New evidence sparks uncertainty over US-Iran naval incident

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Busted!!!! Just proves what Ron Paul was saying in the Debate, the U.S. is looking, if not manufacturing a reason to go to war with Iran. Thanks for the link RG.


New evidence sparks uncertainty over US-Iran naval incident in Hormuz (http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0111/p99s01-duts.html)

Iranian video shows apparently routine activity by Iranian patrol boats, while Pentagon officials say radio threat may not have been from Iranian forces.

By Arthur Bright
from the January 12, 2008 edition

An Iranian video of Sunday's naval confrontation between Iran and the United States has intensified the debate over the seriousness of the incident.

The Daily Telegraph reports that the Iranian tape, aired Thursday by Iran's state-owned Press TV, was meant to reinforce Tehran's argument that the incident between Iranian Revolutionary Guard patrols and US warships on Sunday was a "normal inspections of vessels," not a hostile act.

The video showed an Iranian naval officer on a small boat speaking via radio to a ship which can not be clearly identified. A total of three ships can be seen on the video.

The Iranian officer says: "Coalition warship 73 this Iranian navy patrol boat".

"This is coalition warship 73. I read you loud and clear," the person replied in what appears to be an American accent.

The Iranian officer then appears to ask for the ships to identify themselves, although not all his words can be understood:

"Coalition warship 73 this Iranian navy patrol boat, request side number ... operating in the area this time," the Iranian voice says.

The tape stands in sharp contrast to US video of the incident released earlier, which Pentagon officials said showed a "careless, reckless and potentially hostile" confrontation on the Iranians' part, The Christian Science Monitor reporter earlier this week.

Three US Navy ships – the cruiser USS Port Royal, the destroyer USS Hopper, and the frigate USS Ingraham – were on patrol about 12 miles from Iranian territory in the Strait of Hormuz early Sunday when five small boats associated with Iran's Revolutionary Guards approached them, Pentagon officials said. The fast boats, highly maneuverable patrol craft, were "visibly armed," a Pentagon spokesman said, and began aggressive maneuvers against the three American ships, steaming in formation into the Persian Gulf.

The boats got within 200 to 500 yards of the American ships before splitting into two groups. At least one of the fast boats then dropped several white boxes in the water in the pathway of the Ingraham, which successfully dodged them, considering them potential floating mines. Commanders of the US ships also received radio communications thought to be from one of the Iranian boats in which they heard an individual say in English, "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes."

The Monitor notes that the Strait of Hormuz is a critical waterway for oil traffic, since as much as 40 percent of the world's oil exports travel through it.

The Los Angeles Times reports that Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and other US officials are still concerned by the incident.

"I think that what concerned us was, first, the fact that there were five of these boats, and second, that they came as close as they did to our ships and behaved in what appeared to be a pretty aggressive manner," [Mr. Gates] said. "So I think it's all of those things that raise concerns."

The Bush administration lodged a formal diplomatic protest Thursday in a note given to Swiss diplomats in Tehran, the Iranian capital. The Bush administration relies on the Swiss to help oversee Washington's interests in Iran in the absence of formal relations between the Islamic Republic and the U.S.

But the Pentagon has conceded that the threatening voice in the US video may not have come from the patrol boats, writes The Washington Post. The Post adds that such a concession appears to contradict the implications of earlier Pentagon statements about the video.

Pentagon officials insist that they never claimed Iran made the threat. "No one in the military has said that the transmission emanated from those boats. But when they hear it simultaneously to the behavior of those boats, it only adds to the tension," said Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell. "If this verbal threat emanated from something or someone unrelated to the five boats, it would not lessen the threat from those boats." ...

"When you get a bridge-to-bridge call, you have no way of knowing where it came from," Thorp said. "Nobody ever, with any certainty, knew it was from them. But it did escalate it up a notch as it was happening at the same time" that the patrol boats, manned by Revolutionary Guards, engaged in menacing behavior, [Rear Adm. Frank Thorp IV, a spokesman for the Navy,] said.

The Post notes that Farsi speakers and Iranians who listened to the verbal threat said the speaker's accent did not sound Iranian.

Bloomberg reports that Cmdr. Lydia Robertson, spokeswoman for the Fifth Fleet, also admitted that the radio threat may have come from another ship or from shore, though she added that the Iranian boats were moving threateningly before the radio threat was received.

A reader comment posted on The New York Times blog The Lede, and later reposted in the blog itself, suggests that the confrontation may have been sparked by a third party. The reader, who said he has served as an officer aboard a US destroyer in the Strait of Hormuz region, writes that the harassment by Iranian patrols is "totally believeable." He adds the caveat, however, that the radio channel over which the US warships and the Iranian patrols were communicating, UHF frequency channel 16, is like "bad CB radio" in the Persian Gulf.

Everybody and their brother is on it; chattering away.... On Ch. 16, esp. in that section of the Gulf, slurs/threats/chatter/etc. [are] commonplace. So my first thought was that the "explode" comment might not have even come from one of the Iranian craft, but some loser monitoring the events at a shore facility. The Navy even seemed to admit as much today when they said the transmission could not be traced directly to the small boats.

