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JCBoston11
02-25-2008, 10:42 PM
I'm from upstate ny, so I would gladly like to see Hillary leave the senate and give her seat up to a real new yorker like RFK Jr or Bloomberg.

If she has a humiliating defeat against Obama, her lifelong goal will be crushed and she will lose her purpose as a senator. After all, she wanted to be a senator to serve as a stepping stool to the presidency. She has no desire to lead, if she wanted to lead, she would have run for governor. Senators by nature, being 1 out of 100, are followers. One senator can only accomplish so little.

I'm really not sure what she will do after 2008, there are only so many more votes for Iraq that she can make. She hasn't been any where close to the leadership of kennedy, etc.

I'm guessing she is hoping for a cabinet post in the future, or maybe another run in 2012, hah.

Smurf-Herder
02-26-2008, 12:10 AM
I've heard a Supreme Court nomination could be a possibility.

Moby
02-26-2008, 01:02 AM
This is her only run. She either gets it or she doesn't. Even if America would allow a woman to be President by 2012 we've vilified Hillary so much that people couldn't possibly accept her at a later date.

It would have to be a different woman.

JCBoston11
02-26-2008, 09:39 PM
I've heard a Supreme Court nomination could be a possibility.

I respect Hillary as a person who has high ambitions, but I also believe that her scorched earth strategy has hurt her from being an effective American leader. I would like to see her earn a leadership role as a governor, etc. but I don't want to give her something because she deserves it because she is Bill Clinton's wife.

The SC is criticized enough and it would lose more credibility if she was on the bench. Half of the country would never see the judgements but would see Her political will shoved down the country. We cannot let our govt fall apart.

You can't be in the spotlight forever and Americans like their presidents, and they like them more when they leave office. I think its time for Hillary to leave the spotlight and let some of the other woman governors carry the torch.

Jesse Jackson brought Black-Americans to the front of the Democratic party, and now Obama has pushed through. In 4 or 8 years, a Female will be the Democratic or the Republican nominee. Remember, most presidents have served as Governors or VP's.

MarcusT3355
02-26-2008, 11:23 PM
I'm for Obama. But with that said, why is Hillary a bad senator? If she loses the nomination, she seems well versed in the issues. She's still a great debater, and I'm sure is probably pretty good at arguing the ends and outs of bills and policies. One of the reasons I think she would make a horrible president is why I think she's a good senator. Why would she leave it?

JCBoston11
02-26-2008, 11:42 PM
I'm for Obama. But with that said, why is Hillary a bad senator? If she loses the nomination, she seems well versed in the issues. She's still a great debater, and I'm sure is probably pretty good at arguing the ends and outs of bills and policies. One of the reasons I think she would make a horrible president is why I think she's a good senator. Why would she leave it?

She used the Senate to get to the presidency. I don't think she could handle remaining in the senate if Obama wins in November. Also, I think New Yorkers like myself will grow tired of her ambition and divisiveness. I would like to see Bloomberg or RFK Jr take her seat.

The senate is a great place to spin your tires and the lifers enjoy their easy life with light responsibility. If Hillary really wants to change the world, she needs to get out of the senate and be like Al Gore. She really has to get out of washington, be her own person, and take on the issues.

Smurf-Herder
02-27-2008, 01:38 AM
Well, I think I've now heard the ultimate concerning Hillary.

When she was a 27 year old lawyer in 1975, she had a case where she basically accused a 12 year old rape victim of asking to be raped by her attacker; reducing the girl to tears on the stand.

"…In May 1975, Washington County prosecutor Mahlon Gibson called Rodham, who had taken over the law clinic months earlier, to tell her she’d been appointed to represent a hard-drinking factory worker named Thomas Alfred Taylor, who had requested a female attorney.

In her 2003 autobiography “Living History,” Clinton writes that she initially balked at the assignment, but eventually secured a lenient plea deal for Taylor after a New York-based forensics expert she hired “cast doubt on the evidentiary value of semen and blood samples collected by the sheriff’s office.”

However, that account leaves out a significant aspect of her defense strategy - attempting to impugn the credibility of the victim, according to aNewsday examination of court and investigative files and interviews with witnesses, law enforcement officials and the victim.

Rodham, records show, questioned the sixth grader’s honesty and claimed she had made false accusations in the past. She implied that the girl often fantasized and sought out “older men” like Taylor, according to a July 1975 affidavit signed “Hillary D. Rodham” in compact cursive…."

