Republicans, If you are not worried now, you should be.

[hdmarketing]

Well those few of you here on the very liberal forum, if you arn't worried by now you really should be.

With this race now down to three Dems (Clinton, Obama, and McCain).

I am now supporting Romney.

[mwillman]

hahaha

Sorry HD but you are going to be mad for the next 4 years at least.

But dont worry the country will do just fine, in fact I am willing to bet that with a democrat we do much better then we did with your republicans. Just like the 90s were a much better time for the country then the last 7 years.

[Cat slave]

Well those few of you here on the very liberal forum, if you arn't worried by now you really should be.

With this race now down to three Dems (Clinton, Obama, and McCain).

I am now supporting Romney.

Romney is the only hope for conservatives. Teddy McCain is the devil
incarnate. I cant believe how stupid people are. How did that puffy old
man get this far?

I was actually thinking maybe Id consider Obama if McCain got the nomination
but hes dead in the water for me after coming out for dl for illegals. Hes on
my **** list now in permanent marker.

[Cat slave]

hahaha

Sorry HD but you are going to be mad for the next 4 years at least.

But dont worry the country will do just fine, in fact I am willing to bet that with a democrat we do much better then we did with your republicans. Just like the 90s were a much better time for the country then the last 7 years.

Lets see now, I do remember the tech bubble breaking and investments taking
a nosedive way before Klinton finally left the WH. Anyone remember that?
It must have been collateral damage from those happy days with the sex
feind/purgerer. God, hasnt he gotten ugly in his old age! Looks disipated
like maybe hes not led a Christian life. ROTFLMAO:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[Little Red Dog]

Romney is the only hope for conservatives. Teddy McCain is the devil
incarnate. I cant believe how stupid people are. How did that puffy old
man get this far?

I was actually thinking maybe Id consider Obama if McCain got the nomination
but hes dead in the water for me after coming out for dl for illegals. Hes on
my **** list now in permanent marker.

Romney says he'll deport all illegals. All 12 million of them. How does he plan to do that?

Does he think they're all going to sit tight until the INS knocks on their doors? And then, of course, they'll all just meekly allow themselves to be sent back to whatever hopelessness they left.

And who's going to pay for this mass deportation? Betcha it would be us lucky taxpayers. Yup, we'll pay for their incarceration, their travel, and lest we forget, the inevitable lawyers.

But I'm pretty sure that ultimately it will only cost us about $1.35 per immigrant. Because the minute Romney is elected Prez - watch those illegals melt away and disappear like ice on a Mississippi sidewalk in August.

Of course, we could always allocate a sizeable portion of our Homeland Security budget to tracking down a bunch of lettuce-pickers, instead of looking for legitimate terrorists. In a time of a soaring deficit and an expensive war, that would be an excellent use for our limited funds.

Additionally, does anyone seriously think that an illegal immigrant who does not have a DL, but needs to drive to work is going to hitchhike or something? No, my friend. He's going to drive. Unlicenced and uninsured.

The DL idea allows us to know who and where these people are. The LAST thing we need to do is drive 12 million illegal immigrants back into the shadows.

The "deport 'em all" idea is just plain ludicrous. It's completely impractical, and it's nothing more than shameless pandering.

[Independent Harry]

Romney is an idiot...he is another man in the pockets of his corporations...Ron Paul is the only viable republican left on the ticket.

[Moby]

I find the entire immigration thing silly. The PNAC was already formed before the 2000 election. People knew the desire for a new world order was taking shape. People knew that Bush was part of this.

Or at least people should have taken the time to know about these things.

People that voted for Bush voted to bring in those illegals. They voted to play nation builder. They voted to send jobs to China. They voted to keep wages low.

Now, after a few years of it they're pissed because there are all these illegals here. They're pissed because of all the Chinese goods coming in.

You got exactly what you voted for and now you're angry about it?

