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Moby
01-24-2008, 02:47 PM
If they're going to force me to take a loan that I can never pay back and my daughter's children will still be paying Saudi Arabia and China interest on it I think I'm just going to put the money into my daughter's college fund.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080124/ap_on_go_co/economy_stimulus_407
By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer
17 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Congressional leaders completed a deal Thursday with the White House on an economic stimulus package that would give most tax filers refunds of $600 to $1,200, and more if they have children.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Republican Leader John Boehner scheduled a news conference for 1:30 p.m. EST to announce the $150 billion package, hammered out in a week of intense negotiations with Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson.

Congressional aides, speaking on condition of anonymity because the deal had not yet been announced, said they hope the checks could go out as early as June.

Individuals who pay income taxes would get up to $600, working couples $1,200 and those couples with children an additional $300 per child under the deal. Workers who make at least $3,000 but don't pay taxes would get $300 rebates.

The rebate part of the plan would cost about $100 billion, aides said. The package also includes close to $50 billion in business tax cuts.

The package would allow businesses to immediately write off 50 percent of purchases of plants and other capital equipment and permit small businesses to write off additional purchases of equipment. A Republican-written provision to allow businesses suffering losses now to reclaim taxes previously paid was dropped.

Pelosi, D-Calif., agreed to drop increases in food stamp and unemployment benefits during a Wednesday meeting in exchange for gaining rebates of at least $300 for almost everyone earning a paycheck, including low-income earners who make too little to pay income taxes.

The rebates would phase out gradually for individuals whose income exceeds $75,000 and couples with incomes above $150,000, aides said. Individuals with incomes up to $87,000 and couples up to $174,000 would get partial rebates. The caps rise higher for individuals and couples with children.

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., scheduled a meeting of the Senate Finance Committee for next week to consider the stimulus package.

"The Senate will want to speak, as well," Baucus said, adding that he and Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa, the panel's senior Republican, had "agreed to work together, move quickly, and mark up economic stimulus legislation next week."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said the goal is to send the package to the White House by Feb. 15 for President Bush's signature

Bush has supported larger rebates of $800-$1,600, but his plan would have left out 30 million working households who earn paychecks but don't make enough to pay income tax, according to calculations by the Urban Institute-Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center. An additional 19 million households would receive only partial rebates under Bush's initial proposal.

To address the mortgage crisis, the package also raises the limits on Federal Housing Administration loans and home mortgages that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac can purchase to as high as $725,000 in high-cost areas. Those are considerable boosts over the current FHA limit of $362,000 and the $417,000 cap for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's loan purchases.

After a key Wednesday night meeting in which the parameters of an agreement were reached, Pelosi and Boehner spoke again Thursday to cement the accord.

In the talks, Pelosi pressed to make sure tax relief would find its way into the hands of lower-income earners while Boehner pushed to include upper middle-class couples, according to congressional aides.

The emerging package was already drawing fire from liberal activists and labor unions upset that proposals to extend unemployment insurance and boost food stamps had been dropped. Many Democratic lawmakers had assumed those proposals would make it into the package, and critics of the deal said those ideas could pump money into the economy more quickly than tax rebate checks that won't be delivered until June.

Democrats wanted to extend unemployment benefits for people whose 26 weeks of benefits have run out, but Republicans resisted.

Conservative Republicans, meanwhile, were likely to be restless over tax rebates going to those without income tax liability.

Democratic aides said greater GOP flexibility over giving relief to poor families with children — who would not have been eligible under Bush's original tax rebate proposal — was the catalyst that moved the talks forward.

Im a Bad Girl
01-24-2008, 03:32 PM
Workers who make at least $3,000 but don't pay taxes would get $300 rebates.


What the hell is that all about? If they don't pay taxes they are more than likely already receiving an earned income payment compliments of the workers who are paying taxes.

So WHY are they also going to get a rebate?

kres24GT
01-24-2008, 03:35 PM
This is so stupid.

"The economy stinks, we have to give Americans their money back!!!" How about just stop stealing so much of it in the first place. Stop using tax dollars to buy votes from poor, old, and stupid people. Stop buying campaign contributions from big business and K-street.

Cut fucking spending. For the love of God, cut it.

UserName
01-24-2008, 03:56 PM
I simply can't understand why the rich aren't getting a huge rebate check. After all, aren't they the ones that make the economy work? Isn't "trickle-down" economics the answer to all the economic evils? Didn't Republicans tell us "The more grain the horses eat, the better the birds are fed"?

Perhaps Republicans have come to realize that the birds don't really like eating manure. Maybe they now realize that putting money in the hands of those who will spend it is better than giving it to those who won't. I imagine Ronnie is spinning in his grave.

kres24GT
01-24-2008, 04:01 PM
Hopefully people will save this money or use it to pay down debt.