"She was vigorously advocating for her client. What she did was appropriate," said Andrew Schepard, director of Hofstra Law School's Center for Children, Families and the Law. "He was lucky to have her as a lawyer ... In terms of what's good for the little girl? It would have been hell on the victim. But that wasn't Hillary's problem."

The victim, now 46, told Newsday that she was raped by Taylor, denied that she wanted any relationship with him and blamed him for contributing to three decades of severe depression and other personal problems.

"It's not true, I never sought out older men - I was raped," the woman said in an interview in the fall. Newsday is withholding her name as the victim of a sex crime."

So much for her long record of being a great defender of women's rights. (Not even touching her being an enabler for Bill's "bimbo erruptions"). All she cares about is doing whatever she has to, to win, to be on top, and to gain more power.

bigfootzx
02-27-2008, 03:32 AM
Well, I think I've now heard the ultimate concerning Hillary.

When she was a 27 year old lawyer in 1975, she had a case where she basically accused a 12 year old rape victim of asking to be raped by her attacker; reducing the girl to tears on the stand.

"…In May 1975, Washington County prosecutor Mahlon Gibson called Rodham, who had taken over the law clinic months earlier, to tell her she’d been appointed to represent a hard-drinking factory worker named Thomas Alfred Taylor, who had requested a female attorney.

In her 2003 autobiography “Living History,” Clinton writes that she initially balked at the assignment, but eventually secured a lenient plea deal for Taylor after a New York-based forensics expert she hired “cast doubt on the evidentiary value of semen and blood samples collected by the sheriff’s office.”

However, that account leaves out a significant aspect of her defense strategy - attempting to impugn the credibility of the victim, according to aNewsday examination of court and investigative files and interviews with witnesses, law enforcement officials and the victim.

Rodham, records show, questioned the sixth grader’s honesty and claimed she had made false accusations in the past. She implied that the girl often fantasized and sought out “older men” like Taylor, according to a July 1975 affidavit signed “Hillary D. Rodham” in compact cursive…."

"She was vigorously advocating for her client. What she did was appropriate," said Andrew Schepard, director of Hofstra Law School's Center for Children, Families and the Law. "He was lucky to have her as a lawyer ... In terms of what's good for the little girl? It would have been hell on the victim. But that wasn't Hillary's problem."

The victim, now 46, told Newsday that she was raped by Taylor, denied that she wanted any relationship with him and blamed him for contributing to three decades of severe depression and other personal problems.

"It's not true, I never sought out older men - I was raped," the woman said in an interview in the fall. Newsday is withholding her name as the victim of a sex crime."

So much for her long record of being a great defender of women's rights. (Not even touching her being an enabler for Bill's "bimbo erruptions"). All she cares about is doing whatever she has to, to win, to be on top, and to gain more power.

No wonder Bill cheats on the heartless bitch. Most likely Hillary will return to the Senate. tWith all the sleazy attacks her people are stirring up on Obama, she does not deserve a cabinet level job for allowing such behavior, so Clintonesque

What was in the missing files.....Whitewatergate ?
July 1993 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/whitewater/timeline.htm
Foster is found dead in a Washington area park. Police rule the death a suicide. Federal investigators are not allowed access to Foster's office immediately after the discovery, but White House aides enter Foster's office shortly after his death, giving rise to speculation that files were removed from his office.

JCBoston11
03-01-2008, 09:14 PM
Hillary's flaw is the head versus heart. Obama has been able to tap into the heart of the Democratic party and the future. Hillary can't win on Experience alone, if that was the case then Dodd, Biden, or Richardson would be the nominee. Edwards went for the heart as well, but he was outdone by Obama.

Hillary can't win on her dubious experience mantra. She won NH because she showed her heart, but she hasn't been able to show that "uniter" and compassion since.

She came close and if it wasn't for Obama, she would have been the nominee, but so many Democrats dislike her for the Iraq vote, Nafta, etc. that it was and is not likely that should could win the general election.

Obama is right when he says this country needs a Uniter not a Divider. Americans don't like divisiveness in general. Bush may seem divisive, but that is his policies, his personality won him over gore and kerry.

