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JoannBlue
02-19-2008, 02:22 PM
(Feb. 19) – White males are committing suicide in record numbers the government has learned, and they are not sure why. The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said that an increase in suicides among white males has increased about 20% in the last several years and this could effect the country as a whole.

Shannon Neal can instantly tell you the best night of her life: Tuesday, Dec. 23, 2003, the Hinsdale Academy debutante ball. Her father, Steven Neal, a 54-year-old political columnist for The Chicago Sun-Times, was in his tux, white gloves and tie. “My dad walked me down and took a little bow,” she said, and then the two of them goofed it up on the dance floor as they laughed and laughed.

A few weeks later, Mr. Neal parked his car in his garage, turned on the motor and waited until carbon monoxide filled the enclosed space and took his breath, and his life, away.

Later, his wife, Susan, would recall that he had just finished a new book, his seventh, and that “it took a lot out of him.” His medication was also taking a toll, putting him in the hospital overnight with worries about his heart.

Still, those who knew him were blindsided. “If I had just 30 seconds with him now,” Ms. Neal said of her father, “I would want all these answers.”

Mr. Neal is part of an unusually large increase in suicides among middle-aged Americans in recent years. Just why thousands of men and women have crossed the line between enduring life’s burdens and surrendering to them is a painful question for their loved ones. But for officials, it is a surprising and baffling public health mystery.

A new five-year analysis of the nation’s death rates recently released by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that the suicide rate among 45-to-54-year-olds increased nearly 20 percent from 1999 to 2004, the latest year studied, far outpacing changes in nearly every other age group. (All figures are adjusted for population.)

For women 45 to 54, the rate leapt 31 percent. “That is certainly a break from trends of the past,” said Ann Haas, the research director of the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention.

By contrast, the suicide rate for 15-to-19-year-olds increased less than 2 percent during that five-year period — and decreased among people 65 and older.

The question is why. What happened in 1999 that caused the suicide rate to suddenly rise primarily for those in midlife? For health experts, it is like discovering the wreckage of a plane crash without finding the black box that recorded flight data just before the aircraft went down.

Experts say that the poignancy of a young death and higher suicide rates among the very old in the past have drawn the vast majority of news attention and prevention resources. For example, $82 million was devoted to youth suicide prevention programs in 2004, after the 21-year-old son of Senator Gordon H. Smith, Republican of Oregon, killed himself. Suicide in middle age, by comparison, is often seen as coming at the end of a long downhill slide, a problem of alcoholics and addicts, society’s losers.

“There’s a social-bias issue here,” said Dr. Eric C. Caine, co-director at the Center for the Study of Prevention of Suicide at the University of Rochester Medical Center, explaining why suicide in the middle years of life had not been extensively studied before.

There is a “national support system for those under 19, and those 65 and older,” Dr. Caine added, but not for people in between, even though “the bulk of the burden from suicide is in the middle years of life.”

Of the more than 32,000 people who committed suicide in 2004, 14,607 were 40 to 64 years old (6,906 of those were 45 to 54); 5,198 were over 65; 2,434 were under 21 years old.

Complicating any analysis is the nature of suicide itself. It cannot be diagnosed through a simple X-ray or blood test. Official statistics include the method of suicide — a gun, for instance, or a drug overdose — but they do not say whether the victim was an addict or a first-time drug user. And although an unusual event might cause the suicide rate to spike, like in Thailand after Asia’s economic collapse in 1997, suicide much more frequently punctuates a long series of troubles — mental illness, substance abuse, unemployment, failed romances.

Without a “psychological autopsy” into someone’s mental health, Dr. Caine said, “we’re kind of in the dark.”

The lack of concrete research has given rise to all kinds of theories, including a sudden drop in the use of hormone-replacement therapy by menopausal women after health warnings in 2002, higher rates of depression among baby boomers or a simple statistical fluke.