UserName
01-24-2008, 04:09 PM
Hopefully people will save this money or use it to pay down debt.

Buying down your debt is the first thing anyone should do. The huge debt load being carried by average Americans is staggering and is the principal cause of this current crisis.

kres24GT
01-24-2008, 04:13 PM
Buying down your debt is the first thing anyone should do. The huge debt load being carried by average Americans is staggering and is the principal cause of this current crisis.


I agree with you but it was joke, this money is going straight to rims, big screen TVs, cell phone ring tones, and NASCAR season tickets.

Moby
01-24-2008, 04:16 PM
What the hell is that all about? If they don't pay taxes they are more than likely already receiving an earned income payment compliments of the workers who are paying taxes.

So WHY are they also going to get a rebate?
These workers still end up paying pay roll taxes but they don't pay income tax. These are also the people most likely to put the money immediately back into the economy since they don't have much to begin with.

Moby
01-24-2008, 04:20 PM
I agree with you but it was joke, this money is going straight to rims, big screen TVs, cell phone ring tones, and NASCAR season tickets.
If I don't put it into a college fund I'll save wand use it towards my daughter's Chinese lessons. I plan on starting her around 3rd or 4th grade. She's going to need it.

UserName
01-24-2008, 04:23 PM
I agree with you but it was joke, this money is going straight to rims, big screen TVs, cell phone ring tones, and NASCAR season tickets.
YOU DA MAN!:D

Little Red Dog
01-24-2008, 04:28 PM
I agree with you but it was joke, this money is going straight to rims, big screen TVs, cell phone ring tones, and NASCAR season tickets.

Sad, but probably true...:(

bigfootzx
01-24-2008, 05:34 PM
Well the good news is, we are closer to tax hikes than we have been in the last 7+ years. Raising taxes and spending cuts are the only way to reduce debt. Giving away money is stupid, reminds me of the Helicopter Ben story all over again.

UserName
01-24-2008, 06:24 PM
Raising taxes and spending cuts are the only way to reduce debt.

Wha?? You mean we can't spend our way out of debt? You realize this is not going to go over well with the GOP.

hdmarketing
01-24-2008, 06:28 PM
Hopefully people will save this money or use it to pay down debt.

Sadly the money will be squandered, then Bush will be blamed.

Mark My Words!

hdmarketing
01-24-2008, 06:30 PM
Well the good news is, we are closer to tax hikes than we have been in the last 7+ years. Raising taxes and spending cuts are the only way to reduce debt. Giving away money is stupid, reminds me of the Helicopter Ben story all over again.

Ok, then why don't you just return YOUR check and not cash it.

Better yet why don't you take your refund and just give it to a homless person, I bet they will be more than glad to have it.

bigfootzx
01-24-2008, 07:01 PM
Ok, then why don't you just return YOUR check and not cash it.

Better yet why don't you take your refund and just give it to a homless person, I bet they will be more than glad to have it.

Good idea, donate the funds to charity, that will piss'em off.

Or we could all overpay our taxes by $600 or whatever amount
you qualifiy for and pay the Fed back for money we don't need.

UserName
01-24-2008, 07:11 PM
Ok, then why don't you just return YOUR check and not cash it.

Better yet why don't you take your refund and just give it to a homless person, I bet they will be more than glad to have it.

You know, my first thought was to build a huge steel mill. Nothing says good times like a huge hulking industrial colossus belching smoke, soot and flame, the smell of sulfur in the air and the feel of grit on the skin. But the neighbors would complain.

bigfootzx
01-24-2008, 07:24 PM
You know, my first thought was to build a huge steel mill. Nothing says good times like a huge hulking industrial colossus belching smoke, soot and flame, the smell of sulfur in the air and the feel of grit on the skin. But the neighbors would complain.

E85 Ethanol stills are cheap, one of the buy products of making E85 is alcohol, maybe the neighbors would not mind a still, lol.
http://e85machines.com/

Businesses get $50 billion in incentives, oh well!


From Briefing.com
Stocks rose to their best levels around 1:30 ET when House leaders Pelosi, Boehner and Treasury Secretary Paulson announced their bipartisan $150 billion fiscal stimulus plan. Individuals who earn up to $75,000 will be eligible for a $600 check and couples who earn up to $150,000 will be eligible for $1,200, according to reports and Paulson's comments. Individuals who do not pay income tax, but have earned more than $3,000 will be eligible for a $300 check. Parents will get $300 per child. Businesses will get $50 billion in incentives. Checks could begin going in May, according to Paulson.

CNBC reports the stimulus includes loan limit increases for GSE and FHA home loans to 125% of an area's median home price, up to $730,000. The current cap is $362,000 for GSE loans and $417,000 for FHA purchases. The increase would be temporary, lasting until the end of the year.

hdmarketing
01-24-2008, 07:30 PM
E85 Ethanol stills are cheap, one of the buy products of making E85 is alcohol, maybe the neighbors would not mind a still, lol.
http://e85machines.com/

Businesses get $50 billion in incentives, oh well!


