Is The Term "Illegal" Racist

[Moby]

Recently Libraltarian accused me of being racist and told me to shove my racism up my ass for using the phrase "Illegal Aliens". He/She claims that the correct term is "Undocumented Aliens" and that anyone using the term "Illegal" is a racist.

I see the term "Illegal" being used everywhere and a quick search of articles written today show it's being used quite a bit in the media and this is just 60 seconds of searching.

http://dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=3376
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6626823
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/0109biz-illlegalscost0110-ON.html
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/5437213.html

Those that know me on a personal level know that my wife is an alien and many of my closest friends are aliens. If they lose their documents then I would consider them "undocumented" because they are here legally.

The most frustrating thing about Libraltarian's comments is that I was merely posting an article that I thought was funny and sad about some Brazilian workers that were returning to Brazil because the upswing in their economy and the falling dollar doesn't make it profitable for them to be here any more.

I posted the article as a good lesson that we should learn from Brazil but Dick Head didn't even bother to get it.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Recently Libraltarian accused me of being racist and told me to shove my racism up my ass for using the phrase "Illegal Aliens". He/She claims that the correct term is "Undocumented Aliens" and that anyone using the term "Illegal" is a racist.

I see the term "Illegal" being used everywhere and a quick search of articles written today show it's being used quite a bit in the media and this is just 60 seconds of searching.

http://dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=3376
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6626823
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/0109biz-illlegalscost0110-ON.html
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/5437213.html

Those that know me on a personal level know that my wife is an alien and many of my closest friends are aliens. If they lose their documents then I would consider them "undocumented" because they are here legally.

The most frustrating thing about Libraltarian's comments is that I was merely posting an article that I thought was funny and sad about some Brazilian workers that were returning to Brazil because the upswing in their economy and the falling dollar doesn't make it profitable for them to be here any more.

I posted the article as a good lesson that we should learn from Brazil but Dick Head didn't even bother to get it.


In a world of "Political Correctness" it's a sure bet that no matter what you say or how you say it you are gonna insult someone.

Do I think the term incorrect or racist?

NO.

But I do believe that it's easier to sometimes to change the way I say something so as not to offend someone who has a strong belief that it is racist.

I'm sorry but that's biblical in teaching. Paul told the Corinthians there was nothing wrong about eating meat sacrificed to idols but that IF they invited someone to dinner who thought it was a sin to eat the meat sacrificed to idols and then they served it for dinner that they would be the one's who sinned.

So, for me, if it offends my brother to say "illegal aliens" because he believes it's wrong, then I'll from now on use the expression "undocumented aliens" to keep the peace and keep the friend.


It's just how you want to look at things and what is important that makes the difference.


Lady Mod

[Bill]

It's arguably somewhat loaded.

I don't think it makes the leap to racist, even in it's subtext.

Certainly it's used rhetorically to indicate "undesireable", "shady", "worthy of incarceration and deportation", etc.

None of which terms technically invoke the race of the subject.

However, I'm sure some people could manage to use the term in a context which made it at least somewhat racist.

Typically, when the term is used by republican types, it means "dirty mexican". I'm sure they don't use it referring to, say, canadians, or eastern euros, or even laotians.

[Moby]

So, for me, if it offends my brother to say "illegal aliens" because he believes it's wrong, then I'll from now on use the expression "undocumented aliens" to keep the peace and keep the friend.
That I agree with. If someone asked me in a kind way to use another phrase I would happily do so. Instead a great leap was made against my character and I was told to shove something up my ass.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

That I agree with. If someone asked me in a kind way to use another phrase I would happily do so. Instead a great leap was made against my character and I was told to shove something up my ass.


Welcome to the club. You have two choices. Let it eat at you and destroy you from within or let it go and forgive the other person for their sin against you.

What choice will you make?


Lady Mod

[Moby]

Welcome to the club. You have two choices. Let it eat at you and destroy you from within or let it go and forgive the other person for their sin against you.

What choice will you make?


Lady Mod
No need to go that far. I know where I stand with myself. I just wanted a sanity check. Maybe I wasn't being sensitive to a term that had become a racial slur.

If I was wrong I would be man enough to admit it and move on as a better man. I know that I can do that. It's a shame that others can't.

[radioguy]

There are legal aliens... Aliens that are in the United States legally. Then there are illegal aliens... Aliens that are in the United States illegally.

Nothing racist about that.

Supporting Ron Paul however, is a whole other thing... A "White Power" thing, to be precise.

