Why do liberals watch Fox News ?

[Frankg]

You people are bizzare , why are so many liberals here like SirMoby , Bill ,Asroc and KrisW obsessed with what Fox News prints out , I'm a conservative and I would not, for one minute, watch CNN , MSNBC, PBS , NBC,CBS or ABC , they are the most anti-Bush , anti -american , anti war- against-terrorisism networks in the media

[KrisW]

You people are bizzare , why are so many liberals here like SirMoby , Bill ,Asroc and KrisW obsessed with what Fox News prints out ,

I'm hardly "obsessed" with Fox news. As I've said before, I watch ALL the cable networks because they ALL have their biases.

Fox News has definte right wing bias (and likes to pimp out their female reporters with good legs), but I'm always willing to listen to people like Dick Morris, Tammy Bruce, Ben Stien, and a few others.
And Brit Hume is pretty middle-of-the-road.

Plus I like the way Alan Combs sometimes responds to Sean Hannity. I especially liked the way he responded to Hannity's attempts to turn him into a pariah because he didn't watch the Super Bowl.

[mwillman]

Know thy enemy.

Its as simple as that.

[KrisW]

Know thy enemy.

Its as simple as that.


No, not quite.

Anyone that thinks ALL Dems or ALL GOP is "the enemy" has merely been brain-washed by whatever party they belong to.

[mwillman]

NO I just think a small group of mega criminals control the republican party and a bunch of ignorant fools believe them.

Democrats are not as lock step with the same group of corporations and can't degrade the masses as much since thier base doesnt like it.

[asroc]

You people are bizzare , why are so many liberals here like SirMoby , Bill ,Asroc and KrisW obsessed with what Fox News prints out , I'm a conservative and I would not, for one minute, watch CNN , MSNBC, PBS , NBC,CBS or ABC , they are the most anti-Bush , anti -american , anti war- against-terrorisism networks in the media

why are you asking why we watch a network that you think is the only honest network on tv?

[Moby]

Often it makes me laugh. I only watch while switching channels but most of the stuff is so far our there that I often laugh out loud.

My recent favorite was Bill O had some guy on that sells a video of taped crimes. Bill was appalled that anyone would profit from showing violent crimes. Bill forgot that a few months ago Sean Hannity was showing a tape of a large man in a bar beating a small female bartender.

You have to love how in Hanitty's America it's OK to profit from violent crime.

[KrisW]

NO I just think a small group of mega criminals control the republican party and a bunch of ignorant fools believe them.

Democrats are not as lock step with the same group of corporations and can't degrade the masses as much since thier base doesnt like it.

If you think the Democratic establishment is less corrupt than the Republican one, you really are delusional.:(

[KrisW]

Often it makes me laugh. I only watch while switching channels but most of the stuff is so far our there that I often laugh out loud.


Well, I think Fox reached a new low tonight. Geraldo Rivera did the late election coverage, and every time Sean Hannity's ugly mug was on the screen he was equivocating all the critcism he has leveled on John McCain. :lmao2: :lmao2:

[Tipster]

I watch those " news stations " just to see how the other side thinks.

[mwillman]

If you think the Democratic establishment is less corrupt than the Republican one, you really are delusional.:(


So you say but the facts say other wise. Why are so many people so blind to the rampent and blatant crime that the republican congress and presidency have commited over the last 7 years. It amazes me how people forget what went on days after it happens. To many people are programed to see everything in little bits rather then connecting the dotes. Abramoff, Enron, Haliburton just to name a few republican puppet masters. And before you say anything abouyt enron why dont you look and see who wrote bushes energy policies.

[Smurf-Herder]

So you say but the facts say other wise. Why are so many people so blind to the rampent and blatant crime that the republican congress and presidency have commited over the last 7 years. It amazes me how people forget what went on days after it happens. To many people are programed to see everything in little bits rather then connecting the dotes. Abramoff, Enron, Haliburton just to name a few republican puppet masters. And before you say anything abouyt enron why dont you look and see who wrote bushes energy policies.

I guess a lot of people ignored the previous eight years before Bush.

The Clinton Legacy
http://prorev.com/legacy.htm

RECORDS SET

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

"...47 individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine were convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes with 33 of these occurring during the Clinton administration itself. There were in addition 61 indictments or misdemeanor charges. 14 persons were imprisoned. A key difference between the Clinton story and earlier ones was the number of criminals with whom he was associated before entering the White House."

