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Moby
02-20-2008, 09:24 AM
Addition and subtraction will soon be called "Mathematical Theory" since these crazy people don't understand that spending $400,000,000,000 more then we bring in through tax revenue is actually a positive and not a negative.

http://blogs.tampabay.com/schools/2008/02/and-the-decisio.html?cid=103069652

February 19, 2008
And the decision is ...
Evolution officially is a "scientific theory" in Florida's curriculum.

The State Board of Education narrowly adopted new science standards with the added language, with some members saying the decision will leave the idea open to questions by students, while others contended the wording is a clear attempt by creationists to water down science instruction.

The vote was 4-3, with Chairman T. Willard Fair and members Linda Taylor, Phoebe Raulerson and Kathleen Shanahan in support.

"Do I believe in the theory of evolution? Absolutely," Shanahan said. "But I also believe there's more to explore."

Members Roberto Martinez and Akshay Desai voted no because they backed the proposed standards as written, while Donna Callaway was opposed because she wanted the board to go even further toward "academic freedom."

Said Martinez: "We're watering down the best possible standards we could have to appease a certain segment of society."

What’s next is unclear.

Both sides have threatened lawsuits. And at least three lawmakers - Rep. Marti Coley, R-Marianna, Rep. Dean Cannon, R-Winter Park and Sen. Stephen Wise, R-Jacksonville - have said they may file legislation if the board approves the proposed standards without significant changes.

Tuesday’s vote followed weeks of mounting drama. The proposed new standards were unveiled in October. But it wasn’t until late November, when the Florida Baptist Witness published comments from board member Donna Callaway, that the debate began in earnest. Callaway told the Jacksonville-based newspaper that she could not vote in favor of the proposed standards because evolution "should not be taught to the exclusion of other theories of origin of life."

From that point on, tension escalated. More than a dozen North Florida school boards filed resolutions in opposition, with some saying they wanted evolution taught as a "theory" and others saying they wanted inclusion of faith-based theories such as creationism or intelligent design. David C. Gibbs III, the lawyer who represented Terri Schiavo’s parents and siblings, also jumped into the fray, arguing that the state’s position on evolution was so dogmatic, it crossed the line between science and faith.

On the other side, scientists rallied. Among the organizations that signalled support: the National Academy of Sciences, the National Center for Science Education, the American Institute for Biological Sciences, the Florida Academy of Sciences and the Florida Citizens for Science.

State education officials said their aim was to create world-class science standards.

The previous standards, written in 1996, didn’t mention the word "evolution" and were slammed by scientists as vague and shallow. Their reputation hit rock-bottom in 2005, when the Fordham Institute, a respected national think tank, gave them an F, in part for giving short shrift to evolution "in response to religious and political pressures."

"A number of states have resisted this madness in their science standards but too many are fudging or obfuscating the entire basis on which biology rests," said the report, which was chiefly authored by biologist Paul Gross, former head of the Marine Biological Laboratory at Woods Hole, Mass., and a former provost at the University of Virginia. (Gross told the St. Petersburg Times in November that the proposed new standards were "an excellent change.")

Also driving the state: The poor showing of Florida students on state and national science tests. An economy increasingly driven by high-tech, science-based industries. And the need for better, basic science literacy in a state where pressing issues - from hurricanes to global warming to wetlands destruction - require an understanding of natural systems and how they work.

The Department of Education left the heavy lifting for writing the standards to a 68-member committee dominated by scientists and science teachers. The committee dubbed evolution one of a handful of "big ideas" that students must grasp to be well grounded in good science. And in the draft standards, it described evolution as "the fundamental concept underlying all of biology" and one "supported by multiple forms of scientific evidence."

In a letter to the board last week, 40 members of the committee wrote, "There is no longer any valid scientific criticism of the theory of evolution."

Conservative Christians have led the opposition. But they have public opinion on their side. A St. Petersburg Times poll released last week found 22 percent of registered voters statewide wanted public schools to teach only evolution, while 50 percent wanted only creationism or intelligent design to be taught.

In a last-ditch attempt at compromise, Department of Education officials floated a proposed wording change Friday, offering to include the words "scientific theory" wherever appropriate in the standards, including in the evolution language. But representatives of both sides stuck to their guns.

disrupter
02-20-2008, 10:52 AM
Evolution, unlike the plastic icons of religion is a working developing ALIVE growing, idea.