[disrupter]

While it is not explicitly racist there is somewhat of light racial cast to the current conditions in the US,
Where the preponderance [overwhelming majority] of illegal aliens aren't from China, Ireland or other places, most are coming from our southern border from central america.

It is the 'relative' ease of crossing the largely unpatrolled southern border that allows the large numbers as well as pretty terrible economic conditions in Mexico & some other central American economies.

They serve the purpose of providing employers willing to skirt the law with an easily subduable workforce that they can pay low wages to, not provide benefits, & hire & fire without any repercussions as well as mutually duck taxes because illegals claim many dependents to avoid taxes they can never recover.

America is a land of criminals.
Corporations rigging government.
Politicians writing crooked laws & giving corporations fat contracts & allowing them to offshore profits with accounting gimmickry.
FBI, & especially CIA, NSA & pentagon secrecy has no oversight & has turned largely criminal.
Employers hiring illegals for the above outlined reasons.
Illegals desperately working for these crooked employers who gouge them at every turn, & a small but certain portion who simply become cynical & turn to crime.
Illegal document forgery & identity theft are both fueling further crime.
Coyotes charging Mexicans/others several thousand dollars to be snuck across the border.
[Every year when first heavy snow falls all these overloaded vans with their human cargo become uncontrollable & skid off the roadways & crash]
Then there are the mostly honest middle class who get screwed in the middle of this ocean of criminality that surrounds them that they have to swim through & navigate.

Now with the new Trucking permission to cross unchecked, you think they are going to ship a load of cabbage at 5,000 USD or a truckload of illegals for 100,000 USD?

the math is not difficult.
Obviously congress & the whitehouse are math 'challenged'.
They couldn't just be a bunch of criminals in 3-piece suits could they?

[kres24GT]

I know when I speed and I get pulled over and the cop reminds me illegal to speed I immediately call him a racist.

It's a PC, word police thing, nothing more. Anyone who says the words illegal alien are racist, doesn't know or understand what the word racist means.

[disrupter]

'Racism' is the hyper-electric card which preys upon the most neurotic among us.

We can't even define clearly what 'race' is or means.
Evolution either created it or it didn't.
Wielding it with such bludgeoning viciousness exposes the user of the most likely rejection of their own DNA.

Of course people who claim racial superiority are both correct & incorrect simultaneously.
Each race is a superior adaptation to some historical environment.
We need genetic diversity,
it is our species insurance policy as thin and as sparse as it is.

Libraltarian is both neurotic & ignorant in his [her?] bludgeoning others with their 'religious' zeal in the matter.

Just say no to Zealots, religious or otherwise,
Just say no to moral absolutism,
The Universe is delciously impure.

[Cat slave]

So, does that mean if I interpret "NeoCon" as a racial slur that all you lefties
would refrain from calling us conservatives such names?? What about "Nazi"?
Very inflamatory....would you mend your ways if we were....OFFENDED?
I think not.

Illegal is illegal. If someone has a problem with it then it is theirs not anyone
elses.

Persons who have entered our country are just that lawbreakers....illegals.
Here illegally. The desperate attmept to play the race card only shows
how very little substance you have to defend their actions.

Disclaimer: This post is not directed at anyone. It is a statement for mass
consumption of those leaning to left of center.:banghead:

[disrupter]

Mass consumption?

like let's all share in the koolaid, kind of mass consumption?

just seeking clarification.

[disrupter]

Note: Radioguy uses the term 'racist' as a bludgeon,

doesn't that pretty much settle the issue?

He & Libraltarian are cut from the same cloth on this,
far wing extremists attempt to disturb any kind of sane center with inflammatory rhetoric.

[Libraltarian]

I didn't vote because Sir Moby included a preamble, is a moderator here, has threatened to ban me for calling him a racist so it is obviously a skewed poll. Which again is a tactic typical of racists & tyrants.

I've also accused Sir Moby of being the kind of person who would have supported Jim Crow, based on his defense. Today he says that some of his best friends are aliens proves he isn't a racist.

Sell it to somebody else Moby. Every time you post on this subject you convince me I'm right, you sir, are a racist.

[Independent Harry]

There are legal aliens... Aliens that are in the United States legally. Then there are illegal aliens... Aliens that are in the United States illegally.

Nothing racist about that.

Supporting Ron Paul however, is a whole other thing... A "White Power" thing, to be precise.

you know what you remind me of grim...

In africa to catch monkies, they will tie a bottle to a tree, and then put a piece of fruit in the bottle, the bottle is just big enough for a monkey to stick its hand through the bottle opened. But when it closes it around the piece of fruit, it's had gets stuck. The monkey, won't open its hand to drop the fruit. In fact it will die, before it lets the fruit go. you are that monkey grim...