So I hope everybody exercises great caution here and doesn't jump to conclusions, given the circumstances and potential for escalation.

What I do want everybody to know is that those Navy crews are doing their damned best out there, and given the current situation/previous experience with the USS Cole, would certainly be justified in shooting at any small craft that makes aggressive runs at them, especially after being warned.

William Arkin, a blogger on homeland security for The Washington Post, writes that Iran's insistence that it did nothing wrong may actually open a door for American diplomacy.

How can we forge a positive outcome from this incident? In accepting that the American naval passage was indeed routine, Iran is not only conveying that U.S. and other coalition naval ships have the right to pass through the Straits, but also that any incidents that occur need not escalate to a shooting war. ...

If Iran wants to claim its innocence, why not take advantage of its mendacity to start a professional dialogue between two navies and set the path to ensure that such incidents in the future don't escalate to war?



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[radioguy]

I'll let Mitt Romney respond to your thread Lady Mod

Video Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzFtISty8hE)

Go to the 2:10 mark

[hdmarketing]

Busted!!!! Just proves what Ron Paul was saying in the Debate, the U.S. is looking, if not manufacturing a reason to go to war with Iran. Thanks for the link RG.


New evidence sparks uncertainty over US-Iran naval incident in Hormuz (http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0111/p99s01-duts.html)

Iranian video shows apparently routine activity by Iranian patrol boats, while Pentagon officials say radio threat may not have been from Iranian forces.

By Arthur Bright
from the January 12, 2008 edition

An Iranian video of Sunday's naval confrontation between Iran and the United States has intensified the debate over the seriousness of the incident.

The Daily Telegraph reports that the Iranian tape, aired Thursday by Iran's state-owned Press TV, was meant to reinforce Tehran's argument that the incident between Iranian Revolutionary Guard patrols and US warships on Sunday was a "normal inspections of vessels," not a hostile act.

The video showed an Iranian naval officer on a small boat speaking via radio to a ship which can not be clearly identified. A total of three ships can be seen on the video.

The Iranian officer says: "Coalition warship 73 this Iranian navy patrol boat".

"This is coalition warship 73. I read you loud and clear," the person replied in what appears to be an American accent.

The Iranian officer then appears to ask for the ships to identify themselves, although not all his words can be understood:

"Coalition warship 73 this Iranian navy patrol boat, request side number ... operating in the area this time," the Iranian voice says.

The tape stands in sharp contrast to US video of the incident released earlier, which Pentagon officials said showed a "careless, reckless and potentially hostile" confrontation on the Iranians' part, The Christian Science Monitor reporter earlier this week.

Three US Navy ships – the cruiser USS Port Royal, the destroyer USS Hopper, and the frigate USS Ingraham – were on patrol about 12 miles from Iranian territory in the Strait of Hormuz early Sunday when five small boats associated with Iran's Revolutionary Guards approached them, Pentagon officials said. The fast boats, highly maneuverable patrol craft, were "visibly armed," a Pentagon spokesman said, and began aggressive maneuvers against the three American ships, steaming in formation into the Persian Gulf.

The boats got within 200 to 500 yards of the American ships before splitting into two groups. At least one of the fast boats then dropped several white boxes in the water in the pathway of the Ingraham, which successfully dodged them, considering them potential floating mines. Commanders of the US ships also received radio communications thought to be from one of the Iranian boats in which they heard an individual say in English, "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes."

The Monitor notes that the Strait of Hormuz is a critical waterway for oil traffic, since as much as 40 percent of the world's oil exports travel through it.

The Los Angeles Times reports that Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and other US officials are still concerned by the incident.

"I think that what concerned us was, first, the fact that there were five of these boats, and second, that they came as close as they did to our ships and behaved in what appeared to be a pretty aggressive manner," [Mr. Gates] said. "So I think it's all of those things that raise concerns."

The Bush administration lodged a formal diplomatic protest Thursday in a note given to Swiss diplomats in Tehran, the Iranian capital. The Bush administration relies on the Swiss to help oversee Washington's interests in Iran in the absence of formal relations between the Islamic Republic and the U.S.

But the Pentagon has conceded that the threatening voice in the US video may not have come from the patrol boats, writes The Washington Post. The Post adds that such a concession appears to contradict the implications of earlier Pentagon statements about the video.

Pentagon officials insist that they never claimed Iran made the threat. "No one in the military has said that the transmission emanated from those boats. But when they hear it simultaneously to the behavior of those boats, it only adds to the tension," said Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell. "If this verbal threat emanated from something or someone unrelated to the five boats, it would not lessen the threat from those boats." ...

"When you get a bridge-to-bridge call, you have no way of knowing where it came from," Thorp said. "Nobody ever, with any certainty, knew it was from them. But it did escalate it up a notch as it was happening at the same time" that the patrol boats, manned by Revolutionary Guards, engaged in menacing behavior, [Rear Adm. Frank Thorp IV, a spokesman for the Navy,] said.

The Post notes that Farsi speakers and Iranians who listened to the verbal threat said the speaker's accent did not sound Iranian.

