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Bill
01-25-2008, 06:21 PM
Saudi Arabia is struggling to pump 9 milllion barrels a day - and ignored Bush's begging that they pump more last week.

Iraqs Shia oil minister says Iraq will pump 8 Million BPD in non-OPEC oil in ten years.

Saudi Arabia is already planning to deal with this - you know how? By building three giant industrial cities devoted to producing aluminum, steel, and fertilizers. They will keep the oil for themselves, and turn themselves into an industrial superpower. It's a brilliant strategy, the perfect revenge for our handing Iraq to the Shia controlled from Iran.

You didn't know about SA's plan to become an industrial supergiant? Let me guess - you don't read much?

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/01/25/ap4576361.html

"We expect to take Iraq to between 6 (million) and 8 million barrels a day ... in about 10 to 12 years," Oil Minister Hussein al-Shahristani told The Associated Press Friday on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum, saying most of the extra production would be coming from "green fields" identified but not yet exploited.

Such estimates are definitely on the high end. Still, the big oil companies appear to be believers in the future of Iraq as perhaps the Middle East's last oil frontier - and are already trying to gain the best toehold in a contest that in part pits Russia's state-linked sector against major players from the United States and Europe.

"All the majors and the minor oil companies have shown a great interest including the Russians, obviously," al-Shahristani said as he took a break from meeting key figures in the industry for an interview in the lobby of his hotel at this Swiss Alpine resort. "They are all very keen to come and work in Iraq."

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Ehsan ul-Haq, chief analyst at PVM Oil Associates in Vienna, Austria, said the general perception in the industry is "that there are much more possibilities in Iraq than anywhere else in the Middle East."

So who will get the nod? Al-Shahristani says the playing field is level.

"We have been telling everybody ... that ... awarding contracts is going to be (a) transparent, public competition, according to the international industrial norms," he said.

Still considering America's huge footprint in the country, the big U.S. oil companies might have the advantage. And that could deal a setback to Russia's drive to take a bigger share of the energy pie - most recently demonstrated by lucrative pipeline deals and company purchases in the Balkans by gas giant Gazprom.

Al-Shahristani denied any planned favoritism.

"We are not going to look at the nationalities of the companies," he said, adding that U.S. companies hoping to win bids "have to offer the Iraqis the highest return."

"They have to abide by the rules of the game like everybody else," he said.
But Ul-Haq said sentiment is that "the American companies will have the advantage in Iraq, even though the Russians have been trying to improve their relations with the government."

Complicating any bidding are disputes over a proposed oil and gas law, meant to divvy up those resources among Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds - one of the benchmarks sought by the United States to achieve national reconciliation.

The Iraqi Cabinet approved a U.S.-backed draft bill last February and forwarded it to parliament. But parliament, citing legal technicalities, sent it back to the Cabinet. The measure has been bogged down in negotiations ever since.

With national legislation stalled, Kurdish authorities have signed more than a dozen contracts with foreign companies over the objections by Oil Ministry officials in Baghdad, who consider the deals to produce oil in northern Iraq illegal.

Cat slave
01-25-2008, 07:14 PM
And when they did contracts for this abundance of black gold, we were not on
the list. Let them rebuild their own country.:banghead:

Bill
01-25-2008, 07:21 PM
Those Middle Easterners have a flair for architecture...

Here's more on the new Saudi cities, and their plans to become an industrial superpower.

Plastics, aluminum, steel, and fertilizers - the base elements of modern covilization - and Saudi Arabia will keep it's oil, and use it to become a superpower.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/01/20/business/20ssaudi.xlarge1.jpg

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/business/worldbusiness/20saudi.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Amid a forest of cranes, towers and beams rising from the desert, more than 38,000 workers from China, India, Turkey and beyond have been toiling for two years in unforgiving conditions — often in temperatures exceeding 100 degrees — to complete one of the world’s largest petrochemical plants in record time.