Smurf-Herder
03-01-2008, 10:42 PM
No wonder Bill cheats on the heartless bitch. Most likely Hillary will return to the Senate. tWith all the sleazy attacks her people are stirring up on Obama, she does not deserve a cabinet level job for allowing such behavior, so Clintonesque

What was in the missing files.....Whitewatergate ?
July 1993 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/whitewater/timeline.htm
Foster is found dead in a Washington area park. Police rule the death a suicide. Federal investigators are not allowed access to Foster's office immediately after the discovery, but White House aides enter Foster's office shortly after his death, giving rise to speculation that files were removed from his office.

Weird stuff on the Foster death I heard, years ago. Rumors of carpet fibers and blonde pubic hair in his underwear. The gun still being in his hand - even though the gun should have been released when he fired it, in a reflex action. No blood found on the grass near his body. A white van seen at the site an hour before the body was found. Blurred and missing photos of the crime scene. And mysterious yearly one-day trips to Zurich, Switzerland.

That's just what I remember of stories going around back then.

bigfootzx
03-02-2008, 01:51 AM
Weird stuff on the Foster death I heard, years ago. Rumors of carpet fibers and blonde pubic hair in his underwear. The gun still being in his hand - even though the gun should have been released when he fired it, in a reflex action. No blood found on the grass near his body. A white van seen at the site an hour before the body was found. Blurred and missing photos of the crime scene. And mysterious yearly one-day trips to Zurich, Switzerland.

That's just what I remember of stories going around back then.

I remember reading something similar, not too much of an investigation afterthefact. Mysterious suicide and no followup on the lack of evidence at the crime scene. Somebody got away with it!

Smurf-Herder
03-02-2008, 02:22 AM
Remember Ron Brown?

He was scheduled to be giving testimony on Clinton financial matters before he died.

They suppressed the investigation into his plane crash and the autopsy.

Three military pathologists and one forensic photographer's careers were ruined after publicly discussing what looked like a bullet wound through the top of his skull. And the maintenance chief responsible for the navigation system of the airport where Brown's plane was supposed to land committed suicide.

Jesse Jackson was pushing for a full investigation; then just dropped it.

bigfootzx
03-02-2008, 02:43 AM
Hillary has some loyal supporters covering up whitewater. Ron Browns death should be re-investigated. I'm surprised Jeese Jackson let it go too, he never backs down without a good reason.

Both Clinton's have checkered pasts. People continue to point out Bush's poor performance and that's fine by me, but I like to remind people when they blame Bush and the problem leads back to Clinton or another president too, people like to forget or even pretend it never happened that way.

This website is a good refresher of Bill Clinton's legacy and one more reason why Hillary is not a good choice for America.
http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist/clinton-scandals.html

Smurf-Herder
03-02-2008, 02:52 AM
Hillary has some loyal supporters covering up whitewater. Ron Browns death should be re-investigated. I'm surprised Jeese Jackson let it go too, he never backs down without a good reason.

Both Clinton's have checkered pasts. People continue to point out Bush's poor performance and that's fine by me, but I like to remind people when they blame Bush and the problem leads back to Clinton or another president too, people like to forget or even pretend it never happened that way.

This website is a good refresher of Bill Clinton's legacy and one more reason why Hillary is not a good choice for America.
http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist/clinton-scandals.html

I've been attacked repeatedly for pointing that out here.

LogicallyYours
03-02-2008, 07:45 AM
Let me ask all you "Clinton-are-murderers" a question.

If they were responsible for all the above babble...how were they not able to make a stained blue dress and a ditzy intern go away?

Kanadesaga
03-02-2008, 10:29 AM
Let us be real if she doesn't get the nomination in 2008, she will be running for the Senate in 2012, if not the Presidency again. She won't be able to run for both.

Smurf-Herder
03-02-2008, 11:42 AM
Let me ask all you "Clinton-are-murderers" a question.

If they were responsible for all the above babble...how were they not able to make a stained blue dress and a ditzy intern go away?

She was the preferred distraction from the serious issues. The only one the Republicans dared push; aside from Whitewater. They thought they could accomplish their goal without venturing into "dangerous" territory.

But the point is, serious investigation into these (and other) issues, mentioned in the other posts, was prevented by the administration - and their "ringer" of Planet Janet running the justice department.

Smurf-Herder
03-02-2008, 11:48 AM
Let us be real if she doesn't get the nomination in 2008, she will be running for the Senate in 2012, if not the Presidency again. She won't be able to run for both.

Could she possibly get a deal on VP?

