McCain Says No New Taxes

[Moby]

"Read my lips" :)

Does he really think that we can keep borrowing at this rate? I guess he did just get some advice from daddy Bush over the weekend :)

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h6BGElNdpY2nz-fImarr0qXLqaXgD8US915O0

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican John McCain says there will be no new taxes during his administration if he is elected president.

"No new taxes," the likely GOP presidential nominee said during a taped interview broadcast Sunday.

McCain told ABC's "This Week" that under no circumstances would he increase taxes, and added that he could "see an argument, if our economy continues to deteriorate, for lower interest rates, lower tax rates, and certainly decreasing corporate tax rates," as well as giving people the ability to write off depreciation and eliminating the alternative minimum tax.

McCain was defending his support for an extension of tax cuts sought by President Bush, which McCain voted against. The Arizona senator now says allowing the tax breaks to expire would amount to an unacceptable tax increase.

McCain's "no new taxes" statement marked a turnaround. Last September, he was forced to defend his refusal to sign a no-new tax pledge offered by the conservative Americans for Tax Reform.

"I stand on my record," he said during a televised debate in Durham, N.H. "I don't have to sign pledges."

The leading contender for his party's presidential nomination, McCain blamed out-of-control spending for a lack of enthusiasm among Republican voters.

"Spending restraint is why our base is not energized," he said. "I think it's very important that we send a signal to the American people we're going to stop the earmark pork-barrel spending."

McCain said the $35 billion worth of spending on special projects that Bush signed into law in the last two years amounts to a $1,000 tax credit for every child in America, and would have been better for the economy if spent that way.

McCain also said he was open to the idea of helping homeowners facing foreclosure, provided they were "legitimate borrowers" and not "engaged in speculation."

[kres24GT]

Hopefully he means to cut spending. Slash about 20-30% out of the budget each year until we are down to about 70-80% of what it is now.

Doubtful, but I can dream.

[asroc]

Hopefully he means to cut spending. Slash about 20-30% out of the budget each year until we are down to about 70-80% of what it is now.

so... in one year?

[Moby]

Hopefully he means to cut spending. Slash about 20-30% out of the budget each year until we are down to about 70-80% of what it is now.

Doubtful, but I can dream.
Keep on dreaming

[kres24GT]

Keep on dreaming


I am not naive, I know he won't cut spending,t hat is why I won't vote for him, even though I do like some things about him.

I think the point you keep missing is whether we borrow the money or tax the shit out of ourselves for it, it's not going to last. We have to cut spending, drastically. We have to dump all these programs.

[Cat slave]

.......just words??????????

[mwillman]

I almost agree with you kres.

If we stop spending trillions of dollars invading third world nations we can save a butt load. If we stop giving huge handouts to corporate america we can save tons.

Then we can take some of the money we are spending to make the rich richer and spend it on universal healthcare, education and paying off the debt the republicans keep building.

[Little Red Dog]

No, dude, didn't you listen to McCain? Part of the problem is that corporations are getting enough tax cuts.

Jeeze, at this rate, the only people left paying taxes will be Mom and Pop Middle America.

1,000 years mired in nation building, more tax cuts for the wealthy, more indebtedness to China, a spiraling dollar... You'd need to have your head examined to vote for this guy.

[kres24GT]

I almost agree with you kres.

If we stop spending trillions of dollars invading third world nations we can save a butt load. If we stop giving huge handouts to corporate america we can save tons.

Then we can take some of the money we are spending to make the rich richer and spend it on universal healthcare, education and paying off the debt the republicans keep building.


Stupid, wars, corporate bail outs, social security, free money for artist who can't sell their garbage on the open market, horrible do nothing programs, farm subsidies, I could go on and on. Lots of stuff to cut.

Instead we want to add, more wars, more big government including free healthcare for all.

[kres24GT]

No, dude, didn't you listen to McCain? Part of the problem is that corporations are getting enough tax cuts.

Jeeze, at this rate, the only people left paying taxes will be Mom and Pop Middle America.

1,000 years mired in nation building, more tax cuts for the wealthy, more indebtedness to China, a spiraling dollar... You'd need to have your head examined to vote for this guy.


If you want big government you have to pay for it.

[mwillman]

yes yes, we know Kres you dont want to help anyone and do anything for anyone but yourself and your ilk. We get that.

[kres24GT]

yes yes, we know Kres you dont want to help anyone and do anything for anyone but yourself and your ilk. We get that.


Of course the only way to help people is corrupt and inefficient government programs that are massive failures and basically legal scams.

[mwillman]

Well its either that or rely on people like you and that has been proven to be less then efficient.

Of course you think any government program is a bad idea and that just isnt true.

[kres24GT]

Well its either that or rely on people like you and that has been proven to be less then efficient.

Of course you think any government program is a bad idea and that just isnt true.

If you and I ran a retirement program where we spent all the premiums we collected and then came back to the people and asked them to put more money into it becuase we spent everything they gave us, otherwise they will get nothing back,what do you think would happen?

[mwillman]

Not much really. I know you are a believer in privatization.

But the Health Insurance industry has proven that privatization doesnt always work.Thousands of people die each year becuase insurance companies refuse to pay for needed care. Millions are uninsured becuase the insurance companies are interested in profit not health care.

[kres24GT]

Not much really. I know you are a believer in privatization.

But the Health Insurance industry has proven that privatization doesnt always work.Thousands of people die each year becuase insurance companies refuse to pay for needed care. Millions are uninsured becuase the insurance companies are interested in profit not health care.


We'd go to jail. T

he health care industry isn't privatized, the current problems are becuase of government. More government will lead to more problems.

How many of those thousand died becuase of their own choices? How many of those millions choose not to be insured?