[Moby]

Sell it to somebody else Moby. Every time you post on this subject you convince me I'm right, you sir, are a racist.
Basically everyone that has commented on this thread thinks that you are wrong.

I have over 2,000 posts and you can't find any racist comments by me.

Isn't there a chance that maybe you are wrong? That maybe you jumped too quickly to a conclusion based on a single word instead of more accurate information?

Certainly there must be some chance that you've been wrong before.

[Little Red Dog]

Libraltarian - You know I, like you, believe racism is alive and well in the land of the "free".

That said, I also believe you have made an unwarranted leap here. (Personally, I am more offended by "alien" than "illegal", but that's another thread.) Moby used a commonly accepted term; one which, unfortunately, is in common use.

I do not believe he used to term to deliberately offend. I understand that you object to the term, but the fact that he used it does not conclusively make him a racist.

It seems to me that the whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. Rather than rage about the word, why not educate on why it is such a sensitive topic to you?

Doing that might promote understanding. This back and forth, however, only promotes really bad energy on the board. And this is a fight that doesn't need to be a fight.

[Americanadian]

Supporting Ron Paul however, is a whole other thing... A "White Power" thing, to be precise.


Obsessed much??!!

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[Libraltarian]

Libraltarian - You know I, like you, believe racism is alive and well in the land of the "free".

That said, I also believe you have made an unwarranted leap here. (Personally, I am more offended by "alien" than "illegal", but that's another thread.) Moby used a commonly accepted term; one which, unfortunately, is in common use.

I do not believe he used to term to deliberately offend. I understand that you object to the term, but the fact that he used it does not conclusively make him a racist.

It seems to me that the whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. Rather than rage about the word, why not educate on why it is such a sensitive topic to you?

Doing that might promote understanding. This back and forth, however, only promotes really bad energy on the board. And this is a fight that doesn't need to be a fight.

yeah LRD, calling Sir Moby a racist was probably a tactical mistake. I believe that those who use racist language in common communication are racist whether they know it and admit it or not.

Jim Crow lasted 100 years. Jim Crow was commonly accept too. Derogatory phrases such as disabled in place of medically challenged or illegal alien in place of undocumented are discriminatory.

In the case of illegal alien, the term presupposes a judicial outcome which goes against our most basic pledge that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. The phrase promotes prejudging which is repugnant to truth, justice and the American Way.

Notice too that everybody who voted in the skewed poll, not one of them took a moment to post a comment on the unconstitutionality of the I-9 (right to work) requirements for white Canadians being more lax than those applied to brown Mexicans. It is unconstitutional to discriminate on the basis of National Origin, yet our I-9 requirements are discriminatory AND NOT ONE PERSON WHO VOTED "ILLEGAL ALIEN" is not discriminatory thinks more stringent requirements for brown Mexicans v. white Canadians that is discriminatory and racist.

When racism is promoted as commonly accepted language, society is infused with racism. People become practicing racists whether they know it or not. Amid all the passion and time they had for defending poor sensitive Sir Moby they didn't have one line concerning I-9 discrimination. Isn't that always the way when racism is accepted in the common language?

I maintain that if you promote racism through the use of racist phrases, commonly accepted language or not, you are a racist because you are practicing racism. Ignorance is never an acceptable excuse.

[Betty Blowtorch]

Sell it to somebody else Moby. Every time you post on this
subject you convince me I'm right, you sir, are a racist.
How ironic.

Libraltarian pretends to be so concerned about stopping
speech that MIGHT possibly offend someone, and yet he
has no qualms whatsoever about using highly offensive
and inflammatory speech in a direct personal attack on
someone simply for using a word he doesn't approve of.

Hey Libby, can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E?

[Moby]

Hey Libby, can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E?
He probably could but it takes a mature, strong and mentally stable person to admit when they're wrong.

We're all probably over looking the obvious. Everyone one of us, the press, the government and most everyone in the world is wrong. Libby must be the one that's right. :lmao2:

[Betty Blowtorch]

Everyone one of us, the press, the government and
most everyone in the world is wrong. Libby must be
the one that's right. :lmao2:
Lord save us from self-righteous moralists. http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1619/avatarjesusjp1.jpg

[Libraltarian]

He probably could but it takes a mature, strong and mentally stable person to admit when they're wrong.