CAMPAIGN FINANCE INVESTIGATION

- As of June 2000, the Justice Department listed 25 people indicted and 19 convicted because of the 1996 Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals.
- According to the House Committee on Government Reform in September 2000, 79 House and Senate witnesses asserted the Fifth Amendment in the course of investigations into Gore's last fundraising campaign.
-James Riady entered a plea agreement to pay an $8.5 million fine for campaign finance crimes. This was a record under campaign finance laws.

UNEXPLAINED PHENOMENA

- FBI files misappropriated by the White House: c. 900
- Estimated number of witnesses quoted in FBI files misappropriated by the White House: 18,000
- Number of witnesses who developed medical problems at critical points in Clinton scandals investigation (Tucker, Hale, both McDougals, Lindsey): 5
- Problem areas listed in a memo by Clinton's own lawyer in preparation for the president's defense: 40
- Number of witnesses and critics of Clinton subjected to IRS audit: 45
- Number of names placed in a White House secret database without the knowledge of those named: c. 200,000
- Number of women involved with Clinton who claim to have been physically threatened (Sally Perdue, Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Elizabeth Ward Gracen, Juantia Broaddrick): 6
- Number of men involved in the Clinton scandals who have been beaten up or claimed to have been intimidated: 10

[KrisW]

So you say but the facts say other wise. Why are so many people so blind to the rampent and blatant crime that the republican congress and presidency have commited over the last 7 years.

OH...and there was NO graft under 8 years of Clinton?????

Take off those rose-colored glasses.

[Smurf-Herder]

Clinton and Democrat Corruption stories from the Clinton years, in the NY Times:

Negotiations Intensify In Inquiry On Donations
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F00E5DD1638F934A35754C0A9669C8B 63

Guilty Plea Set By Fund-Raiser For Democrats
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE6D71031F935A15756C0A96F9582 60

Democratic Donor Told Her to Destroy Documents, Aide Says
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F07E0DD1531F930A35750C0A96E9582 60

Payment to an Ex-Clinton Aide Is Linked to Big Chinese Project
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980DE5DB1330F935A35750C0A9619582 60

F.B.I. Looks at Whether China Funneled Money to Democrats
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E02E4D8143FF937A25751C0A9619582 60

Family Tied to Democratic Party Funds Built an Indonesian Empire
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE0D71F31F933A15753C1A9609582 60


I almost forgot Hillary and her Cattle Futures (It wasn't during Clinton's Presidency. But because she could end up in the White House, her personal integrity counts). It is pretty miraculous for a novice investor to make $100,000 windfall on a $1000 investment - although it does look like she had a lot of inside (illegal or unethical) help.

Lest We Forget - Hillary’s $100K Cattle Scam
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/barbara-olson-on-hillarys-cattle-futures

[mwillman]

8 years and 50 million dollars later all the republicans could get Clinton for was a blow job. You can say what you want but I havent forgotten the which hunt the republicans tried on clinton.

IF you put half the effort on Bush you would find billions of dollars of crinimal coruption and crime so save your lies for your CPAC meetings.

[KrisW]

8 years and 50 million dollars later all the republicans could get Clinton for was a blow job.



Well, Mark Rich got a pardon.

I'm sure their a few criminals out there just waiting for Hillary to win, so they can get pardons....like that Hsu guy who contributed to her campaign.

[mwillman]

HaHa

Yea again I dont care about a few pardons hell Bush pardoned libby.

The point isnt the little things the point is trillions of american dollars just handed over to friends of the Bush and Cheney families. The main reason we have had no growth in 7 years and the largest debt in american history.

When you can prove that paying Haliburton billions of dollars did anything for the people that paid it then you can talk about what clinton did.

[Smurf-Herder]

8 years and 50 million dollars later all the republicans could get Clinton for was a blow job. You can say what you want but I havent forgotten the which hunt the republicans tried on clinton.

IF you put half the effort on Bush you would find billions of dollars of crinimal coruption and crime so save your lies for your CPAC meetings.

You missed the dozens of guilty pleas and convictions of people working for the Clintons.

There's a difference between broad allegations and actual specific criminal convictions.

[mwillman]

There is also a difference between a witch hunt and no investigations at all.