You are free to donate as much of your money as you see fit to help these people by the way.

[mwillman]

hahahaha

You are so lost to reality that I can't even talk with you. You have made government into some kind of anti christ and that means you are making your opinions based on your delusions and as such they are not worth anything.

[kres24GT]

hahahaha

You are so lost to reality that I can't even talk with you. You have made government into some kind of anti christ and that means you are making your opinions based on your delusions and as such they are not worth anything.

Your faith in the politcians is frightening. There is nothing but evidence that big government is a bad thing. There is no evidence to the contrary. I see you will ignore my questions, good call on your part.

[mwillman]

I am not a saying all government is good or bad. You are the one saying its all bad.

My faith in politicians is not blind faith. I realize that many politicians are not out to help the country but that doesnt mean that all politicians are bad.

You are the one making judgements based on broad generalizations, specifically the generalization that all politicians are evil and that all government is bad.

[kres24GT]

I am not a saying all government is good or bad. You are the one saying its all bad.

My faith in politicians is not blind faith. I realize that many politicians are not out to help the country but that doesnt mean that all politicians are bad.

You are the one making judgements based on broad generalizations, specifically the generalization that all politicians are evil and that all government is bad.


It's the way the system is set up and the fundamental basis of the party system. People go to Washington (or even local levels) with wide eyed optimism and good intentions, but they have no power until they play the game the parties have set up. To get power to make a difference you must tow the party line, sell your soul to the corporations and all in all become a corrupt politician.

[Moby]

I think the point you keep missing is whether we borrow the money or tax the shit out of ourselves for it, it's not going to last. We have to cut spending, drastically. We have to dump all these programs.
I agree that we have to cut spending but that's not going to happen.

I do NOT agree that we have to get rid of all these programs. Many of them, yes. All of them no. We are a society and not a bunch of nomads. We need a police force. We need BETTER education. We need an energy grid. There was a time when we needed FEMA. We need controls on health care. We need a military. We need a highway system. We need to explore new methods of energy and technology. Yes, we need the arts.

The problem is that we need to spend more wisely.

If we don't do the things above then we will be nothing but a bunch of small neighborhoods that will simply be taken over and controlled by someone else. We need to go back to protecting ourselves from government instead of expecting government to protect us.

[kres24GT]

I agree that we have to cut spending but that's not going to happen.

I do NOT agree that we have to get rid of all these programs. Many of them, yes. All of them no. We are a society and not a bunch of nomads. We need a police force. We need BETTER education. We need an energy grid. There was a time when we needed FEMA. We need controls on health care. We need a military. We need a highway system. We need to explore new methods of energy and technology. Yes, we need the arts.

The problem is that we need to spend more wisely.

If we don't do the things above then we will be nothing but a bunch of small neighborhoods that will simply be taken over and controlled by someone else. We need to go back to protecting ourselves from government instead of expecting government to protect us.

Sounds like you want to have it both ways, sadly you can't. Government is out of control you must limit its pwoer by reducing its pwoer and keeping it at the lowest levels possible. You are also brainwashed that some things can only be accomplished by government. The reason you think this is government has convinced you its true.

[kres24GT]

Sounds like you want to have it both ways, sadly you can't. Government is out of control you must limit its pwoer by reducing its pwoer and keeping it at the lowest levels possible. You are also brainwashed that some things can only be accomplished by government. The reason you think this is government has convinced you its true.


As for cutting spending, it can happen if we vote for people that will cut it.

[mwillman]

Kres whats your solution? To me it sounds like Anarchy and thats seems really funny to me.

You talk about how we cant trust government then you expect us to trust that people will all do the right thing just becuase.

[kres24GT]

Kres whats your solution? To me it sounds like Anarchy and thats seems really funny to me.

You talk about how we cant trust government then you expect us to trust that people will all do the right thing just becuase.


Limit the power of government at all costs and keep it on the smallest scale possible.

[Moby]

You are also brainwashed that some things can only be accomplished by government. The reason you think this is government has convinced you its true.
Not at all. I've seen some very good things come from government. Of course I've seen far more bad things come from it.

The government has gotten out of control but that doesn't mean we should do away with all programs.

The railroad that crossed this country was built by the government.
The road system connecting our cities was a government project.
Many power plants exist because of government funding.
Education exists (granted in a very failed way) because of government involvement.

Show me society of more then a small handful of people that have survived without any government. Ours is way too big but that doesn't mean it all needs to go.

[playboydojo]

How do we define "big government?" The military is the biggest government program in the world. Our military budget is closing in on $400B which is about half of the world's military spending. As a program, it's so large it's having trouble finding credible threats. As of 2002, it was 2-and-a-half times larger than our nine most potential enemies(Cuba, Iran, Iraq(whoops!), Libya, North Korea, Sudan, Syria, China, Russia). Minus China and Russia and it's 19 times larger than "rogue states."

Considering that our forces beat Iraq's army in 2 weeks (if that?), there's little credible justification for the spending.

That is very, very big government, and I'm against it.

[Moby]

As for cutting spending, it can happen if we vote for people that will cut it.
Who do we vote for Kres? You're always complaining, blaming and calling people names without providing any solutions.

[kres24GT]

Who do we vote for Kres? You're always complaining, blaming and calling people names without providing any solutions.

Depends, usually 3rd party and Libertarian candidates. I certainly will not vote for anyone who will increase the size of government, which is all the Republicans and Democrats.

[Moby]

Depends, usually 3rd party and Libertarian candidates. I certainly will not vote for anyone who will increase the size of government, which is all the Republicans and Democrats.
Why not vote for your puppy instead? It will have the same meaning in the end.