[mwillman]

Lets see now, I do remember the tech bubble breaking and investments taking
a nosedive way before Klinton finally left the WH. Anyone remember that?
It must have been collateral damage from those happy days with the sex
feind/purgerer. God, hasnt he gotten ugly in his old age! Looks disipated
like maybe hes not led a Christian life. ROTFLMAO:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:


Your funny, The tech dive was after 2000 not before. I should know being a tech person who got layed off in 2002 becuase of the tech drop.

Let me ask you two questions.

What was the DOW at in 1992?
What was the DOW in 2000?

Now let me ask.

What is the DOW now?

If you dont know let me inform you.

In 1992 the DOW was around 3500.

In 2000 is was over 11000. Thats a growth of over 7000 in 8 years.

Today the DOW is aprox. 12400.

That means that under Clinton the DOW went up 7000 and under Bush is raised less then a 1000.

My point is simple, We did much better under a democrat then we did under Bush.

[kres24GT]

It really doesn't matter who is elected. All the candidates love big spending and big government. Hillary or Obama are no better or worse than Romney.

[mwillman]

There is a difference.

Democrats want to spend money to help america.

Republicans want to spend money to make war.

[kres24GT]

There is a difference.

Democrats want to spend money to help america.

Republicans want to spend money to make war.


LMAO........

[kres24GT]

Your funny, The tech dive was after 2000 not before. I should know being a tech person who got layed off in 2002 becuase of the tech drop.

Let me ask you two questions.

What was the DOW at in 1992?
What was the DOW in 2000?

Now let me ask.

What is the DOW now?

If you dont know let me inform you.

In 1992 the DOW was around 3500.

In 2000 is was over 11000. Thats a growth of over 7000 in 8 years.

Today the DOW is aprox. 12400.

That means that under Clinton the DOW went up 7000 and under Bush is raised less then a 1000.

My point is simple, We did much better under a democrat then we did under Bush.


Bill Clinton with a Republican Congress is about as good as it gets with the two parties. Gridlock is a great thing, the less government does the better things are. It seems gridlock is a thing of the past now though as both parties are determined to bring us under a dictatorship.

[Moby]

Lets see now, I do remember the tech bubble breaking and investments taking a nosedive way before Klinton finally left the WH. Anyone remember that? It must have been collateral damage from those happy days with the sex feind/purgerer. God, hasnt he gotten ugly in his old age! Looks disipated like maybe hes not led a Christian life. ROTFLMAO:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:
the tech bubble was coming undone but I've asked this question many times. What policy was it that made the tech bubble slow? As far as I can tell it was a normal economic event after 8 years of averaging over 4% growth which is a better average then Reagan or either Bush.

Clinton had a strong desire balance the budget and it appears that he may have gone a little to far. I don't think that's really bad. Today we have seen 1/2 the growth, $3.5 Trillion in debt and we didn't build any infrastructure. In Clinton's era we built a massive communications infrastructure. In Bush's we got nothing.

Yes, in 2000 the economy was slowing down but the dollar was stable, we had debt under control, banks were in good shape, lots of jobs, better pay, more people with health care - the list can continue but I think you get the point.

BTW - No politician at the federal level is living Christian Life.

[kres24GT]

It's threads like this where the party sheep get exposed.

[mwillman]

Its also a good place to see the tactic

"Ignore the topic and insult others"

You make claims but in the end its just your musings and they have little to do with reality. Im sorry your bitter about life and government but if you bothered to look at history you would see that in many ways we are accually making great progress as a nation even with 8 year of no growth. Bush is nothing more then a hick up in the growth of society.

[kres24GT]

Its also a good place to see the tactic

"Ignore the topic and insult others"

You make claims but in the end its just your musings and they have little to do with reality. Im sorry your bitter about life and government but if you bothered to look at history you would see that in many ways we are accually making great progress as a nation even with 8 year of no growth. Bush is nothing more then a hick up in the growth of society.


Sorry, still laughing over Democrats want to spend money to help Americans. Democrats, like Republicans, want to help their corporate buddies while making sure the poor stay poor and the rich get richer.