Bloomberg reports that Cmdr. Lydia Robertson, spokeswoman for the Fifth Fleet, also admitted that the radio threat may have come from another ship or from shore, though she added that the Iranian boats were moving threateningly before the radio threat was received.

A reader comment posted on The New York Times blog The Lede, and later reposted in the blog itself, suggests that the confrontation may have been sparked by a third party. The reader, who said he has served as an officer aboard a US destroyer in the Strait of Hormuz region, writes that the harassment by Iranian patrols is "totally believeable." He adds the caveat, however, that the radio channel over which the US warships and the Iranian patrols were communicating, UHF frequency channel 16, is like "bad CB radio" in the Persian Gulf.

Everybody and their brother is on it; chattering away.... On Ch. 16, esp. in that section of the Gulf, slurs/threats/chatter/etc. [are] commonplace. So my first thought was that the "explode" comment might not have even come from one of the Iranian craft, but some loser monitoring the events at a shore facility. The Navy even seemed to admit as much today when they said the transmission could not be traced directly to the small boats.

So I hope everybody exercises great caution here and doesn't jump to conclusions, given the circumstances and potential for escalation.

What I do want everybody to know is that those Navy crews are doing their damned best out there, and given the current situation/previous experience with the USS Cole, would certainly be justified in shooting at any small craft that makes aggressive runs at them, especially after being warned.

William Arkin, a blogger on homeland security for The Washington Post, writes that Iran's insistence that it did nothing wrong may actually open a door for American diplomacy.

How can we forge a positive outcome from this incident? In accepting that the American naval passage was indeed routine, Iran is not only conveying that U.S. and other coalition naval ships have the right to pass through the Straits, but also that any incidents that occur need not escalate to a shooting war. ...

If Iran wants to claim its innocence, why not take advantage of its mendacity to start a professional dialogue between two navies and set the path to ensure that such incidents in the future don't escalate to war?



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That a girl, take a stand in defence of the nut case that wants to KILL YOU!

The Military hasn't debunked the irainain video, it was EDITED!

You know that nice cut and splice they did in the old days? Well I do a little of that myself now days, and it's really easy to do!
All you need is a computer and some software that will run you about $100. bucks!!!!
There are FREE editors you can get for windows, and mac systems too, they just arn't as good.

The Communication you saw in the Iranian's video? That was BEFORE the aggression.

Damn your stupid sometimes.

[Moby]

That a girl, take a stand in defence of the nut case that wants to KILL YOU!
Why do you think anyone wants to kill her?

Every time Bush or Ahmadinejad rattles a sword oil prices go up.

Ahmadinejad sends a boat over to play cat and mouse.
The situation is filmed.
The media shows it to the world.
Tensions rise and take oil prices along with it.
Ahmadinejad makes more money from his country.

I don't think Ahmadinejad really wants a war with the USA. He makes too much from the saber rattling.

This isn't defending any of the tapes because I think it's in Ahmadinejad best interests to keep oil prices high so this type of things makes sense. I just don't think he wants to kill Lady Mod. At least not as long as she's buying his high priced oil.

[disrupter]

That is a very sinister thought SirMoby.
Do you think they might risk some kind of incident just to drum up the price of oil? I'm sure its not unheard of. But that seems to be a very dangerous game.

More sinister, Oil companies &/or the US military/government is working in collusion with the Iranians to drive up oil prices?

Maybe they are making practice runs on US ships? preparing for the real thing?

I just hate trying to figure out what the hell people are up to.

[radioguy]

Why should her defense of a man that wants to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth surprise anyone, since she supports a Jew hating racist for president right here?

[hdmarketing]

Why do you think anyone wants to kill her?

Every time Bush or Ahmadinejad rattles a sword oil prices go up.

Ahmadinejad sends a boat over to play cat and mouse.
The situation is filmed.
The media shows it to the world.
Tensions rise and take oil prices along with it.
Ahmadinejad makes more money from his country.

I don't think Ahmadinejad really wants a war with the USA. He makes too much from the saber rattling.

This isn't defending any of the tapes because I think it's in Ahmadinejad best interests to keep oil prices high so this type of things makes sense. I just don't think he wants to kill Lady Mod. At least not as long as she's buying his high priced oil.



Ohhh, I dis agree with you.

He wants to kill HER, he wants to kill YOU, and he wants to kill ME!
He wants to kill ALL americans, and he wants to wipe Isreal off the earth, he has publically stated this.

Even so, you know how tense things are overthere.

You don' just toy around with a US Military War ship.

When I was in Panama a buddy and I were going to dive on the old French construction equipment in Gatun lake.

We were about 175 yards outside of the channel.
There was a Nuke sub in the channel passing by when we entered the watter.

Only minutes after we entered the watter one of the escort boats came over and two Navy Divers came down and they made us get out of the watter.
They drilled us with questions, and made us stay out of the watter till the sub had cleared.

Even though there would have been no way we could have swam fast enough to catch the sub.

THS WAS IN PEACE TIME!!!!!

Let me tell you again, you don't just toy with a US Navy war ship especially in a hostile area.

Those guys are lucky thy didn't get shot!

[LadyMod at scam.com]

LOL, look at the paranoids on the thread? These are the guys who wet their pants everytime someone says "Muslim", or "black".