Thousands of people worked for the clintons and some of them did bad things. I dont disagree with that.
What I do disagree with is the double standard that allowed Republicans to waste 2 years of government service on witch hunts when clinton was in office and the complete subjugation of any investigations when Bush was in office.

[Smurf-Herder]

There is also a difference between a witch hunt and no investigations at all.

Thousands of people worked for the clintons and some of them did bad things. I dont disagree with that.
What I do disagree with is the double standard that allowed Republicans to waste 2 years of government service on witch hunts when clinton was in office and the complete subjugation of any investigations when Bush was in office.


The whole argument was the Democrats are at least as bad as the Republicans. I pointed out some of the Democrats corruption charges - and convictions. Deal with it.

The double standard is brushing off anything the Democrats do wrong.

[mwillman]

My point is not that there is coruption on both sides. We all know that.

Clinton accually got us back on the road to a balanced budget and a strong economy. Bush has spent more in 7 years then any president in history and we have less to show for it.

You can hate Clinton all day but his was a presidency of growth and prosperity where as Bushes has been one of institutionalized theft of the american tax payers.

[Smurf-Herder]

My point is not that there is coruption on both sides. We all know that.

Clinton accually got us back on the road to a balanced budget and a strong economy. Bush has spent more in 7 years then any president in history and we have less to show for it.

You can hate Clinton all day but his was a presidency of growth and prosperity where as Bushes has been one of institutionalized theft of the american tax payers.

And Bush inherited Clinton's recession the first year in office.

BTW, you should read this. IMO Clinton should have been tried for treason.

The Real Case Against Bill Clinton Is Red Chinese Bribery Charge
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_4_15/ai_53729181

North Korea and Iran wouldn't have the missile technology they do today, if Clinton hadn't let the Chinese steal ours, to sell to them.

I'm sorry if you have an alternate view of reality, but Clinton sold us all out for personal power.

Google "Chinagate".

[mwillman]

I just dont get how you can compare Bush and Clinton.

Bush has done more to destroy this nation then any single individual in our history and you bring up old crap that has never been anything except anti Clinton propoganda with little in the way of evidence.

[Smurf-Herder]

I just dont get how you can compare Bush and Clinton.

Bush has done more to destroy this nation then any single individual in our history and you bring up old crap that has never been anything except anti Clinton propoganda with little in the way of evidence.

All the international crisis issues Bush had to face are legacies of Clinton's failing to deal with them during his term. Al-Qaeda, Iran, North Korea and Iraq.

Read the fucking evidence. All you want to do is ignore anything Clinton did, just to be argumentative about Bush.

It's not propaganda. These are historical facts. People went to prison, China funneled money and got our nuclear secrets and a 30 year jump on missile tech.

[mwillman]

You are funny.

It doesnt matter when or how it happens its all Clintons fault.

Iraq was a problem created by Bush Senior and then expanded by Bush jr. AL-Quada was created during Reagans presidency by the CIA which was directed by Bush sr. at the time. North Korea goes back to Truman.

You want to blame Clinton you can but the truth is far more complicated and accually leads back to republicans in almost all cases.

[Smurf-Herder]

You are funny.

It doesnt matter when or how it happens its all Clintons fault.

Iraq was a problem created by Bush Senior and then expanded by Bush jr. AL-Quada was created during Reagans presidency by the CIA which was directed by Bush sr. at the time. North Korea goes back to Truman.

You want to blame Clinton you can but the truth is far more complicated and accually leads back to republicans in almost all cases.

Iraq was left to subvert sanctions during the 90s, bribing UN people and foreign companies to help them. Bill had a troop buildup twice, threatened them, made it US policy for regime change; then left it to the next guy.

Al-Qaeda came into existance in the 1990s. Even the Taliban was created by Pakistani intelligence. Bill refused to take Bin Laden from Sudan.

Clinton had Carter get an agreement with North Korea on their nuclear program that was seriously flawed.

And on China - to make it short and sweet:

The Idiot's Guide to Chinagate
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/5/26/214938.shtml

"As a globalist, Clinton promotes "multipolarity" – the doctrine that no country (such as the USA) should be allowed to gain decisive advantage over others.

To this end, Clinton appointed anti-nuclear activist Hazel O'Leary to head the Department of Energy. O'Leary set to work "leveling the playing field," as she put it, by giving away our nuclear secrets. She declassified 11 million pages of data on U.S. nuclear weapons and loosened up security at weapons labs.