From Briefing.com
Stocks rose to their best levels around 1:30 ET when House leaders Pelosi, Boehner and Treasury Secretary Paulson announced their bipartisan $150 billion fiscal stimulus plan. Individuals who earn up to $75,000 will be eligible for a $600 check and couples who earn up to $150,000 will be eligible for $1,200, according to reports and Paulson's comments. Individuals who do not pay income tax, but have earned more than $3,000 will be eligible for a $300 check. Parents will get $300 per child. Businesses will get $50 billion in incentives. Checks could begin going in May, according to Paulson.

CNBC reports the stimulus includes loan limit increases for GSE and FHA home loans to 125% of an area's median home price, up to $730,000. The current cap is $362,000 for GSE loans and $417,000 for FHA purchases. The increase would be temporary, lasting until the end of the year.


So are you now saying this is a good idea?
Because Pelosi is taking credit for it?

Remember, who originaly brought it up?

bigfootzx
01-24-2008, 07:35 PM
no, making a joke of hdmarketings response, but you already know that if you read it correctly.

Frankg
01-24-2008, 07:45 PM
You people are something else , you piss and moan about getting a tax refund, and that's 600$ per household member !

You all sound like you have some major self-loathing issues going on

Are liberal's ever happy ?

bigfootzx
01-24-2008, 07:49 PM
They should have called it a "Trickel Down Stimulus Package", the GOP would have liked it better, lol.

UserName
01-24-2008, 07:52 PM
E85 Ethanol stills are cheap, one of the buy products of making E85 is alcohol, maybe the neighbors would not mind a still, lol.


I like it already. I could sure get a lot more use out of my old barstool.

Frankg
01-24-2008, 08:03 PM
I like it already. I could sure get a lot more use out of my old barstool.

Geez, that looks like a little kid's chair http://bestsmileys.com/lol/15.gif

UserName
01-24-2008, 08:29 PM
Geez, that looks like a little kid's chair http://bestsmileys.com/lol/15.gif

What is it about you Republicans that every time there is something remotely sexual posted, you immediately think about children.:confused:

bigfootzx
01-24-2008, 08:43 PM
What is it about you Republicans that every time there is something remotely sexual posted, you immediately think about children.:confused:

Maybe he had Hillary in mind ? Little kid balls are all she has at best, lol.

hdmarketing
01-24-2008, 08:47 PM
I like it already. I could sure get a lot more use out of my old barstool.

UN, that's a cool chair man!

Hey have you ever seen those BarStool races?
Now that's some funny shit.:lmao2:

Also the Lawn Mower races.

UserName
01-24-2008, 08:47 PM
Maybe he had Hillary in mind ? Little kid balls are all she has at best, lol.

No, franks a perv, plain and simple.

Im a Bad Girl
01-24-2008, 08:49 PM
They should have called it a "Trickel Down Stimulus Package", the GOP would have liked it better, lol.

You know? I'm surprised that they didn't think of that! lol

Im a Bad Girl
01-24-2008, 08:51 PM
What is it about you Republicans that every time there is something remotely sexual posted, you immediately think about children.:confused:


Hahaha!!! That is so like a Republican...

Little Red Dog
01-24-2008, 10:39 PM
You people are something else , you piss and moan about getting a tax refund, and that's 600$ per household member !

You all sound like you have some major self-loathing issues going on

Are liberal's ever happy ?

You mean piss and moan like this?:

Sadly the money will be squandered, then Bush will be blamed.

Mark My Words!

Dude, bi-partisan agreement. It's a drop in the bucket. And the bucket has a very big hole.

Moby
01-24-2008, 10:53 PM
You people are something else , you piss and moan about getting a tax refund, and that's 600$ per household member !
Frank, don't you understand. Do you know where that $600 is coming from? It's coming from Saudi Arabia and China. We have to borrow the money because of the debt that the Neoconservatives have created.

They're calling it a tax refund but it's a loan. It's from Osama Bin Laden's home land and Communist China.

I don't want to borrow more money from them. I would rather that we have a strong nation.

Moby
01-24-2008, 10:54 PM
What is it about you Republicans that every time there is something remotely sexual posted, you immediately think about children.:confused:
Is it the church upbringing? :disbelief:

Moby
01-24-2008, 10:59 PM
So are you now saying this is a good idea?
Because Pelosi is taking credit for it?

Remember, who originaly brought it up?
Wasn't it Hillary and Obama that brought it up first :lmao2:

This is what we have to do to fix Bush's economy. It's not enough. We have to invest borrowed in something for the future like tech and energy instead of investing in more Chinese made goods.