HD and RG and their ilk aren't men. Men don't cower and say please Mr. President take away my liberties, take away my rights. Put me in a cage and protect me before the bad guys come over the borders.

They are cowards. Plain and simple. There is nothing of the true American spirit in them. Thank God they didn't fight in the Revolution, we would still be servants of the king if they had been defending our country.



Lady Mod

[Americanadian]

Ohhh, I dis agree with you.

He wants to kill HER, he wants to kill YOU, and he wants to kill ME!
He wants to kill ALL americans, and he wants to wipe Isreal off the earth, he has publically stated this.

Even so, you know how tense things are overthere.

You don' just toy around with a US Military War ship.

When I was in Panama a buddy and I were going to dive on the old French construction equipment in Gatun lake.

We were about 175 yards outside of the channel.
There was a Nuke sub in the channel passing by when we entered the watter.

Only minutes after we entered the watter one of the escort boats came over and two Navy Divers came down and they made us get out of the watter.
They drilled us with questions, and made us stay out of the watter till the sub had cleared.

Even though there would have been no way we could have swam fast enough to catch the sub.

THS WAS IN PEACE TIME!!!!!

Let me tell you again, you don't just toy with a US Navy war ship especially in a hostile area.

Those guys are lucky thy didn't get shot!


Ha...ha...ha....

You're almost 60 years old and you're still a yellow beaked pussy.

Perhaps you should have used that $400,000 you wasted on that "deisel" pusher for better things like a bomb shelter and a year's supply of food. Oh wait...you can bury the "deisel" pusher and reinforce the roof with 6 feet of concrete and steel to ensure the suicide bombers don't blow you up when they swim over here from the Middle East.

Maybe that "deisel" pusher wasn't a bad investment after all. Have your wife paint some pretty sunsets on the windows now so you won't be all depressed looking at the dirt outside your windows once you bury it. :lmao2:

[Americanadian]

Why should her defense of a man that wants to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth surprise anyone, since she supports a Jew hating racist for president right here?


And who would that be? Is Ron Paul vowing to wipe Israel off the map too??? :lmao2:

Remember Radiogut, "WHITE POWER!!!!"

[hdmarketing]

LOL, look at the paranoids on the thread? These are the guys who wet their pants everytime someone says "Muslim", or "black".

HD and RG and their ilk aren't men. Men don't cower and say please Mr. President take away my liberties, take away my rights. Put me in a cage and protect me before the bad guys come over the borders.

They are cowards. Plain and simple. There is nothing of the true American spirit in them. Thank God they didn't fight in the Revolution, we would still be servants of the king if they had been defending our country.



Lady Mod

Look you loudmouth bitch, I am not coward, it's your stupid ass that's coward.
YOU want to cut and run.
I say bomb the fuck out of Iran.
Kick their ass right between their sholders.
That's not coward.

Kick some fucking ass!!!!!

That's what I say.

YOU are the chicken shit coward that wants to cut and run and "come home where it's safe"!

YOU are the coward, chicken shit that wants to defend the comunist bastard that wants to develop a NUKE and use it on us.

Kick that fucking rag head in the ass, and shove it right down his fucking big mouth.

That's what I say.

Quit being a little mamby pamby chicken shit, and stand up and take some action.

Bomb the fuck out of them.

[hdmarketing]

Ha...ha...ha....

You're almost 60 years old and you're still a yellow beaked pussy.

Perhaps you should have used that $400,000 you wasted on that "deisel" pusher for better things like a bomb shelter and a year's supply of food. Oh wait...you can bury the "deisel" pusher and reinforce the roof with 6 feet of concrete and steel to ensure the suicide bombers don't blow you up when they swim over here from the Middle East.

Maybe that "deisel" pusher wasn't a bad investment after all. Have your wife paint some pretty sunsets on the windows now so you won't be all depressed looking at the dirt outside your windows once you bury it. :lmao2:

Fuck you, you little chicken shit bastard.

Go put your willy in your boy friends ass, that's what you want!
FUCKING QUEER!!!

[Americanadian]

Fuck you, you little chicken shit bastard.

Go put your willy in your boy friends ass, that's what you want!
FUCKING QUEER!!!


I'd tell you to suck my dick but I don't feel like contracting gangrene at the moment. :lmao2:

[Americanadian]

Look you loudmouth bitch, I am not coward, it's your stupid ass that's coward.
YOU want to cut and run.
I say bomb the fuck out of Iran.
Kick their ass right between their sholders.
That's not coward.

Kick some fucking ass!!!!!

That's what I say.

YOU are the chicken shit coward that wants to cut and run and "come home where it's safe"!

YOU are the coward, chicken shit that wants to defend the comunist bastard that wants to develop a NUKE and use it on us.

Kick that fucking rag head in the ass, and shove it right down his fucking big mouth.

That's what I say.

Quit being a little mamby pamby chicken shit, and stand up and take some action.

Bomb the fuck out of them.


Responding with violence. A form of exhibiting fear eh?
Domage pour l'homme avec le petit penis.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Look you loudmouth bitch, I am not coward, it's your stupid ass that's coward.
YOU want to cut and run.
I say bomb the fuck out of Iran.
Kick their ass right between their sholders.
That's not coward.