Or work to try and get Obama impeached? Maybe just make him look bad enough not to get re-elected.

Who knows what her and Bill could try to do, with all their friends and associates in various places. It all depends on if the PC Monster they helped create in the 90s feels it has outgrown them.

JCBoston11
03-02-2008, 02:32 PM
Yeah, Obama should pick a VP who isn't so ambitious that they want to get rid of him to be president, kinda like LBJ or Teddy Roosevelt.

Here are 2 NY times articles about Hillary vs. Obama

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/us/politics/02memo.html?ref=politics

Mining the Gender Gap for Answers

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/01/us/politics/01press.html?ref=politics

On the Press Bus, Some Questions Over Favoritism

The Democratic party is comprised of 55% women and 10% African-American

If all women voted for Hillary, she would be the nominee, but about Half of the Democratic women voted for Obama. So to blame Hillary's loss on men is completely dubious. While many men might not want to vote for a woman based on personal bias, I think in general it is difficult for any one person to get a nomination.

Remember most Presidents have been governors with strong regional support. Hillary rid the coat-tails of her husband and never had that direct connection to voters. The connection was always through Bill.

Obama is also a special candidate who galvanized the Change mantra that voters crave.

As for the Media bias, Obama has won 11 primaries in a row. Before Iowa, Hillary was far ahead in the polls and the media ate it up. The media is also driven by the next Big Story, and after covering Hillary for 20 years, the media and much of America may be sick of her, and there was always an opening for anyone to create a new story, instead of rehashing the 1990's.

LogicallyYours
03-02-2008, 03:01 PM
She was the preferred distraction from the serious issues. The only one the Republicans dared push; aside from Whitewater. They thought they could accomplish their goal without venturing into "dangerous" territory.

But the point is, serious investigation into these (and other) issues, mentioned in the other posts, was prevented by the administration - and their "ringer" of Planet Janet running the justice department.

Really, please provide evidence to support you position.

Smurf-Herder
03-02-2008, 04:07 PM
Really, please provide evidence to support you position.


It's my opinion.

Any evidence concerning Clinton was out there for everyone to see in the news, all throughout the 90s. More scandals than I've ever seen.

Travelgate

Chinagate

Magical billing records

Cattle futures trading windfall

The Lippo Group

Illegal Campaign contributions from Chinese sources

A couple dozen contributors in prison, with more having fled the country


I believe I already went through all this a few months ago in another post; and it just got brushed off. If you want to vote for the "Power-whore" be my guest. But I still believe the Clintons are in the back pocket of the Chinese - after the recent illegal campaign contribution mess with Hillary.

JCBoston11
03-02-2008, 04:15 PM
In all fairness to the Clinton Admin, there were prominent scandals in the REagand and Dubya administrations. Sadly, or maybe realistically, no administration is ever capable of being completely clean and free of scandal. There are just way to many possibilities for corruption and ethics violation whether intentional or unintended, there are always conflicts of interests and profiteering, cronyism.

In the spirit of democracy and capitalism, individuals will always push the ethical limits in order to gain advantage. It all comes down to how many people get hurt in the end.

Smurf-Herder
03-02-2008, 04:29 PM
I take the Chinese connection thing a lot more seriously than any standard domestic scandal. And I don't recall as many people mysteriously dying in any other previous administration.

All I'm saying is, if Hillary gets the nomination all this has to be taken into account.

bigfootzx
03-03-2008, 03:40 AM
I've been attacked repeatedly for pointing that out here.

LOL, that does not suprise me, some of the members like to pretend the Dems never violated the law, the publics trust and the dems never went to war either. See no evil is for die hard loyalists.

I will point out flaws in both sides because I'm man enough to admit it when a politician I like is wrong. Everyone needs to be reminded that both parties have corrupt practices and they make mistakes now and then.

bigfootzx
03-03-2008, 03:49 AM
Let me ask all you "Clinton-are-murderers" a question.

If they were responsible for all the above babble...how were they not able to make a stained blue dress and a ditzy intern go away?

Kind of hard to do with Linda Trippe make acusations. If it was a suicide, why shut down the investigation and what did the whitehouse travel aids remove?? No one ever said it had to be the Clintons who put the wheels in motion. There are loyal do gooders who could make the phone calls and setup a black bag op with contractors. fyi, it is not babble but in fact unanswered questions that were buried but not forgotten.