Federal investigators later concluded that China made off with the "crown jewels" of our nuclear weapons research under Clinton’s open-door policy – probably including design specifications for suitcase nukes.

Meanwhile, Clinton and his corporate cronies raked in millions.

In his book "The China Threat," Washington Times correspondent Bill Gertz describes how the system worked.

Defense contractors eager to sell technology to China poured millions of dollars into Clinton's campaign. In return, Clinton called off the dogs. Janet Reno and other counterintelligence officials stood down while Lockheed Martin, Hughes Electronics, Loral Space & Communications and other U.S. companies helped China modernize its nuclear strike force.

"We like your president. We want to see him re-elected," former Chinese intelligence chief Gen. Ji Shengde told Chinagate bagman Johnny Chung.

Indeed, Chinese intelligence organized a massive covert operation aimed at tilting the 1996 election Clinton's way.

Clinton's top campaign contributors for 1992 were Chinese agents; his top donors in 1996 were U.S. defense contractors selling missile technology to China.

Clinton recieved funding directly from known or suspected Chinese intelligence agents, among them James and Mochtar Riady, who own the Indonesian Lippo Group; John Huang; Charlie Trie; Ted Sioeng; Maria Hsia; Wang Jun and others.

Commerce Secretary Ron Brown served as Clinton's front man in many Chinagate deals. When investigators began probing Brown's Lippo Group and Chinagate connections, Brown died suddenly in a suspicious April 1996 plane crash."

[Moby]

All the international crisis issues Bush had to face are legacies of Clinton's failing to deal with them during his term. Al-Qaeda, Iran, North Korea and Iraq.
None of these were problems when Reagan was in office?. :lmao2:

The same people involved in Iran-Contra never went away and in fact were appointed public office again.

Double standards yet again.

[Smurf-Herder]

None of these were problems when Reagan was in office?. :lmao2:

The same people involved in Iran-Contra never went away and in fact were appointed public office again.

Double standards yet again.

Read my last post.

[mwillman]

I read what you wrote and I still think your opinions are biased and one sided and thus I find your subjective views on Clinton policys to be nothing more then a misrepresentation of valid political doctrine that did more to help this nation then the Bushes rob the masses to feed the greed policies ever have.

[Smurf-Herder]

I read what you wrote and I still think your opinions are biased and one sided and thus I find your subjective views on Clinton policys to be nothing more then a misrepresentation of valid political doctrine that did more to help this nation then the Bushes rob the masses to feed the greed policies ever have.

Valid Political Doctrine? ...... like taking campaign contribution bribes from foreign powers to endanger national security?

[mwillman]

When you can prove that, then you have a case but all I see is inuendo and prejudice. Not racial prejudice but Clinton prejudice something that republicans were full of in the 90s.

Working with other nations rather then invading them is a valid political agenda.

[Smurf-Herder]

When you can prove that, then you have a case but all I see is inuendo and prejudice. Not racial prejudice but Clinton prejudice something that republicans were full of in the 90s.

Working with other nations rather then invading them is a valid political agenda.

It was proven years ago. That's why John Huang, Johnny Chung, Charlie Trie, Maria Hsia, and James Riady along with 17 others were convicted and either sentenced to prison or paid huge fines, for laundering illegal donations to either Clinton or the DNC from foreign sources. This dosn't include people who fled the country.

[mwillman]

You inplied that Clinton had commited a crime.

I am waiting to hear what that crime was and the proof you have that he commited it.

[Smurf-Herder]

You inplied that Clinton had commited a crime.

I am waiting to hear what that crime was and the proof you have that he commited it.

Well, how about your allegations concerning Bush?

You have something better on him than I have on Clinton?

I don't see a lot of people in prison who worked for Bush. But I see a lot who worked with and for Clinton.

I'm really sorry you're blind to anything concerning Clinton.

So it all comes down to - your allegations are somehow more substantial than mine?

[Kinky Jones]

I don't see a lot of people in prison who worked for Bush.

he abused his power to keep them out IE scooter libby :thumbsup:


and frank this thread really speaks volumes about how you "conservatives" talk shit about everything when you are completely uninformed about anything

[Frankg]

he abused his power to keep them out IE scooter libby :thumbsup:


and frank this thread really speaks volumes about how you "conservatives" talk shit about everything when you are completely uninformed about anything

What do you mean by "talking shit" ?