Kick some fucking ass!!!!!

That's what I say.

YOU are the chicken shit coward that wants to cut and run and "come home where it's safe"!

YOU are the coward, chicken shit that wants to defend the comunist bastard that wants to develop a NUKE and use it on us.

Kick that fucking rag head in the ass, and shove it right down his fucking big mouth.

That's what I say.

Quit being a little mamby pamby chicken shit, and stand up and take some action.

Bomb the fuck out of them.

Hey HD! Feeling a little "racist" today aren't you?

LOL, you are a coward. Admit it. Why don't you follow AC's advice and dig a hole for the motorhome of yours and hide out? You'll feel much better about things if you get a little more "pro-active" about your own safety.

:lmao2:

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Responding with violence. A form of exhibiting fear eh?
Domage pour l'homme avec le petit penis.

Me thinks he protests too much. What do you think?


Lady Mod

[Moby]

That is a very sinister thought SirMoby.
Do you think they might risk some kind of incident just to drum up the price of oil? I'm sure its not unheard of. But that seems to be a very dangerous game.
Maybe the game isn't as dangerous as you and I think. Having a boat full of Iranian soldiers blown up would send prices sky rocketing and that doesn't mean an all out war.

It just means that Iran will stop taking US dollars for oil.

A US bomb can't hit Iran until after the election in November. Then a single bomb means a 40% increase on every barrel of oil

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Maybe the game isn't as dangerous as you and I think. Having a boat full of Iranian soldiers blown up would send prices sky rocketing and that doesn't mean an all out war.

It just means that Iran will stop taking US dollars for oil.

A US bomb can't hit Iran until after the election in November. Then a single bomb means a 40% increase on every barrel of oil


And Halliburton will rejoice.


Lady Mod

[Moby]

YOU are the coward, chicken shit that wants to defend the comunist bastard that wants to develop a NUKE and use it on us.They're not communists. You're either living in the past or letting Savage program you too much.

I just don't think it's as simple as just blowing them up. There will be a lot of civilian casualties. Iran's military is much larger then Iraq's and we can't seem to win in Iraq just yet. Iranians are also well educated. They're every where and they have money.

If we bomb Iran we'll have 1,000 Bin Ladens out there that are smarter and better financed. It will be very messy

[Moby]

And Halliburton will rejoice.


Lady Mod
Like they need more reason?

[Americanadian]

Me thinks he protests too much. What do you think?


Lady Mod

Precisely why their ilk should never be given the opportunity to govern America ever again.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Like they need more reason?

Nope, when it comes to wealth, that kind of greed is all encompassing.

Not to mention the power that comes with it.


Lady Mod

[hdmarketing]

They're not communists. You're either living in the past or letting Savage program you too much.

I just don't think it's as simple as just blowing them up. There will be a lot of civilian casualties. Iran's military is much larger then Iraq's and we can't seem to win in Iraq just yet. Iranians are also well educated. They're every where and they have money.

If we bomb Iran we'll have 1,000 Bin Ladens out there that are smarter and better financed. It will be very messy

What do you mean?
We removed Saddam from power!
Voilence is way down!

Want to know how to end a war?

You hit the enemy harder than they can hit you.

So you don't think we can win Iran?

Just in case you forgot we are the world super power.

It also happens that the UN has limited us too.

Kick the UN out of the country, and kick the shit out of Iran.

Palin and simple!

[hdmarketing]

I'd tell you to suck my dick but I don't feel like contracting gangrene at the moment. :lmao2:
Id tell you that you have to have one to suck first, pussy boy.

[hdmarketing]

Hey HD! Feeling a little "racist" today aren't you?
Ys but at least I admit it, unlike you the little closet racist, just like your presidential candidate Ron Paul.

You should really should come out of the closet there doggie girl, you will feel much better.

LOL, you are a coward. Admit it. Why don't you follow AC's advice and dig a hole for the motorhome of yours and hide out? You'll feel much better about things if you get a little more "pro-active" about your own safety.

:lmao2:

Ok I admit it, that's why YOU want to chicken shit your way home.

The way you and pussy boy talk about my motor home, it seems you are jealous.

Remember dip shit, I am a survivalist, If something was to happen here, I know for a fact I would out live both you and little pussy boy.

[Independent Harry]

Ys but at least I admit it, unlike you the little closet racist, just like your presidential candidate Ron Paul.

You should really should come out of the closet there doggie girl, you will feel much better.



Ok I admit it, that's why YOU want to chicken shit your way home.

The way you and pussy boy talk about my motor home, it seems you are jealous.

Remember dip shit, I am a survivalist, If something was to happen here, I know for a fact I would out live both you and little pussy boy.

LOL THE racist on this board has the audacity to call someonea closet racist...

[Smurf-Herder]

On the main topic:

This was obviously training for the IRGC boat crews; as well as seeing how far they could go. The same general thing happened twice in December. In one case we fired warning shots; and in the other two of the boats were obviously "armed" in some way. But the voice in this video looks like it could have been a third party, entirely.