At the moment, the prime suspect is the skyrocketing use — and abuse — of prescription drugs. During the same five-year period included in the study, there was a staggering increase in the total number of drug overdoses, both intentional and accidental, like the one that recently killed the 28-year-old actor Heath Ledger. Illicit drugs also increase risky behaviors, C.D.C. officials point out, noting that users’ rates of suicide can be 15 to 25 times as great as the general population.

kres24GT
02-19-2008, 02:31 PM
Suicide is an option that not enough people take. A lot of people out there should be dead if we allowed natural selection to take it's course. Many of them are complete wastes of life who would be better off taking a nap in the garage with the car running.

LadyMod at scam.com
02-19-2008, 02:47 PM
Suicide is an option that not enough people take. A lot of people out there should be dead if we allowed natural selection to take it's course. Many of them are complete wastes of life who would be better off taking a nap in the garage with the car running.

Except, to feel that despondent they would have to be able to afford a car and have a garage to commit suicide in and in your perfect world, the poor don't exist.


:D


Lady Mod

kres24GT
02-19-2008, 02:49 PM
Except, to feel that despondent they would have to afford a car and have a garage to commit suicide in and in your perfect world, the poor don't exist.


:D


Lady Mod


Poor exist, just not poor who think they deserve other people's stuff.

Lots of way to kill yourself. I am not talking about poor people per se, I am talking about people who chose to be ignorant lazy pieces of shit.

LadyMod at scam.com
02-19-2008, 03:02 PM
Poor exist, just not poor who think they deserve other people's stuff.

Lots of way to kill yourself. I am not talking about poor people per se, I am talking about people who chose to be ignorant lazy pieces of shit.

I don't think they own cars or garages either. Though I'm sure they could borrow them from mom and dad. Maybe they could make it a family bonding experience????

;)

mwillman
02-19-2008, 03:02 PM
Kres

Who made you GOD?
I am so sick of people who make grand generalizations with no real proof that what they are saying is anything more then their own bullshit.

You think you can decide who gets to live and who doesnt which is what makes everything you say so lacking in reality

kres24GT
02-19-2008, 03:04 PM
Kres

Who made you GOD?
I am so sick of people who make grand generalizations with no real proof that what they are saying is anything more then their own bullshit.

You think you can decide who gets to live and who doesnt which is what makes everything you say so lacking in reality


What generalization did I make? I didn't say I decide who lives and dies. Do you know what suicide is? If I decided it wouldn't be suicide.

mwillman
02-19-2008, 03:07 PM
Suicide is an option that not enough people take. A lot of people out there should be dead if we allowed natural selection to take it's course. Many of them are complete wastes of life who would be better off taking a nap in the garage with the car running.


This is where you make the judgement of who should die and who shouldnt.

You state in no uncertain terms that "alot of people out there should be dead"

And your reason for it is becuase you think they are "complete wastes of life"

kres24GT
02-19-2008, 03:08 PM
This is where you make the judgement of who should die and who shouldnt.

You state in no uncertain terms that "alot of people out there should be dead"

And your reason for it is becuase you think they are "complete wastes of life"


So you don't know what suicide is?

mwillman
02-19-2008, 03:15 PM
Wanting people to kill them selves is just as bad as killing them yourself. ITs all about intention and judgement. You intention is for them to die and your judgement is that they deserve it.

Try all you want but in the end you are just being an evil bastard when you make comments like that.

JoannBlue
02-19-2008, 03:18 PM
These are white middle class males.

kres24GT
02-19-2008, 03:21 PM
Wanting people to kill them selves is just as bad as killing them yourself. ITs all about intention and judgement. You intention is for them to die and your judgement is that they deserve it.

Try all you want but in the end you are just being an evil bastard when you make comments like that.


I don't want people to do drugs, doesn't mean I don't think they should be able to or somehow I should choose who can and cannot do them.

You are completely brainwashed by government. You don't understand the difference between wanting something and forcing people to do it. Under your logic if you don't want to force someone to do something, then you don't beleive in that act. That is simply not true.