[Kinky Jones]

What do you mean by "talking shit" ?

you know, flapping your gums about stuff when you aren't even informed about it because of what you heard on the TV, didnt mean just you specificlly but all the faux news Sexual Harrasment Orielly, Pill Popping Limbaugh, and In the Closet Savage fans, you just don't get that tehy are there for entertainment and to keep you watching so they can make money by selling advertising (and coffe mugs and whatever you "conservatives" buy from them) :thumbsup:

[Frankg]

you know, flapping your gums about stuff when you aren't even informed about it because of what you heard on the TV, didnt mean just you specificlly but all the faux news Sexual Harrasment Orielly, Pill Popping Limbaugh, and In the Closet Savage fans, you just don't get that tehy are there for entertainment and to keep you watching so they can make money by selling advertising (and coffe mugs and whatever you "conservatives" buy from them) :thumbsup:

KJ

I dont' watch Fox News, I don't watch O'Reilly , I don't listen to Limbaugh, or Savage and I would certainly never buy an O'Reilly coffee mug and you really should do some research before generalizing all conservatives

[Kinky Jones]

KJ

I dont' watch Fox News, I don't watch O'Reilly , I don't listen to Limbaugh, or Savage and I would certainly never buy an O'Reilly coffee mug and you really should do some research before generalizing all conservatives

no Frank you go for the internet crap like worldnetdaily and alphapatriot for your news boy are you getting the truth :lmao2:

and i was generalizing the "conservatives" that post at this forum, you know, all the ones who don't know where their money went :banghead:

WND often battles what it claims is unfair blocks by common web filtering applications. For example, Net Nanny blocks WND for "hate / violence" content. [2] At different times, organizations such as the U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Navy, and American Airlines have blocked WND.

and as far as alphapatriot goes well "observations from a reformed liberal" says it all.

[IndieLeft]

Are you out of your mind? Bush is a war criminal to start off with. You can't get any more anti-american than that.

Tell me something... How do you support a president who values the telcom companies more than your life?

To say, we MUST pass fisa... oh, but only if you give the telcoms immunity? WTF?

[Frankg]

Are you out of your mind? Bush is a war criminal to start off with. You can't get any more anti-american than that.

Tell me something... How do you support a president who values the telcom companies more than your life?

To say, we MUST pass fisa... oh, but only if you give the telcoms immunity? WTF?

George W Bush , President of the United States of America

1 - Has brought the terrorists responsible for 9/11 to justice,

2 -Toppled the taliban regime and put Afganistan on the path to democracy ,

3 -Protected this country against attack by Saddam Hussein ,

4 -Crushed the Baath party

5 -Killed Saddam's two murderous sons Oueday and Kusay

6 -Captured and brought Saddam Hussein to justice

7 -Has enabled Iraq to have free elections and has put the country on the path to democracy ,

8 -"Convinced" Mohmar Gadafi to turn over his nuclear weapons and become America's ally,

9 -Successfully defended this country from terrorist attack since 9/11 and has foiled many attempts

10 -Disarmed North Korea

11 -Got Mohmar Kadafi to turn over his nuclear weapons program and work with the US to fight terrorism
http://www.dcjunkies.com/img/statusicon/user_online.gif

[Kinky Jones]

ahhh Franks good ole list :lmao2:

where is Bin Laden? he admitted full responsibility but dubya can't catch him so he tortured somebody else until they confessed to everything under the sun

and look into korea buddy he didn't do shit as they haven't done shit except take all the stuff dubya paid them off with, they still have all their stuff and they ain't getting rid of it any time soon...

sadamm was scared of Iran not us, and had no way of "attacking us"

afghanistan is full of suicide bombers and the taliban is stronger than ever cause we have no troops over there, in fact we just sent more Marines over there cause shit is fucked! (http://news.aol.com/story/_a/suicide-bomber-kills-80-in-afghanistan/20080217065109990001) The attack follows a year of record violence and predictions that the Afghan conflict could turn even deadlier this year.

bush actually LIED about what we would do with saddam, he was supposed to go to a war crimes court at the hague and instead we handed him over the shiites so they coul hang him before he could sing like a bird and tell the world how bushco made him what he was and gave tehm all his weapons

this has all been explained to you numerous times and you just keep your head in the sand Frank

[asroc]

yeah afghanistan is totally fucked, it's really depressing

i don't know what the hell frank is talking about with either iraq of afghanistan