Who's the voice on radio in Iran standoff?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004121278_iran12.html

"Also on Friday, a Navy official said that the USS Whidbey Island fired warning shots at a small Iranian boat that was rapidly approaching it in the Strait of Hormuz on Dec. 19 during one of two serious encounters that month.

In another incident that month, the USS Carr sounded a warning by whistle Dec. 22 after it encountered three small Iranian craft, two of which were armed, the official said."

"Indeed, the voice in the audio sounds different from the one belonging to an Iranian officer shown speaking to the cruiser Port Royal over a radio from a small open boat in the video released by Iranian authorities. Asked if U.S. officials considered whether the threats came from someone besides the Iranians when releasing the video and audio, Roughead said: "The reason there is audio superimposed over the video is it gives you a better idea of what is happening."

In recent years, American ships operating in the Middle East have had to contend with a mysterious but profane voice known as the "Filipino Monkey," likely more than one person, who listens in on ship-to-ship radio traffic and then jumps in, shouting insults and jabbering vile epithets. Navy women are said to suffer particularly degrading treatment.

Rick Hoffman, a retired captain who spent many of his 17 years in the Gulf, said he was subjected to the renegade radio talker repeatedly during the so-called "Tanker Wars" of the late 1980s when Iran and Iraq were at war.

"For 25 years there's been this mythical guy out there who, hour after hour, shouts obscenities and threats," he said. "He could be tied up pierside somewhere or he could be on the bridge of a merchant ship."

[Moby]

What do you mean?
We removed Saddam from power!
Voilence is way down!

Want to know how to end a war?

You hit the enemy harder than they can hit you.

So you don't think we can win Iran?

Just in case you forgot we are the world super power.

It also happens that the UN has limited us too.

Kick the UN out of the country, and kick the shit out of Iran.

Palin and simple!
Are you saying that we've won in Iraq? They're now stable?

We might be on the path to victory but it certainly wasn't the 6 month war that was predicted and it certainly ain't over yet.

Would making Iran glow better protect our borders here or would it create 1,000 more well financed OBLs? What of all that oil?

[hdmarketing]

On the main topic:

This was obviously training for the IRGC boat crews; as well as seeing how far they could go. The same general thing happened twice in December. In one case we fired warning shots; and in the other two of the boats were obviously "armed" in some way. But the voice in this video looks like it could have been a third party, entirely.

Yes this very well could have been training, but once again I go back to what I said before.
You don't just toy with a War Ship period!
It's a damn good way to get your ass shot!

This in turn provokes a large scale blasting at how the US renagades are shooting innocent boats!

Those guys had NO business even trying to get as close as they did period!

I don't care how much justification one tries to give to this incident, they had NO justification trying to play around that close to a War Ship...

It was very clear they are trying to provoke something!


Who's the voice on radio in Iran standoff?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004121278_iran12.html

"Also on Friday, a Navy official said that the USS Whidbey Island fired warning shots at a small Iranian boat that was rapidly approaching it in the Strait of Hormuz on Dec. 19 during one of two serious encounters that month.

In another incident that month, the USS Carr sounded a warning by whistle Dec. 22 after it encountered three small Iranian craft, two of which were armed, the official said."

"Indeed, the voice in the audio sounds different from the one belonging to an Iranian officer shown speaking to the cruiser Port Royal over a radio from a small open boat in the video released by Iranian authorities. Asked if U.S. officials considered whether the threats came from someone besides the Iranians when releasing the video and audio, Roughead said: "The reason there is audio superimposed over the video is it gives you a better idea of what is happening."

In recent years, American ships operating in the Middle East have had to contend with a mysterious but profane voice known as the "Filipino Monkey," likely more than one person, who listens in on ship-to-ship radio traffic and then jumps in, shouting insults and jabbering vile epithets. Navy women are said to suffer particularly degrading treatment.

Rick Hoffman, a retired captain who spent many of his 17 years in the Gulf, said he was subjected to the renegade radio talker repeatedly during the so-called "Tanker Wars" of the late 1980s when Iran and Iraq were at war.

"For 25 years there's been this mythical guy out there who, hour after hour, shouts obscenities and threats," he said. "He could be tied up pierside somewhere or he could be on the bridge of a merchant ship."

While this would be very easy to do, I really doubt the person could have been pearside, I would agree maybe a merchant ship.

They would have needed to be close enough to see what was going on, yet far enough to not be considered a threat.

Anyone can key a radio, and jump into a conversation although I doubt that's what really happened (it could have though).

In any case, refer to my comments above, those guys should have NEVER been that close to a warship.

I know from personal experience how the Military takes offense to someone aproaching one of their boats, or even entering the watter when one of them is in the area.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Ys but at least I admit it, unlike you the little closet racist, just like your presidential candidate Ron Paul.

You should really should come out of the closet there doggie girl, you will feel much better.

Or Bush? Who acts like a racist and criminal but won't admit it? And you support his behavior. Maybe YOU should come out of the closet HD. I'm a lot of things but a racist isn't one of them.



Ok I admit it, that's why YOU want to chicken shit your way home.

Huh? You don't even make any sense.

The way you and pussy boy talk about my motor home, it seems you are jealous.