By the end of the year, this massive city of steel at the edge of the Red Sea will take its place as a cog of globalization: plastics produced here will be used to make televisions in Japan, cellphones in China and thousands of other products to be sold in the United States and Europe. Construction costs at the plant, which spreads over eight square miles, have doubled to $10 billion because of shortages in materials and labor. The amount of steel being used is 10 times the weight of the Eiffel Tower.

“I’ve worked on many big things in my life, but I’ve never worked on anything this big,” an American project manager mused during a bus tour of the project, called Petro Rabigh, a joint venture of the state-run oil company Saudi Aramco and Sumitomo Chemical of Japan.

Size isn’t the only consideration. The project is Saudi Arabia’s boldest bet yet that this oil-rich kingdom can transform itself into an industrial powerhouse. The plant is part of a $500 billion investment program to build new cities, create millions of jobs and diversify the economy away from petroleum exports over the next two decades.

“The Saudi economy was in idle mode for 20 years,” said John Sfakianakis, the chief economist at SABB, formerly known as the Saudi British Bank, who is based in Riyadh, the Saudi capital. “Today, the feeling here is, ‘We’ve won the lottery; let’s not waste it.’ ”

The kingdom’s lofty economic goals would have been unthinkable without the surge in energy prices that has filled the coffers of oil producers. Oil prices have quadrupled since 2002 and reached $100 a barrel in New York this month.

Persian Gulf countries earned $1.5 trillion in oil revenue from 2002 to 2006, twice as much as in the previous five-year period, according to the Institute of International Finance, a global association of banks that is based in Washington. As the top exporter, Saudi Arabia has been the main beneficiary.

Despite all the recent headlines about Middle East investors bailing out troubled American banks like Citigroup, a growing share of today’s petrodollars are staying at home to finance megaprojects like Petro Rabigh, analysts say. That money is financing the biggest economic boom in a generation, helping to build not only the high-rises of Dubai, where the world’s tallest tower is going up, but also telecommunications networks, roads and universities throughout the Middle East.

Abu Dhabi is planning to spend close to $1 billion for a new museum with the help of the Louvre, in Paris. Dubai’s latest grandiose idea is to build a small-scale replica of the French city of Lyon, complete with residential housing, a museum, a culinary school and a soccer club.

In Saudi Arabia, Riyadh looks like a boom town: sprawling over 40 miles, it is teeming with shopping malls, electronics stores and luxury boutiques. But while times are good today, many Saudis realize that their country is locked in a race against time to create industries that produce more than just oil in order to keep a young and growing population employed. The kingdom, which has a population of 24.5 million, including nearly 7 million foreigners, has what one analyst called a “human time bomb.” About 40 percent of Saudis are under 15, and because the country has one of the world’s highest birth rates, the population is expected to reach nearly 40 million by 2025.

“It has been a social, and therefore a political, imperative of the Saudi government to develop the economy and to create employment opportunities,” said Timothy S. Gray, the chief executive of HSBC Saudi Arabia.

That could well mean that higher oil prices are here to stay. One paradox of modern-day Saudi Arabia is that while it seeks to reduce the importance of petroleum to its economy, it needs those exports more than ever.

Cat slave
01-25-2008, 08:58 PM
Any farmers there?

Moby
01-26-2008, 12:47 AM
Saudi Arabia is already a Super Power just like The UAE. We just haven't admitted it yet.

Right now 10% of our $3 Trillion budget goes to interest on loans. That's increasing at an alarming rate.

20 years from now we're going to owe Saudi Arabia over a Trillion Dollars in interest every year. Since we will never pay down the debt we will owe that to them forever. They will do nothing and collect huge amounts of money from us and our grand children.

They're investing in their future as they will have the USA as their money slave forever.

Cat slave
01-26-2008, 12:18 PM
That is true. I dont think SA is the danger to us that China is though. It
would be better not to be in debt to anyone but theres worse than SA.
I think weve been sold that bill of goods about globalism and this is part of it.
We give them more of our hides and they give us money....its all in the "community"....or so some think. We probably have some rude awakenings
down the road.

