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Bill
01-30-2008, 04:14 AM
I had no idea... The father of modern economics.

http://www.moreintelligentlife.com/node/824

Keynes was never a closeted homosexual, although his colleagues at Bretton Woods in 1945 didn't always realise it, perhaps because at those conferences he was accompanied by the Russian ballerina Lydia Lopokova, his wife of twenty years. By then he was the eminent economist and statesman, and possibly no longer on the prowl.

In earlier days, though, from 1901 to 1915 when he was mostly a 20-something, he cruised constantly and kept two sex diaries of his success. Luckily Keynes was a pack-rat, so we have both of these documents, among a mass of J.M. Keynes memorabilia housed in the modern archives at King's College, Cambridge, (They are reproduced in "Maynard Keynes: An Economist's Biography", by D. E. Moggridge, albeit in an appendix labelled "A Key for the Prurient.")

Keynes obsessively counted and tabulated almost everything; it was a life-long habit. As a child, he counted the number of front steps of every house on his street. Later he kept a running record (not surprisingly) of his expenses and his golf scores. He also counted and tabulated his sex life.

The first diary is easy: Keynes lists his sexual partners, either by their initials (GLS for Lytton Strachey, DG for Duncan Grant) or their nicknames ("Tressider," for J. T. Sheppard, the King's College Provost). When he apparently had a quick, anonymous hook-up, he listed that sex partner generically: "16-year-old under Etna" and "Lift boy of Vauxhall" in 1911, for instance, and "Jew boy," in 1912.

disrupter
02-15-2008, 12:05 AM
Is the agile mind more oft than not a sexually active mind?

Are/is mind health integral with excitability from stimulus & with males especially an openness to [interpretation as] erotic stimulus?

Sex is one of the fundamental pillars of mental drives, along with immediate hunger, thirst, breathing & need to evacuate pressing materials from the body. Of these it & perhaps eating may be more potentially elaborate & complex than most of the others.

Compare the presidency of Bill Clinton & Bush II.
Certainly not conclusive, but potentially informational.

Perhaps one can have a rich psychodelica that is largely divorced from all these baser drives, but rational integration demands that it have at least some tangental connection to them.
Although pure theoretical math & other logic theory might defy that somewhat, although even there ego [with sexual & social import] does play at least some part for most people.
There might be rare individuals that are just neurotically [inspirationally] pre-possessed to pursue certain courses of though almost in denial of their physical existence.

Sensitivity, granularity & internality of mind probably play some part in what basis a mind operates on.
Makes me wonder what unuttered things have been lost from humanities ongoing development because it was not vocalized or expressed. Do great treasures of the mind compel one to express them? or is it completely fickle & arbitrary? Is anything intrinsically a treasure or is that always relative & a matter of interpretation?
Many stupid things get expressed with certitude, how many things have we lost to the realms of uncertainty & insecurity of mind?.

god how i do love to hear myself go on.
please out of polite kindness, do not answer that.
thx.