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Moby
01-13-2008, 10:46 AM
I think this is a good sign. While many members of the Baath party are certainly criminals many of them had access to education and experience that other Iraqis did not.

It's time to start rebuilding this place. Sure it's happening years later then expected but it's a step in the right direction.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22623291/
BAGHDAD - Iraq's parliament passed a law on Saturday to let members of Saddam Hussein's Baath party return to public life, winning Washington's swift praise for meeting a benchmark aimed at reconciling warring sects.

Washington had been pressing Iraq's Shiite Islamist-led government to pass the new law as one of a series of steps to draw the minority Sunni Arab community that held sway under Saddam closer into the political process.

"This law preserves the rights of the Iraqi people after the crimes committed by the Baath Party while also benefiting the innocent members of the party. This law provides a balance," government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said.

Mirembe Nantongo, U.S. embassy spokeswoman, said: "We congratulate the Iraqi people on the passage of the bill. It is an important step towards national reconciliation and demonstrates that the political process is working in Iraq."

Iraq's failure to pass the bill last year had been seen as one of the main signs that political progress toward reconciliation was stalled even as security improved.

"The law has been passed. We see it as a very good sign of progress and it will greatly benefit Baathists. It was passed smoothly and opposition was small," said Rasheed al-Azzawi, a Sunni member of the committee which helped draft it.

Baathists purged from public life
The Accountability and Justice bill replaces an existing law that Sunnis had complained amounted to collective punishment against their sect.

Washington had introduced de-Baathification when it administered Iraq in 2003-04. A committee was tasked with purging senior Baath Party members from government and tightly restricted the employment of junior party members.

Thousands of Iraqis, many of them Sunni Arabs, were fired from government jobs after Saddam was toppled in the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, fuelling a long-running insurgency against Iraq's new Shiite rulers and U.S. forces.

U.S. officials later acknowledged that the measures went too far and asked for Iraqi leaders to ease them. But Shiite and Kurdish leaders were reluctant to reward people they blamed for persecuting them under Saddam's regime.

Smurf-Herder
01-13-2008, 11:42 AM
I think this is a good sign. While many members of the Baath party are certainly criminals many of them had access to education and experience that other Iraqis did not.

It's time to start rebuilding this place. Sure it's happening years later then expected but it's a step in the right direction.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22623291/

I believe this is one of the benchmarks the Iraqi Parliament was supposed to meet, for political progress.

I don't see things falling back to where they were last year, in terms of general sectarian violence.

Moby
01-13-2008, 11:51 AM
I believe this is one of the benchmarks the Iraqi Parliament was supposed to meet, for political progress.

I don't see things falling back to where they were last year, in terms of general sectarian violence.
Many of the benchmarks keep changing. At first removing all Baath Party members was pushed by the administration. When that turned into a disaster we changed our tune.

Live and learn. Or in this case, enough people die and learn.

Smurf-Herder
01-13-2008, 11:59 AM
Many of the benchmarks keep changing. At first removing all Baath Party members was pushed by the administration. When that turned into a disaster we changed our tune.

Live and learn. Or in this case, enough people die and learn.

It did take the Iraqi parliament a while to reverse that, showing there was a level of distrust concerning Baath Party members.

I keep wondering though, if we had left them in power, with Saddam still being alive at the time, would we have just presented ourselves with a different set of problems?

Moby
01-13-2008, 12:13 PM
I keep wondering though, if we had left them in power, with Saddam still being alive at the time, would we have just presented ourselves with a different set of problems?
Of course there would be a different set of problems. There's no way around that. I just don't think the set of problems would have cost American tax payers $800 Billion and 4,000 lives. There's still a long way to go.

Once we had all the troops in Saudi Arabia I can't help but wonder what would have happened if we just sent someone there to talk to Saddam. Tell him to get out or we come in.

I guess trying direct diplomacy wasn't worth the time or money.

Smurf-Herder
01-13-2008, 12:21 PM
Of course there would be a different set of problems. There's no way around that. I just don't think the set of problems would have cost American tax payers $800 Billion and 4,000 lives. There's still a long way to go.

Once we had all the troops in Saudi Arabia I can't help but wonder what would have happened if we just sent someone there to talk to Saddam. Tell him to get out or we come in.

I guess trying direct diplomacy wasn't worth the time or money.

But I wonder if some Baath Party members might have tried to sabotage the government, to try and bring Saddam back to power.

asroc
01-14-2008, 11:13 AM
In Saddam-era Iraq you HAD to be a Baathist to do anything beyond menial labor, or even own property. So, basically you have 95% of the Baathists who were apolitical, who just wanted to work and provide for their families.