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Bill
01-28-2008, 05:20 AM
Amazing, and chilling, article on how the planet's political powers are changing and leaving america behind.

A challenging read, but some really great stuff here.

Unfortunately, if it's true, the US has been trapped by the republicans - we are now permanently behind europe and china, and those two are creating the new world order we failed to inspire.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/magazine/27world-t.html?&pagewanted=all

The Geopolitical Marketplace

At best, America’s unipolar moment lasted through the 1990s, but that was also a decade adrift. The post-cold-war “peace dividend” was never converted into a global liberal order under American leadership. So now, rather than bestriding the globe, we are competing — and losing — in a geopolitical marketplace alongside the world’s other superpowers: the European Union and China. This is geopolitics in the 21st century: the new Big Three. Not Russia, an increasingly depopulated expanse run by Gazprom.gov; not an incoherent Islam embroiled in internal wars; and not India, lagging decades behind China in both development and strategic appetite. The Big Three make the rules — their own rules — without any one of them dominating. And the others are left to choose their suitors in this post-American world.

The more we appreciate the differences among the American, European and Chinese worldviews, the more we will see the planetary stakes of the new global game. Previous eras of balance of power have been among European powers sharing a common culture. The cold war, too, was not truly an “East-West” struggle; it remained essentially a contest over Europe. What we have today, for the first time in history, is a global, multicivilizational, multipolar battle.

In Europe’s capital, Brussels, technocrats, strategists and legislators increasingly see their role as being the global balancer between America and China. Jorgo Chatzimarkakis, a German member of the European Parliament, calls it “European patriotism.” The Europeans play both sides, and if they do it well, they profit handsomely. It’s a trend that will outlast both President Nicolas Sarkozy of France, the self-described “friend of America,” and Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany, regardless of her visiting the Crawford ranch. It may comfort American conservatives to point out that Europe still lacks a common army; the only problem is that it doesn’t really need one. Europeans use intelligence and the police to apprehend radical Islamists, social policy to try to integrate restive Muslim populations and economic strength to incorporate the former Soviet Union and gradually subdue Russia. Each year European investment in Turkey grows as well, binding it closer to the E.U. even if it never becomes a member. And each year a new pipeline route opens transporting oil and gas from Libya, Algeria or Azerbaijan to Europe. What other superpower grows by an average of one country per year, with others waiting in line and begging to join?

Robert Kagan famously said that America hails from Mars and Europe from Venus, but in reality, Europe is more like Mercury — carrying a big wallet. The E.U.’s market is the world’s largest, European technologies more and more set the global standard and European countries give the most development assistance. And if America and China fight, the world’s money will be safely invested in European banks. Many Americans scoffed at the introduction of the euro, claiming it was an overreach that would bring the collapse of the European project. Yet today, Persian Gulf oil exporters are diversifying their currency holdings into euros, and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran has proposed that OPEC no longer price its oil in “worthless” dollars. President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela went on to suggest euros. It doesn’t help that Congress revealed its true protectionist colors by essentially blocking the Dubai ports deal in 2006. With London taking over (again) as the world’s financial capital for stock listing, it’s no surprise that China’s new state investment fund intends to locate its main Western offices there instead of New York. Meanwhile, America’s share of global exchange reserves has dropped to 65 percent. Gisele Bündchen demands to be paid in euros, while Jay-Z drowns in 500 euro notes in a recent video. American soft power seems on the wane even at home.

And Europe’s influence grows at America’s expense. While America fumbles at nation-building, Europe spends its money and political capital on locking peripheral countries into its orbit. Many poor regions of the world have realized that they want the European dream, not the American dream. Africa wants a real African Union like the E.U.; we offer no equivalent. Activists in the Middle East want parliamentary democracy like Europe’s, not American-style presidential strongman rule. Many of the foreign students we shunned after 9/11 are now in London and Berlin: twice as many Chinese study in Europe as in the U.S. We didn’t educate them, so we have no claims on their brains or loyalties as we have in decades past. More broadly, America controls legacy institutions few seem to want — like the International Monetary Fund — while Europe excels at building new and sophisticated ones modeled on itself. The U.S. has a hard time getting its way even when it dominates summit meetings — consider the ill-fated Free Trade Area of the Americas — let alone when it’s not even invited, as with the new East Asian Community, the region’s answer to America’s Apec.