[hdmarketing]

And who's going to pay for this mass deportation? Betcha it would be us lucky taxpayers. Yup, we'll pay for their incarceration, their travel, and lest we forget, the inevitable lawyers.
funny you should bring that up.
Guess who is going to pay to give them a licence?
THAT'S US!
You are screwed either way there buddy boy.
Not only that, but if hil bil or mccain or obama wins, YOU will also pay for them to get health care too!

Buck up dog, either way you are going to pay some, or you are going to pay a whole lot.

[Little Red Dog]

It's cheaper to pay for a DL - system already in place - than to pay to have them deported.

Then we know who we have and where they are.

Plus, as I said before, do you seriously think they're all going to stand around on street corners holding a placard that says, "Illegal Waiting For Deportation"?

The idea is ridiculous.

[Smurf-Herder]

They all look bad to me. Each one just has a different direction they'll lean more to, in terms of "being bad".

Possibly, just a coin toss on how America will go down.

[Cat slave]

We dont need to "give" them another damned thing but a swift kick south!

[mwillman]

Sometimes I think some of you must have had something really bad happen to you.

The amount of cynicism you guys spew makes the world look like hell on earth.

Personally I think things are much better then you guys could ever admit to. I know I have not gone hungry nor have I lacked in freedom or fun. I am 41 years old and am finishing up my BS in Engineering which is something that I probably would not be able to do in 90% of the world. Sure its hard, I have had to make alot of sacrifices to get an education but its possible for anyone if they are willing to work hard. You can't say that in most countries.

My point is that we in this country are really lucky to have such a great country to live in and even though things could be better they are not all that bad.

I really dont think that the candidates are evil or have some nefarious plans to destroy the american way. While I dont agree with everything they want to do doesnt mean that they are evil rather they just believe that their vision of what we should is better for the country.

[Moby]

They all look bad to me. Each one just has a different direction they'll lean more to, in terms of "being bad".

Possibly, just a coin toss on how America will go down.
We decided in 2000 how America was going down. Now we just have to decide if we want to change our mind.

[Little Red Dog]

We dont need to "give" them another damned thing but a swift kick south!

And you really think that's going to work?

Seriously, CS - this is obviously a hot button issue for you. What do you think the solution is?

We've got 12 million people here illegally - who we know about. God knows how many more we don't know about. We've also got borders that are pretty much wide open on all sides to whoever has the determination to get across them. And we're at war with an enemy who deploys one or two people at a time into action, instead of large, visible troop movements.

I suggest to you that the 12 million we know about are the least of our problems. Document them and focus on the borders. That's where our money and manpower should go first.

What's your solution?

[Little Red Dog]

...I really dont think that the candidates are evil or have some nefarious plans to destroy the american way. While I dont agree with everything they want to do doesnt mean that they are evil rather they just believe that their vision of what we should is better for the country.

Except for Darth Cheney. Did you see him smiling behind Bush during the SoTU? He looked like the mad scientist whose evil plan for world domination was working.

Dude, that was creepy. Seriously.

[Cat slave]

And you really think that's going to work?

Seriously, CS - this is obviously a hot button issue for you. What do you think the solution is?

We've got 12 million people here illegally - who we know about. God knows how many more we don't know about. We've also got borders that are pretty much wide open on all sides to whoever has the determination to get across them. And we're at war with an enemy who deploys one or two people at a time into action, instead of large, visible troop movements.

I suggest to you that the 12 million we know about are the least of our problems. Document them and focus on the borders. That's where our money and manpower should go first.

What's your solution?

Yes, its a very HOT button issue to me. I happen to like my country, my
culture and my fellow citizens who have been put out of work because of
the encroaching swarm of wage cutting illegals.

No, a swift kick is not going to work but cutting off all services to and all
perks to them will. Enforcing the laws on our books and whacking down
the employers who hire them to get a near slave labor cost would certainly
reverse the trend....and quick!

They are not supposed to be here. It is horrendously unfair to the immigrants
who actually want to become Americans not just suck off our economy and
our services and our schools and close ERs by using them as walk in clinics.
What part of "illegal" doesnt count anymore and if it doesnt, why the hell
is anyone supposed to obey any friggin law at all???????????