Learn the concept of freedom. I think a lot of people out there would best serve society if they were dead. Do I think they should have to die?, no. I wish they would do what is right, and take their own life for the good of society. I offer them a choice.


You are a statist, you beleive in forcing (via police power) to think like you do and do what you think is right. You want to legislate your personal morals an views on everyone else. I beleive in freedom and letting people be free to make choices. We have a fundamental disagreement, arguing the specifics really does no good when we are this far apart. I am a borderline anarchist and you are a borderline (this word is probably not necessary) fascist. We are on opposite ends of the spectrum at the base, makes it difficult to argue these higher levels of debate.

kres24GT
02-19-2008, 03:22 PM
These are white middle class males.


Class and race really aren't a concern, if people want to kill themselves, I say go for it. This country has a huge problem in becoming pussified, if a few of them can take their pussy ass genes out of the pool, it's a win for humanity.

mwillman
02-19-2008, 03:30 PM
Thanks GOD we all wondered what you thought of humanity and now we know.

kres24GT
02-19-2008, 03:36 PM
Thanks GOD we all wondered what you thought of humanity and now we know.


What a humanitarian you are to want to help them with other people's time and money.

asroc
02-19-2008, 03:37 PM
can you please cite the article used joannblue

psikeyhackr
02-19-2008, 04:31 PM
Just to ask a stupid question:

Is there any data on suicide rates around 1900?

Maybe it seems kind of silly but that transition from 19 to 20 after so many decades did seem kind of weird. Yeah it's just an arbitrary number based on arbitrary references and was just another orbit of the planet on the cosmic scale but it still looks strange on a calender or writing a check.

Where is my gun?

psik

Moby
02-19-2008, 04:44 PM
Welcome Joann. It's good to see a new face around here.

Could you please post a link for the article? That's one of things that we do around here. Since there is so much "political commentary" these days instead of real news it's a necessary thing to do.

Bill
02-19-2008, 05:07 PM
She might be referring to a NYT article that came out yesterday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/us/19suicide.html

Mr. Neal is part of an unusually large increase in suicides among middle-aged Americans in recent years. Just why thousands of men and women have crossed the line between enduring life’s burdens and surrendering to them is a painful question for their loved ones. But for officials, it is a surprising and baffling public health mystery.

A new five-year analysis of the nation’s death rates recently released by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that the suicide rate among 45-to-54-year-olds increased nearly 20 percent from 1999 to 2004, the latest year studied, far outpacing changes in nearly every other age group. (All figures are adjusted for population.)


For women 45 to 54, the rate leapt 31 percent. “That is certainly a break from trends of the past,” said Ann Haas, the research director of the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention.

By contrast, the suicide rate for 15-to-19-year-olds increased less than 2 percent during that five-year period — and decreased among people 65 and older.

The question is why. What happened in 1999 that caused the suicide rate to suddenly rise primarily for those in midlife? For health experts, it is like discovering the wreckage of a plane crash without finding the black box that recorded flight data just before the aircraft went down.

disrupter
02-19-2008, 05:13 PM
Could it be that modern societies expectations for males has become so sterile & antiseptic that there is no lust, juice or excitement to keep a person positively motivated?

All [many/most?] of the anti-motivations still exist.

People wonder why western societies can't keep even replacing themselves population wise.
Historically, Anthropologically, children were used/seen as objects of additional labor & were probably sexually & physically abused pretty commonly.
Children become largely a burden & duty & a pretty thin & flimsy joy.

We have such absurd, almost barfingly dull notions of the expectations for everyone in a/our society.
It is like 'why bother'? It is all so scripted & boring.

I am not sure we have to reject our somewhat saccharine notions totally, but let us at least look at them objectively to be better informed about them & perhaps not be quite so stranglingly rigid about them.

No wonder anyone will bother to save the planet,
it is just to dull a prospect to bother,
not worth the effort.

Life?
who could bother?