View Full Version : The end in sight

LadyMod at scam.com
02-24-2008, 10:13 AM
March 4th will spell the end of Clinton's campaign. At least, it appears that will be the case after reading this article.

Somber Clinton Soldiers On as the Horizon Darkens (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/us/politics/24mood.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin)

Published: February 24, 2008

To her longtime friends, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton sounds unusually philosophical on the phone these days. She rarely uses phrases like “when I’m president” anymore. Somber at times, determined at others, she talks to aides and confidants about the importance of focusing on a good day’s work. No drapes are being measured in her mind’s eye, they say.

And Mrs. Clinton has begun thanking some of her major supporters for helping her run for the Democratic presidential nomination.

“When this is all over, I’m really looking forward to seeing you,” she told one of those supporters by phone the other day.

Mrs. Clinton has not given up, in her head or her heart, her quest to return to the White House, advisers say. But as resolute as she is, she no longer exudes the supreme confidence that was her trademark before the first defeat, in Iowa in January. And then there were more humbling blows, aides say: replacing her campaign manager on Feb. 10, then losing the Wisconsin primary and her hold on the women’s vote there last Tuesday.

If she is not temperamentally suited to reckon with the possibility of losing quite yet, advisers say, she is also a cold, hard realist about politics — at some point, she is known to say, someone will win and someone will not.

“She has a real military discipline that, now that times are tough, has really kicked into gear,” said Judith Hope, a friend and informal adviser to Mrs. Clinton, and a former chairwoman of the New York State Democratic Party. “When she’s on the road and someone has a negative news story, she says, ‘I don’t want to hear it; I don’t need to hear it.’ I think she wants to protect herself from that and stay focused.

“That said, she knows that there will be an end,” Ms. Hope said. “She is a very smart woman.”

Over take-out meals and late-night drinks, some regrets and recriminations have set in, and top aides have begun to face up to the campaign’s possible end after the Texas and Ohio primaries on March 4. Engaging in hindsight, several advisers have now concluded that they were not smart to use former President Bill Clinton as much as they did, that “his presence, aura and legacy caused national fatigue with the Clintons,” in the words of one senior adviser who spoke on condition of anonymity to assess the campaign candidly.

The campaign’s chief strategist, Mark Penn, and its communications director, Howard Wolfson, have expressed frustration with the difficulty of “running against a phenomenon” in Senator Barack Obama; their attacks have not stopped Mr. Obama from winning the last 11 contests. Some aides said Mr. Penn and the former campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, had conceived and executed a terribly flawed campaign, something Ms. Solis Doyle disputes. Both she and Mr. Penn have been especially criticized as not planning a political strategy to compete in the primaries after Feb. 5.

“I do believe we built a good organization — 700 people, $100 million, nationwide offices, and a strong base of support and endorsements that helped us win big states like California and New Jersey,” Ms. Solis Doyle said in an interview. “Every time people have written us off, like after Iowa, we’ve come back.”

There is a widespread feeling among donors and some advisers, though, that a comeback this time may be improbable. Her advisers said internal polls showed a very tough race to win the Texas primary — a contest that no less than Mr. Clinton has said is a “must win.” And while advisers are drawing some hope from Mrs. Clinton’s indefatigable nature, some are burning out.

Morale is low. After 13 months of dawn-to-dark seven-day weeks, the staff is exhausted. Some have taken to going home early — 9 p.m. — turning off their BlackBerrys, and polishing off bottles of wine, several senior staff members said.

Some advisers have been heard yelling at close friends and colleagues. In a much-reported incident, Mr. Penn and the campaign advertising chief, Mandy Grunwald, had a screaming match over strategy recently that prompted another senior aide, Guy Cecil, to leave the room. “I have work to do — you’re acting like kids,” Mr. Cecil said, according to three people in the room.

Others have taken several days off, despite it being crunch time. Some have grown depressed, be it over Mr. Obama’s momentum, the attacks on the campaign’s management from outside critics or their view that the news media has been much rougher on Mrs. Clinton than on Mr. Obama.

And some of her major fund-raisers have begun playing down their roles, asking reporters to refer to them simply as “donors,” to try to rein in their image as unfailingly loyal to the Clintons.

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02-24-2008, 11:30 AM
I fear the power-whore is deparate; and will do a major slime campaign, or something else as dastardly, to not lose this.

She must be throwing books and screaming like a banshee.