Don't flatter yourself HD. I just told you to take his advice if you are going to get so worked up over the truth.

Remember dip shit, I am a survivalist, If something was to happen here, I know for a fact I would out live both you and little pussy boy.

So far we have only your word on that. You can't even have a discussion without going balistic. You are going to have to keep a much "cooler" head if you EVER hope to survive in a situation where it life or death.


:D

[Smurf-Herder]

Yes this very well could have been training, but once again I go back to what I said before.
You don't just toy with a War Ship period!
It's a damn good way to get your ass shot!

This in turn provokes a large scale blasting at how the US renagades are shooting innocent boats!

Those guys had NO business even trying to get as close as they did period!

I don't care how much justification one tries to give to this incident, they had NO justification trying to play around that close to a War Ship...

It was very clear they are trying to provoke something!




While this would be very easy to do, I really doubt the person could have been pearside, I would agree maybe a merchant ship.

They would have needed to be close enough to see what was going on, yet far enough to not be considered a threat.

Anyone can key a radio, and jump into a conversation although I doubt that's what really happened (it could have though).

In any case, refer to my comments above, those guys should have NEVER been that close to a warship.

I know from personal experience how the Military takes offense to someone aproaching one of their boats, or even entering the watter when one of them is in the area.

I didn't mean to imply that what the Iranians did was justified in any way. It was a clear provocation. I'm just assuming it was a "trial run" situation, instead of an intent to create a shooting incident, since they ran away when we gave the order to fire on them.

But there still is a question about where that voice transmission came from; and if it was part of of the original Iranian plan or not.

[disrupter]

Understand that these same guys saying those guys want to kill you, want to kill someone themselves.
So there are people with those kinds of mentalities as they themselves are evidence of, but the point is to get the reasonable people in charge of the political power of nations.

Inflammatory nut cases tend to cause other nations to knee-jerk support their own responsive inflammatory nut cases.
If we elect reasonable people they will feel at ease & focus on their own economy instead, as they, we & all reasonable people do.

[Betty Blowtorch]

I say bomb the fuck out of Iran.
Kick their ass right between their sholders.
Kick some fucking ass!!!!!

Kick that fucking rag head in the ass, and
shove it right down his fucking big mouth.

Bomb the fuck out of them.
That's what I say.


Hey HD! Feeling a little "racist" today aren't you?


Yes but at least I admit it
You're a fanatical anti-Islamic racist. The only difference
between you and Hitler is that he was an anti-semitic racist.

I suppose we could applaud your honesty in admitting your
racism, but Hitler was very open and honest about his racism,
and there aren't very many decent human beings who would
applaud him for it.

It sounds like you're proud of being an anti-Islamic racist
and equate it with some sort of demented sense of pro-war
patriotism.

You're in good company: Hitler was patriotic and pro-war.

Since you've already admitted to your racism and bigotry,
you can't deny it or bitch about getting called on it.

[hdmarketing]

You're a fanatical anti-Islamic racist. The only difference
between you and Hitler is that he was an anti-semitic racist.

I suppose we could applaud your honesty in admitting your
racism, but Hitler was very open and honest about his racism,
and there aren't very many decent human beings who would
applaud him for it.

It sounds like you're proud of being an anti-Islamic racist
and equate it with some sort of demented sense of pro-war
patriotism.

You're in good company: Hitler was patriotic and pro-war.

Since you've already admitted to your racism and bigotry,
you can't deny it or bitch about getting called on it.

Why dont you go blow your tourch up someone elses ass.

I don't hate Islam, I hat Radical Islamists.
Two totally differnt groups of people.

[disrupter]

The voice was likely a known quantity in the Straits of Hormuz, the
Filipino Monkey,
who has been harassing ships along there for decades.

It was spliced to the video of the visuals & radio talk between bridge captains & the speed boats.
The US commanders NEVER felt under threat at any time.
The video of the speed boats is on incredibly high zoom, when you look at the full video they are much farther away & not very threatening, they curve back well away from the battleships.

The whole thing is a sensationalized & INTENTIONALLY BY PENTAGON PROPAGANDA trumped up to try to get us into a completely baseless war with Iran.

Bush now says he doesn't believe the NIE report on Iran's nuclear weapons program.

The Administration & Pentagon are Insane.
They are war criminals, liars
& looters of 9 billion in cold hard cash.

[Smurf-Herder]

The voice was likely a known quantity in the Straits of Hormuz, the
Filipino Monkey,
who has been harassing ships along there for decades.

It was spliced to the video of the visuals & radio talk between bridge captains & the speed boats.
The US commanders NEVER felt under threat at any time.
The video of the speed boats is on incredibly high zoom, when you look at the full video they are much farther away & not very threatening, they curve back well away from the battleships.

The whole thing is a sensationalized & INTENTIONALLY BY PENTAGON PROPAGANDA trumped up to try to get us into a completely baseless war with Iran.

Bush now says he doesn't believe the NIE report on Iran's nuclear weapons program.

The Administration & Pentagon are Insane.
They are war criminals, liars
& looters of 9 billion in cold hard cash.


You need to watch the video again. Those boats were close.