Moby
01-28-2008, 10:27 AM
So sad yet so true :( We're getting closer to Sean Hannity's America every day and further away from leadership.

mwillman
01-28-2008, 03:25 PM
This country has had the highest standard of living in the world since before the revolution. I think it was Churchill that said "when america sneezes the world gets a cold." We will survive this down turn like we always do with hard work and determination. We have survived much worse and done just fine.

We are not in a competition with Europe and Asia. Them doing well does not mean we have to suffer. This country has been powerfull for the last 50 years becuase most of the world was blown to hell during WW2 and it has taken them this long to rebuild to the point were they can now thrive on their own.

If we put aside Imperial behavior and focus on making this nation the best it can be we can not only survive but thrive for many years to come. As long as we continue to focus on fear we will just keep digging the hole deeper.

Bill
01-28-2008, 05:36 PM
If we put aside Imperial behavior and focus on making this nation the best it can be we can not only survive but thrive for many years to come. As long as we continue to focus on fear we will just keep digging the hole deeper.

We can't put aside imperial behavior because our whole civilization is based on oil and exotic metals, the vast majority of which come from distant countries.

And now, according to that article, europe and china have used the last 7 years to consiloidate their holds on oil and resources, while we were terrified by the terrifying terrorists.

You think that europe and china are going to say to us, "Hey, you guys need this oil more than us, here, you can have it?".

If we started switching to an electricity economy, you could be right, but we aren't and we won't. Once a superpower starts falling behind, especially one as hated as the US, who's going to help them catch up?

disrupter
01-28-2008, 09:27 PM
Our relationship with the world is not irrelevant, or unimportant, but for ourselves it is what is our structured relationships with ourselves that is most crucial. That is equally true for everyone.

The universal is spherical in nature, we float in space & time,
our structures must be built in, of & out of ourselves & be related to ourselves.
We are our own center by default. We have to reach out from our muddy source with strength & committment against our own excess self-indulgence.
We must strive to be noble, think/plan clearly, act with elegance/efficiency.
We must leap beyond ourselves & view ourselves critically from that vantage point. That is where we think most objectively.

It matters, but something else matters more, will always matter more.

Bill
01-29-2008, 04:07 AM
While true enough, disrupter, also arcane.

Shifting ones perspective to the universal is an option only available to a few.

mwillman
01-29-2008, 03:03 PM
We can't put aside imperial behavior because our whole civilization is based on oil and exotic metals, the vast majority of which come from distant countries.

And now, according to that article, europe and china have used the last 7 years to consiloidate their holds on oil and resources, while we were terrified by the terrifying terrorists.

You think that europe and china are going to say to us, "Hey, you guys need this oil more than us, here, you can have it?".

If we started switching to an electricity economy, you could be right, but we aren't and we won't. Once a superpower starts falling behind, especially one as hated as the US, who's going to help them catch up?

I disagree Bill.

This nation has more innovative and creative talent then any place on earth.

We are more then capable of removing our need for foreign oil. We just need a government that isnt in the pockets of the oil industry. I hope and believe that this next election will give us the opportunity to make the changes we need to start removing our addiction to oil and begin the work it will take to create a renewable energy revolution.

PG&E is the energy company here in northern and central california and they already create 30% of their energy from renewable sources with government support I believe that can be increased to more then 60% within 10 years if we just put in the effort and finacial support that is needed.

That can be done all over this nation if we just get to work on fixing problems and stop feeding the greedy.

Bill
01-29-2008, 05:44 PM
I disagree Bill.

This nation has more innovative and creative talent then any place on earth.
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We'll see.

These problems have been on the horizon for decades - europe has been preparing for this for decades, they have the best energy technology in the world - china has been building a coal electric plant every week - we're the only ones who have been falling behind.

I don't see any sign of american creativity dealing with these questions.

What you are saying sounds like the stock "the professionals will save us, don't worry" answer that we keep hearing from the media.

But we'll see. Maybe america will reverse course in the next decade - because it sure isn't doing anything about this now.

The CEO of SHELL oil says that the east, middle east, and europe are going to continue to grow, despite the expectations of a recession in the US.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUKL2417003720080124?rpc=401&

"I don't see a real reason for a kind of panic. There may be a bit of slower growth," he said of the U.S. economy.

"Think about the Far East and the Middle East, there's lots of economic growth. I expect positive economic growth for Europe."

"We expect total energy demand in the year 2008 to be higher than the year 2007. That's very relevant for our industry."