Mandated Diets inevitable

[kres24GT]

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/02/bill-would-make.html

First local bans on things like trans fats, now a house bill designed to make it illegal to feed fat people. Not much support and not likely to pass but shows which way we are moving.

Once government takes over the healthcare system laws like these will be more confined, more scrutinized and more plentiful.

For those who want big government, you are getting it. The Nanny State is here and its probably too late to turn back.

[Bill]

Isn't the same effect taking place in private insurance right now - fat people being charged more, often so much more they can't get insurance?

Companies mandating their employees stop smoking and exercise, or individual rates go up? Camoanies charging fat people higher rates to get company health insurance?

People not being hired because of their health or weight?

People not being hired because of information in their health files?

I'm pretty sure I've seen news articles about all of these recently.

Wether you mandate it by mandating it, or by denying people insurance or employment, you've still mandated it.

[kres24GT]

Isn't the same effect taking place in private insurance right now - fat people being charged more, often so much more they can't get insurance?

Companies mandating their employees stop smoking and exercise, or individual rates go up? Camoanies charging fat people higher rates to get company health insurance?

People not being hired because of their health or weight?

People not being hired because of information in their health files?

I'm pretty sure I've seen news articles about all of these recently.

Wether you mandate it by mandating it, or by denying people insurance or employment, you've still mandated it.


Companies are not the government. Government mandates are not the same as an employer you may choose to work for mandating something. I am not buying you are stupid enough to not see the distinction.

[Moby]

This is a local government in Mississippi. Southern government wants to regulate what we read, what we see and what we hear. They've been at it for generations.

Why should this surprise you coming from the south? It came from the north I'd be concerned but the south has always wanted to regulate every part of our social lives.

[kres24GT]

This is a local government in Mississippi. Southern government wants to regulate what we read, what we see and what we hear. They've been at it for generations.

Why should this surprise you coming from the south? It came from the north I'd be concerned but the south has always wanted to regulate every part of our social lives.


All politcians want this. Less freedom for the people means more power for th responibility for the politcians. It's not limited to any part or region. The politcians know that we are willing to trade our freedom to them for safety and comfort, and they are all too willing to take it form us.

As we move toward the totalitarian state, we do so with a smile on our face.

[Bill]

So, you believe in private companies requiring things, but hate it when the government requires the same thing.

So if a private company threatens you and says, give me your money, that's fundamentally different than when a government does the same thing.

Because it's private, even tho the victim experiences the same threat either way, it's a good thing.

[Peregrine]

Companies are not the government. Government mandates are not the same as an employer you may choose to work for mandating something. I am not buying you are stupid enough to not see the distinction.


"Companies are not the government"

Not only are they not the government, they are not a democracy...straight from the mouth of a company manager....forever changed my view of a corporation!!!

[kres24GT]

So, you believe in private companies requiring things, but hate it when the government requires the same thing.

So if a private company threatens you and says, give me your money, that's fundamentally different than when a government does the same thing.

Because it's private, even tho the victim experiences the same threat either way, it's a good thing.

Again, you are not this stupid. To say employers must offer the same freedoms as the government is so beyond stupid its really insulting you would even suggest it.

Using you inane logic government should be fine to limit our speech and even dictate how we dress, becuase employers do it. Of course this line of reasoning is beyond retarded.

A company cannot force you to give them your money. The government can.

[kres24GT]

"Companies are not the government"

Not only are they not the government, they are not a democracy...straight from the mouth of a company manager....forever changed my view of a corporation!!!


The major difference is you can choose to not give your time and/or money to companies/corporations, you don't have that luxury with government.

[stefan segal]

kres...trans fats are lethal...and one's body chemistry cannot pass them once ingested, so all transfat one ingests becomes a premanent deposit clogging one system or another.

Transfat is what makes maonaise...aka salad dressing, thick and creamy. How many other industrially designed foods do you think will kill you...either fast or slow?

The tobbacco industry has been historically a big money player in designing our national laws, but it seems that insurance interests must be the big gun today...otherwise we'd still have an ashtray on our desks.

This is the problem with dumbing-down the population (so they work cheaper and dumber jobs and are easier to direct), is that at some point big money interess come into natural conflict and then the population must be herded in this direction or that...and who wants to check each time if your charges have washed their hands or went pee pee before leaving the house?

Stefan

[kres24GT]

kres...trans fats are lethal...and one's body chemistry cannot pass them once ingested, so all transfat one ingests becomes a premanent deposit clogging one system or another.

Transfat is what makes maonaise...aka salad dressing, thick and creamy. How many other industrially designed foods do you think will kill you...either fast or slow?

The tobbacco industry has been historically a big money player in designing our national laws, but it seems that insurance interests must be the big gun today...otherwise we'd still have an ashtray on our desks.

This is the problem with dumbing-down the population (so they work cheaper and dumber jobs and are easier to direct), is that at some point big money interess come into natural conflict and then the population must be herded in this direction or that...and who wants to check each time if your charges have washed their hands or went pee pee before leaving the house?

Stefan


What I put into my body should be my business and the business of no one else.

[Moby]

What I put into my body should be my business and the business of no one else.
So you should be allowed to drink a fifth of vodka and drive your car home?

You should be allowed to shoot up with heroin and pick up your kids at school?

I think you might feel more comfortable living on a small island. This is a country of 300 million people and we all have to find away to get along.

[stefan segal]

What I put into my body should be my business and the business of no one else.

kres...the point is, if you don't know what you are putting into your body, then you never had that choice.

You really need to understand that industry will kill you (a little or a lot), for a dime...acutally a milion or more dimes a month week or year.

If you read up on chemical treatments of "food", then you might not feel so much in command of your abiliy to choose...this is not to mention the genetic engineering of biologics.

My distaste for big brother oversite is based, I have found, upon my assumptions of what I would consider normal human behavior.

I have discovered consequently, that I have had my head fimrly lodged up my ass in this regard, and now welcome any semblence of quality control.

The "bottom line" has no heart to beat...its all numbers and "buyers beware".


Stefan

[kres24GT]

So you should be allowed to drink a fifth of vodka and drive your car home?

You should be allowed to shoot up with heroin and pick up your kids at school?

I think you might feel more comfortable living on a small island. This is a country of 300 million people and we all have to find away to get along.


I take it you cannot read? I said I should be able to put into my body whatever I want, not put whatever I want into my body and do whatever I want wherever I want.

Logic like yours is how diets will be mandated in the future. Someone could have a heart attack while driving a car and kill others.

[kres24GT]

kres...the point is, if you don't know what you are putting into your body, then you never had that choice.

You really need to understand that industry will kill you (a little or a lot), for a dime...acutally a milion or more dimes a month week or year.

If you read up on chemical treatments of "food", then you might not feel so much in command of your abiliy to choose...this is not to mention the genetic engineering of biologics.

My distaste for big brother oversite is based, I have found, upon my assumptions of what I would consider normal human behavior.

I have discovered consequently, that I have had my head fimrly lodged up my ass in this regard, and now welcome any semblence of quality control.

The "bottom line" has no heart to beat...its all numbers and "buyers beware".


Stefan


It's great that you personally get to determine what is "normal human behavior" for everyone else. I know a lot of people who do that. They are called fascist politcians.

Whether or not I choose to research what I am putting into my body is again my business.