Their organizational machines have stated their intent, why would we not
beleive them. Their prez has also stated that wherever a Mexican is it is
Mexico.....so that meant that we are Mexico and he has the unmitigated gall
to interfere with enforcement of our laws. Sure the crooked louse wants to
keep the billions of dollars that leave our economy annually flooding into
Mexico while they export their lower class and their welfare leeches.

Yep, call me a nativist, racist, whatever you wish but facts are facts and
if the law doesnt apply to all it soon wont apply to any....sooner than anyone
is thinking!:mad:

[Cat slave]

I only surfed over the display periodically but what struck me when I did was
that Cheney was stone faced and goofy Pelosi had the stupidist grin always
on her face I ever saw. What the hell was that? A mask? That of a court
jester in way over her head.

[Little Red Dog]

Yes, but what's your solution?

Simply enforcing the laws on the books will not accomplish the overnight effect you seem to want. From your posts on this, it sounds like you want them gone, NOW.

However, what we want isn't always what we can have. I say, "round em up and deport em" just isn't a practical solution. And it shouldn't be our first point of focus.

[Cat slave]

Sometimes I think some of you must have had something really bad happen to you.

The amount of cynicism you guys spew makes the world look like hell on earth.

Personally I think things are much better then you guys could ever admit to. I know I have not gone hungry nor have I lacked in freedom or fun. I am 41 years old and am finishing up my BS in Engineering which is something that I probably would not be able to do in 90% of the world. Sure its hard, I have had to make alot of sacrifices to get an education but its possible for anyone if they are willing to work hard. You can't say that in most countries.

My point is that we in this country are really lucky to have such a great country to live in and even though things could be better they are not all that bad.

I really dont think that the candidates are evil or have some nefarious plans to destroy the american way. While I dont agree with everything they want to do doesnt mean that they are evil rather they just believe that their vision of what we should is better for the country.

I sincerely hope you are right. I would caution you though on your choice of
a career....can it be outsourced or done by a Mexican??? Thats all that
matters anymore.

We are putting our grandson, whom we raised (every penny of it from us not
from the government I might add though we could have sucked off the sow)
though college. His driving interest is technology. Ive tried to tell him it can
all be outsourced but he wont listen and is forging ahead. We are in for a
negative return on his education and I am concerned that he is in for a huge
disappointment after a lot of hard work.

I do sincerely hope you are right and its good to see a positive post for a
change though I cannot find the heart to come up with one of my own.

[Cat slave]

Yes, but what's your solution?

Simply enforcing the laws on the books will not accomplish the overnight effect you seem to want. From your posts on this, it sounds like you want them gone, NOW.

However, what we want isn't always what we can have. I say, "round em up and deport em" just isn't a practical solution. And it shouldn't be our first point of focus.

OK, look at it this way. Services should only be available to American citizens
or those in the process of going through the process to become American and
want, WANT to be American! Enforce the laws on our books regarding the
employment of illegal aliens. Deport every single criminal currently incarserated in ANY jail, prison, mental health facility immediately to their
country of origin. Build the friggin fence we were promised. Give American
construction workers, brick layers, landscapers back their jobs that have been
undercut from them. And I dont know why the NAACP is not all over this.
Illegals have taken the skilled jobs of stonemasons, bricklayers, and all
segments of the blue collar work world away from blacks. Or is it that they
dont care and can get income elsewhere??? I dont get it. And what about
the human trafficking that has burgeoned with the open border? Wheres the
concern about that??? And the wide open gates for the drug cartels that
flood back and forth freely under the guise of "people looking for a better
life"? They sure are and getting it at our expense. Does no one care about
the crime rate upon American citizens resulting directly from the misdeeds of
people who are not supposed to be here anyway. What about the huge
numbers of women in that border town who have been murdered? All this
is not the result of poor people just wanting to work. Give me a break!
Only people who want to become American, contribute to our country and
willing to do it the right way should be here. Not to enforce our laws is
enabling all the horrible consequences we are finding our citizens victims to.