02-24-2008, 12:04 PM
I would not count her out. Ohio, Texas and PA are still out there. Michigan and Florida can still play a role.

02-24-2008, 12:11 PM
I'm not counting her out. But I think more and more people are seeing through her pandering. And although I'm not sure what Obama will actually do if he gets elected (compared to what he says now), I know Hillary has Big Brother ideas that a lot of people don't like.

It Takes a Village .........

Little Red Dog
02-24-2008, 07:36 PM
Rezko's trial begins March 3. Clinton had nothing to do with that, although I'm sure someone will try to pin it on her.

Rezko is accused of shaking down companies who were seeking IL state business. And he couldn't have been closer to Obama if they'd been caught french-kissing. St. Obama won't be able to vote "Present" on this one to weasel his way out of the record.

However, I'm sure that won't daunt any of the Obamafans. I've noticed a decided similarity to the Bushies. Just substitute "Obama" for "President George W. Bush" and you've got the Obama version of one of Frankg's posts.

Little Red Dog
02-24-2008, 08:13 PM
I'm not counting her out. But I think more and more people are seeing through her pandering. And although I'm not sure what Obama will actually do if he gets elected (compared to what he says now), I know Hillary has Big Brother ideas that a lot of people don't like.

It Takes a Village .........

More and more people are seeing through Obama's pandering. He had no problem accepting contributions from lobbyists when he was running for State Senator. Including $1,000 from the Professional Independent Insurance Agents PAC in June 2003, and $1,000 from the Illinois Insurance PAC in December 2003 - while the Health Care Justice Act was wending its way through the Illinois General Assembly. Obama also collected money from the insurance industry and its lobbyists for his successful US Senate campaign in 2004.

He also took $160,000 from Excelon Corp., one of the largest operators of nuclear power plants. As Junior Senator from Illinois, Barak Obama pushed a bill to require nuclear power plants to disclose any leaks. But then he helped to water down the same bill when nuclear-industry executives (see donor Excelon Corp above), nuclear regulators and Senate Republicans objected. The bill never passed.

And of course, we can't mention the combined $170,000 from Goldman Sachs and Citigroup. Or the $7,000 from the law firm Akerman Senterfitt, which says on its web site "In today's business climate, we know it's important to represent a client's interests at all levels of government. ...We share with our clients the benefits of relationships these professionals have worked hard to develop." Yes. I'm sure they do.

None of this would be all that noteworthy - except that we're talking about a candidate who presents himself as being pure and above the fray. When that is clearly NOT the case.

And nobody's even gotten around to asking about the anti-gay, anti-semitic pastor of Obama's church. Or Obama's refusal to simply vote "No" on a bill that would try 15 year olds as adults in the State of IL (a bill that, in IL would largely affect young, black males), preferring to again dodge it with "Present" because that was a more politically expedient choice. Or "No" on the bill that would have given gay partners spousal rights if one partner died. Or his continued "Yes" vote on the Patriot Act and Iraq War funding - with all the pork contained therein. And I bet no one is going to call him on the fact that, while he is loudly blasting Clinton on NAFTA, he's never voted to repeal it. In fact, he's specifically said he WOULDN"T repeal NAFTA, because it would lose too many American jobs.

I began as an "undecided". I got increasingly tired of having Barack Obama hype shoved down my throat. I became equally tired of the rising tsunami of Hillary-Hate. I looked for the truth. And I found truth and hypocrisy.

He probably will get the nomination. But I have changed from my earlier position, when I said I would support whoever the Democratic nominee was. I will not be voting for Obama in the general election. We already have one fraud in the White House (hey! remember how Bush was going to bring change and unity to America, too?). I'm not going to be a part of putting another one in.

Cat slave
02-25-2008, 12:00 AM
She has lost control of her "village" and I sure dont want to see a "toofer"...
her and her co prez would be really ugly. I still dont think I can bring myself
to vote in this election....I cant hold my nose tight enough!:banghead:

02-25-2008, 12:03 AM
I fear the power-whore is deparate; and will do a major slime campaign, or something else as dastardly, to not lose this.

She must be throwing books and screaming like a banshee.

That was funny!

02-25-2008, 06:47 AM
That was funny!

That was her response during Bill's term, when somebody didn't agree with her, or told her she couldn't do what she wanted. And when away from cameras, she has a mouth that would make a drunken sailor blush.