I don't have a problem calling it a theory.

It is full of questions as to exactly how it did happen.
All the evidence points to something evolutionary/progressive happening in the story of life on Earth.

What it isn't is superstitious dogma & mythology of 'Creationism' & ID which have no basis in science.
They should be saved for classes in voodoo, ancient Greek myths & other nonsense.

If we were a bit more open to math as a 'theory' we might, possibly come up with some very interesting theoretical stuff,
or we might just end up barking up the wrong tree. just my thought.
my odious, self-important thoughts.

Kinky Jones
02-20-2008, 02:36 PM
sending your kids to a public school is increasing your chances of having stupid kids.

they are basically idiot factories at this point teaching people to be pencil pushing slaves who will be over worked and underpaid and miserable their whole lives, teach your kids at home or at least make sure you watch what they are being taught

LogicallyYours
02-20-2008, 07:30 PM
I find it telling that they spent about a full year coming up with real "world class" standards....and then Friday night before the public hearing, they inserted language to soften the standards.

Typical dishonest play by creationist/id backers.

Quote clipped from the Pandas Thumb:

“Evolution is just another one of Satan’s lies to get people to believe there is no God,” Laura Lopez, a mother of three from West Palm Beach who opposes the proposed new standards, told my colleague Marc Freeman."

Little Red Dog
02-20-2008, 08:47 PM
Here's the really scary part:

...But they have public opinion on their side. A St. Petersburg Times poll released last week found 22 percent of registered voters statewide wanted public schools to teach only evolution, while 50 percent wanted only creationism or intelligent design to be taught.

50%????? WTF???

Moby
02-21-2008, 12:32 AM
50%????? WTF???
When you think of Florida you might think of the sunny beaches filled with hot Cuban babes or the retirement communities that cover portions of the state.

Most of the state is filled with drugs, crime, low education, low median incomes and basically the stupidest most inbred rednecks that you will find any where in this great nation.

They love Jeb Bush in that state.

Think about it.

disrupter
02-21-2008, 11:07 AM
You aren't implying that Florida is the sleaze capitol of America are you?

Cat slave
02-21-2008, 12:25 PM
sending your kids to a public school is increasing your chances of having stupid kids.

they are basically idiot factories at this point teaching people to be pencil pushing slaves who will be over worked and underpaid and miserable their whole lives, teach your kids at home or at least make sure you watch what they are being taught

Youre right. The focus of the public education system shifted decades ago
when it became a major tool in social engineering, busing, racial quotas, and
everyone majored in "feeling good about themselves", not actually learning
basic skills to equip them to pursue higher education. Maybe just getting by
would be good! Even that became way down the list after all the other
warm and fuzzy agendas. Now we pay!

disrupter
02-21-2008, 12:30 PM
I'm not sure i would agree with everything Kitty might say about it,
but i do think we need to have a harder edge when it comes to our public education system.

Shrill parents & politicians from the right & left need to have a much more hands off policy.

Kids can easily turn into little animals unless they are coerced & co-opted by some kind of social organization.

A little bit of tyranny, if it gets some brains in to your kids heads, is well worth it.
They may not come out of it angels, or limp dishrags, but at least they will have some respect for the social order and ability to navigate it.

kres24GT
02-21-2008, 12:31 PM
When you leave it to the government to instruct your children you are going to get this kind of crap.

kres24GT
02-21-2008, 12:35 PM
sending your kids to a public school is increasing your chances of having stupid kids.

they are basically idiot factories at this point teaching people to be pencil pushing slaves who will be over worked and underpaid and miserable their whole lives, teach your kids at home or at least make sure you watch what they are being taught


Tough for a lot of parents to hear this and believe it. They deluding themselves into believing their kids are getting a great education, because they want to beleive they are good parents. Public schools are like congressmen, "everyone's sucks but mine."

The government has a vested interest in keeping your child stupid an d ignorant. Not to mention as here in FL the majority decides what your kids learn. If 51% of people in your area decide 2+2=5, then that is what your kid will learn.

Here in GA Clayton County schools are about to lose their accreditation. The parents are up in arms, not becuase their kids are getting a shit education, but becuase the school is no longer going to be accredited. They refuse to beleive they send their kids to bad schools.