Frankg
01-26-2008, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by Bill
Saudi Arabia is struggling to pump 9 milllion barrels a day - and ignored Bush's begging that they pump more last week

Saudis to Increase Oil Output Capacity
By RAJESH MAHAPATRA
The Associated Press
Thursday, January 18, 2007; 5:31 AM

NEW DELHI -- Saudi Arabia plans to increase its crude oil production capacity nearly 40 percent by 2009 and double its refining size over the next five years to keep pace with growing global demand, the country's oil minister said Thursday.
Ali Naimi said the plans are part of a $80-billion-commitment that Saudi Arabia _ the world's biggest oil exporter _ has made to increase oil supplies in the global market.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/18/AR2007011800253.html

Cat slave
01-26-2008, 09:36 PM
They are going to be up the creek when theyve pumped out all the oil!
Thats all that I know of that they have going for them.....except of course
the astromical wealth they have amassed!!!

Moby
01-26-2008, 11:13 PM
They are going to be up the creek when theyve pumped out all the oil!
Thats all that I know of that they have going for them.....except of course
the astromical wealth they have amassed!!!
That's why the love George W. Bush so much. A lot of the $3.5 Trillion that we've borrowed on his watch was borrowed from SA. We will never be allowed to pay the money back so our children will continue to pay interest on these loans forever.

Interest payments from the USA is a large and growing part of their economy.

Bill
01-27-2008, 12:23 AM
Saudi Arabia is already a Super Power just like The UAE. We just haven't admitted it yet.

Oh, right now they are just a filthy rich banana republic - wealth based on natural resources, no advanced industrial base.

I don't condsider a country or group of countries a superpower untill they can manufacture quantities of advanced weapons.

But, if they build these big indutrial cities like they are saying, they'll be able to build advanced missiles, and be only a few steps away from creating new weapons technologies, which is pretty much the essence of superpowerdom.

God guaranteed they were going to be incredibly important in this century when he put the oil under them. But they have the potential of becoming world rulers, if we can't switch away from the oil economy in time.

Moby
01-27-2008, 01:45 AM
Oh, right now they are just a filthy rich banana republic - wealth based on natural resources, no advanced industrial base.

I don't condsider a country or group of countries a superpower untill they can manufacture quantities of advanced weapons.

But, if they build these big indutrial cities like they are saying, they'll be able to build advanced missiles, and be only a few steps away from creating new weapons technologies, which is pretty much the essence of superpowerdom.

God guaranteed they were going to be incredibly important in this century when he put the oil under them. But they have the potential of becoming world rulers, if we can't switch away from the oil economy in time.
Another 20 years of of the republican borrow and spend policy and we will owe them more money in interest then we can put forth into defense. When that happens they can rule us and the administration is close enough to the royal family that they can still feel in control.

Cat slave
01-27-2008, 12:09 PM
That's why the love George W. Bush so much. A lot of the $3.5 Trillion that we've borrowed on his watch was borrowed from SA. We will never be allowed to pay the money back so our children will continue to pay interest on these loans forever.

Interest payments from the USA is a large and growing part of their economy.

Im afraid youre right. I thought I would throw up with their hand holding and
Bush wearing their clothes.

Nothings going to change until we have some leadership that puts our interests
first beyond their buddies bottom lines. Weve been sold out like a bunch of
chattels.

And we could get our own energy if dirt people didnt fight everything. And
Kennedy having a problem with windmills in the ocean.....they would be pretty
and would generate energy but of course money talks far above anything
else. I heard something a while back about China trying to buy up rights to
drill off the continental shelf....ours! And what do we do? Sit on our hands
like a bunch of mutes while we get absorbed by the overpopulated nations
we have to share the earth with and live on plastic and IOUs.....like the
ones that replaced our SS trust fund that doesnt exist. Why doesnt someone
put America first? Oh, yeah, its the money stupid!!! Answered my own
question.:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: