View Full Version : So, whattya say, insult or not?
I'm talking about the Kerry thing.
When I first heard it, my reaction was that it was pretty much true.
If you grow up where I grew up, when you're 18 or so, you can go to college, go to the army, or get a shit job.
Used to be you could get a half decent job, at least one with the future hope of better pay and benefits. Not so much anymore.
So, you got a basic choice - go to college, if you can get in and afford it, or go into the army.
That's pretty much how I interpreted it.
I was lucky. I went to college. It was a lot more affordable in those days.
stefan segal
11-01-2006, 09:23 AM
When I was a kid...it was pretty much the same except the shit job part.
Everyone was expected to take a shit job...it was where everyone started from to work their way up...up as high as thier industry and skills would take them...there wasn't the prejudice against aptitude and pro class, in the circles I was privy to...of course I did do some time in a rich man's school 9th grade, and my male counterparts already had seats reserved for them in banking and on the broker's floor...but that was the elete...not the norm.
Stefan
"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well," Kerry said. "If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
Somethings you don't say even if they are true. While most of the long time military guys I know did choose the military over the gas station, mine, factory ..... That doesn't mean that none of them had decent options. I know two guys in nuke school and they both had scholarships in the private sector but chose to serve.
While you could make a very strong case for Kerry being right, he's an idiot for saying it. He kind of did the same thing 2 years ago. He simply self destructed weeks before the election and it looks like he's doing it again.
stefan segal
11-01-2006, 10:38 AM
Moby...he botched his script...he was to say:
If you don't do your homework, skip classes and flunk out, you might become commander in chief.
It was a slam against bush...of course, but he slipped back into what was familiar to him...which were the days of the enforced draft...understandable , but unfortunate.
I would never hang my chances on kerry...he's skull & bones for one, and it's too hard to separate ineptitude from treachery in attempting to sort out his loyalties.
Other than that...I will never exonerate him from his conceeding even before the votes could be counted...it truely demonstrates what the man is made of...whether you judge him as a skull & bones, handing the seat over to his brother bonesman, or as a true political contender...in which case, rather than being treatcherous slime, he proves to be of frail stuff...chicked-livered, with a propensity toward running to hide under the porch...not foundational material either way.
Stefan
It's just gotten to be the only thing the republicans have anymore.
"I take offense at this...".
"I take offense at that...".
No ideas, no plans, no vision, just endless offense and dirty tricks.
Abnormalia
11-01-2006, 07:12 PM
You know, the first time I heard this, I thought he was talking about Bush, and not about the troops. AKA, Bush didn't do his homework, was stupid, etc, and is now stuck in Iraq.
But maybe that's not what he meant. Either way, he's not running for anything, right? *laughs*
mksmith2
11-01-2006, 07:32 PM
Somethings you don't say even if they are true.
I think you nailed it right on the head with this one. Granted I am a product of those rich man's schools, but either way why would you say something like that when you are a public figure?
It's just gotten to be the only thing the republicans have anymore.
"I take offense at this...".
"I take offense at that...".
No ideas, no plans, no vision, just endless offense and dirty tricks.
They've been playing the be angry and stupid card for 6 years now. That's all they've had since Reagan.
I think you nailed it right on the head with this one. Granted I am a product of those rich man's schools, but either way why would you say something like that when you are a public figure?
I think he feels that since he did fight in a war that he can make these statements since he's saying it about himself. It's kind of like a black person making black jokes.
While I think Kerry is an idiot, I don't think anyone that has not been in a war should criticize a man that has been for what he says about like himself.
Bob C
11-02-2006, 12:09 PM
Typical, avoid being angry at those who sent us there ILLEGALLY and be angry about a sentence! I am offended by those who profit from war, I am offended by being told there were WMD's when there were none, I am offended by being told the war would pay for itself when in fact we went to surpress the oil being produced, I am offended by the media who did the cheer leading to bring us to this war profitted so much and I am offended by the death of innocent civilians.
If I want to be offended by jokes, I could be offended by Dubbya's joke he made concerning the finding of WMD's. If I want to to offended by things people say that are true but shouldnt be said I could choose to be offended by Rummy's you go to war with the army you have, not the army you want comment.
This is for some reason being percieved as a reason to vote for republicans. The complete lies told to us from the inception of this war(and the supposed Mission accomplished) should be more of a reason to get out and vote than anything Kerry says.
Consider that in 2003 leading up to the war the Republican House and Senate wanted to investigate the intelligence failures that led to the war-but not leading up to an election. Then after the election they decided it wasnt worth investigating with NO ELECTION on the way.
Offended? By a botched joke? Nah, I think its far more offensive to be lied to. I think its far more offensive that the President "ballparks" CIVILIAN CASUALTIES. I think its far more offensive that no one has asked why the war isnt paying for itself. I think its far more offensive we havent demanded the contractors to do what they have been paid VERY WELL FOR. I find it offensive that Iraq's oil production is far less now than it ever was under Saddam-and the only people who have profitted from a war that would pay for itself have been the Big 5 oil companies and Saudi Arabia.
Yes, I am offended-but nothing Kerry says could ever offend me as much as what the Bush Family Crime Syndicate has told me.
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