And where do you get that the ship commanders never felt they were under any threat at any time during those 36 minutes?

They weren't any more dangerous than the little rubber boat that killed 17 sailors and almost sunk the USS Cole in 2000.

[disrupter]

They were at least the length of the ship from the ships.

That is Iran's area of the world,

in case you hadn't noticed we are based half a globe away from there.

BTW that rubber raft that hit the USS Cole operated with Sudan's assistance.
I believe it also operated covertly under cover of darkness.

This was all out in the open for the world to see,

THE PENTAGON & BUSH'S PROPAGANDA TEAM TURNED IT INTO AN OVERBLOWN INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT.

you make a perfect patsy.

[Smurf-Herder]

They were at least the length of the ship from the ships.

That is Iran's area of the world,

in case you hadn't noticed we are based half a globe away from there.

BTW that rubber raft that hit the USS Cole operated with Sudan's assistance.
I believe it also operated covertly under cover of darkness.

This was all out in the open for the world to see,

THE PENTAGON & BUSH'S PROPAGANDA TEAM TURNED IT INTO AN OVERBLOWN INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT.

you make a perfect patsy.

Right - the length of a ship from the ships.

How many seconds would it take a speedboat to make a sharp turn and cover that distance? And that's assuming a collision, instead of using a weapons system.

[Betty Blowtorch]

The neocons are looking for a provocation, which would
most likely come in the form of a border clash along the
Iran-Iraq border or some type of naval incident in the
Persian Gulf.

Hitler instigated a phony border clash before invading
Poland in 1939.

It's idiotic to suggest that the Iranian government
seriously wants to provoke a war with the U.S. --
that would be like a gnat starting a fight with an
elephant.

Obviously it's the neocon bullies who are spoiling
for a fight.

[disrupter]

They would have to be kamikaze in nature.
I am pretty sure the hull of a battleship is pretty hardened, going to take some serious explosives to penetrate that.

You are suggesting they are ready to go to war with the US?

We are in THEIR neighborhood.
We MUST act with reason & decorum.

You have vilified them before you have ever tried to talk with them.
You forget we overthrew their democratically elected government back in the 1950s which is why they have justifiable resentment of us,

ESPECIALLY WHEN WE START TELLING LIES ABOUT SUPPORTING 'DEMOCRACY'.

a complete fraud.

You are effectively a pawn of CIA/NSA interests & their propaganda, which are nothing more than fronts for global criminal interests at this point.

[Betty Blowtorch]

Why dont you go blow your tourch up someone elses ass.
That wasn't my "tourch" you felt inside your ass,
sweetie pie, but if it felt as hot as a torch to you,
I take that as a compliment.

If I was too rough with you, http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8423/cryingmankd4.jpg
I can use lubricant next time. And a condom if you insist.




I don't hate Islam, I hat Radical Islamists.
Two totally differnt groups of people.
Oh I see. When you said you want to "bomb
the fuck out of Iran," I guess you meant that
we should use super-intelligent smart bombs
that can tell the difference between radical
and non-radical Islamists.

Will these super-intelligent bombs http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/764/freetheshitil5.jpg
interrogate their victims before they detonate,
to make sure they don't kill the wrong Muslims?

Apparently the war in Iraq failed to satisfy
your desire to murder "radical" Islamists,
and now you're hot to trot to start a war
with Iran. Have I got that correct?

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2427/angrypunkfg7.png
By the way, I guess you already
forgot the post (http://dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=33952&postcount=25) in which you
admitted to being a racist.

How quickly they forget. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5968/nun1kv4.gif

[Americanadian]

Id tell you that you have to have one to suck first, pussy boy.


LOL...am I the one purchasing 40 ft "deisel" pushers to make up for a lack of something else? Nope!

Mrs HD must be lonely whilst you waste your time posting your testosterone laced screeds of "manly" adventures on the 'net. Perhaps you should take an inventory of your cucumbers in the fridge in your absence.

Ha...ha...ha...

[Americanadian]

The way you and pussy boy talk about my motor home, it seems you are jealous.

Remember dip shit, I am a survivalist, If something was to happen here, I know for a fact I would out live both you and little pussy boy.


LOL...don't flatter yourself Yellow Beak, I wouldn't be stupid enough to waste that much money on a fucking motorhome when the money could be used for far better things such as helping others and/or starting organizations to bring awareness where it is needed.

You're a pathetic waste of skin and cells. The only thing you've proven yourself to be useful at is contributing to global warming with the excessive methane emissions emancipating out of both ends. It's truly amazing that your shrivelled countenance can even muster the strength to open a door to your beloved "deisel" pusher. Then again, your obvious testosterone filled rants on this board leads me to believe that steroids are to blame. It would explain your penchant for violence and lust for bloodshed. It would also explain why your wife prefers cucumbers over your viagra fuelled toothpick.

"Survivalist"...ROFL...
If the "terrists" landed near your town, you'd be hiding under a bed in your "deisel" pusher long before someone could utter 'Al Qaeda'. Face it old geezer, your time is gone. Quit popping the steroids and call it a day. Go play in your "deisel" pusher before it's turned into a troop transport.

Ha...ha...ha...