Anyone who feels strongly for the illegals should at least take in one family
and all their extended family members and take care of them. Dont tell
anyone else how they should feel or what they should do. Take them into
your house, let them squat on your lawn or set them up in a section 8
house as close to you as you can and check on them daily and see if they
need anything. Now thats walking the walk.

Cut off the perks and they will leave all on their own. They will have no reason to stay or keep coming. SEAL the border

We have a pathway to citizenship.....legal immigration.
We have always had a "guest" worker program called migrant workers.
We are not responsible for the failures of all other country or their people.
Hey, they are the ones with the oil for gods sake. They should be a thriving
country instead of sucking off America.

[Little Red Dog]

I'm not disagreeing, in principle, with what you're saying. But what do we do with those already here?

Any President that announces that they will all be deporteed, willy-nilly, is simply going to drive 12 million people underground. Where, I guarantee you, they will, for the most part, stay.

If you think the underground economy is going to dry up, you're dreaming. There will ALWAYS be employers willing to pay cash under the table and people willing to work for it. And the ones who are here committing crimes and dealing drugs - why should they care about employment laws? They're not employed by the mainstream economy anyway.

Wouldn't you rather know who is here, by documenting them? And don't you think the chances are that the people who would be willing to be documented are most likely to fall into the category of law-abiding folks?

Would you prefer that we have unlicenced, uninsured, (and untested) drivers on our roads? Because you KNOW they're going to drive whether or not they have a licence.

Personally, I'd rather use a carrot than a stick for this problem.

[Smurf-Herder]

I only surfed over the display periodically but what struck me when I did was
that Cheney was stone faced and goofy Pelosi had the stupidist grin always
on her face I ever saw. What the hell was that? A mask? That of a court
jester in way over her head.

I was totally distracted by Pelosi licking her gums and batting her eyes twice a second. I was looking for it after I saw the David Letterman Show's Cheney-Pelosi "Blink-off" video on YouTube, from the last State of the Union speech. She was doing it again, and I couldn't avert my eyes. It was driving me crazy ... LOL.

I swear she's doing coke in the coatroom.

[mwillman]

I sincerely hope you are right. I would caution you though on your choice of
a career....can it be outsourced or done by a Mexican??? Thats all that
matters anymore.

We are putting our grandson, whom we raised (every penny of it from us not
from the government I might add though we could have sucked off the sow)
though college. His driving interest is technology. Ive tried to tell him it can
all be outsourced but he wont listen and is forging ahead. We are in for a
negative return on his education and I am concerned that he is in for a huge
disappointment after a lot of hard work.

I do sincerely hope you are right and its good to see a positive post for a
change though I cannot find the heart to come up with one of my own.


Accually Cat Slave technology is a very strong career path that pays very well. Technology is needed in every industry these days and so as long as there is business in this country there will be a need for technologists.

Most studies show that we need more engineers, scientists, and Comp sci's not less. Tech outsourcing is limited to the lower end jobs like tech support and even that has slowed down becuase it hasn't proven to be as cost effective as had been hoped.

[Moby]

Tech is still good. I plan on making sure that my daughter can do something with her hands that can't be out sourced but I always think that technology is what makes this country grow.

[Cat slave]

I sure hope you guys are right. Thats what my grandson says but what does
he know!:D

[KrisW]

I always think that technology is what makes this country grow.

Well, for the last 20 years, I'd agree, but now it has reached the point of opulence.

I mean do people really NEED 60 inch plasma screens, 30 Mps internet, and picture cell phones????????

Or has 'Big Brother' just conditioned us to THINK we need such things?

[LadyMod at scam.com]

I sure hope you guys are right. Thats what my grandson says but what does
he know!:D

Apparently a lot more than Grandma who is paying for the education.

Technology is not only a good field but one that is expanding, not downsizing.

Parts might be outsourced but not all of it.


Lady Mod