We're all probably over looking the obvious. Everyone one of us, the press, the government and most everyone in the world is wrong. Libby must be the one that's right. :lmao2:

Quite right. Everyone of you is wrong. Now Moby I'm going to give you a chance to rise above radioguy's level, if you have the parts. I'm assuming you missed this post:

yeah LRD, calling Sir Moby a racist was probably a tactical mistake. I believe that those who use racist language in common communication are racist whether they know it and admit it or not.

Jim Crow lasted 100 years. Jim Crow was commonly accept too. Derogatory phrases such as disabled in place of medically challenged or illegal alien in place of undocumented are discriminatory. Incterdibly many people have taken to medically challenged in place disabled. Yet few have taken undocumented in place of illegal alien. That's because they're racists.

In the case of illegal alien, the term presupposes a judicial outcome which goes against our most basic pledge that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. The phrase promotes prejudging which is repugnant to truth, justice and the American Way.

Notice too that everybody who voted in the skewed poll, not one of them took a moment to post a comment on the unconstitutionality of the I-9 (right to work) requirements for white Canadians being more lax than those applied to brown Mexicans. It is unconstitutional to discriminate on the basis of National Origin, yet our I-9 requirements are discriminatory AND NOT ONE PERSON WHO VOTED "ILLEGAL ALIEN" is not discriminatory thinks more stringent requirements for brown Mexicans v. white Canadians that is discriminatory and racist. As far as I'm concerned they are supporting racism by their silence, not by their vote in a so obviously skewed poll.

When racism is promoted as commonly accepted language, society is infused with racism. People become practicing racists whether they know it or not. Amid all the passion and time they had for defending poor sensitive Sir Moby they didn't have one line concerning I-9 discrimination. Isn't that always the way when racism is accepted in the common language?

I maintain that if you promote racism through the use of racist phrases, commonly accepted language or not, you are a racist because you are practicing racism. Ignorance is never an acceptable excuse.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Basically everyone that has commented on this thread thinks that you are wrong.



I didn't say he was wrong. He obviously has strong feelings on the matter, that doesn't make him wrong.

What I said was that personally I didn't consider the phrase racist, but if it kept the peace and a friend I would use a different expression.

Weren't you taught that the bigger person is the one who apologizes first? This is why we have wars, leaders are afraid to be the first to extend the olive branch. Better that we just hurt and kill thousands of people and run up trillion dollar debts.


Lady Mod

[Moby]

CNN is racist. I saw them use the phrase Illegal Aliens. Fox is racist because I heard them use it tonight as well. I'm having a hard time finding a none racist any where outside of Libby.

What should we call the aliens that are here and not working? Undocumented unemployed?

You're wrong. Face it. You can't find a single post of mine that you can use as an example of my racism.

Isn't it just time that you put on your big boy panties and admit that you're wrong? Of course you could use additional posts that I've made that support your claim. There are well over 2k here.

When you make such a false claim you should be ready to support it or admit your mistake.

[Independent Harry]

Quite right. Everyone of you is wrong. Now Moby I'm going to give you a chance to rise above radioguy's level, if you have the parts. I'm assuming you missed this post:

yeah LRD, calling Sir Moby a racist was probably a tactical mistake. I believe that those who use racist language in common communication are racist whether they know it and admit it or not.

Jim Crow lasted 100 years. Jim Crow was commonly accept too. Derogatory phrases such as disabled in place of medically challenged or illegal alien in place of undocumented are discriminatory. Incterdibly many people have taken to medically challenged in place disabled. Yet few have taken undocumented in place of illegal alien. That's because they're racists.

In the case of illegal alien, the term presupposes a judicial outcome which goes against our most basic pledge that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. The phrase promotes prejudging which is repugnant to truth, justice and the American Way.

Notice too that everybody who voted in the skewed poll, not one of them took a moment to post a comment on the unconstitutionality of the I-9 (right to work) requirements for white Canadians being more lax than those applied to brown Mexicans. It is unconstitutional to discriminate on the basis of National Origin, yet our I-9 requirements are discriminatory AND NOT ONE PERSON WHO VOTED "ILLEGAL ALIEN" is not discriminatory thinks more stringent requirements for brown Mexicans v. white Canadians that is discriminatory and racist. As far as I'm concerned they are supporting racism by their silence, not by their vote in a so obviously skewed poll.

When racism is promoted as commonly accepted language, society is infused with racism. People become practicing racists whether they know it or not. Amid all the passion and time they had for defending poor sensitive Sir Moby they didn't have one line concerning I-9 discrimination. Isn't that always the way when racism is accepted in the common language?

I maintain that if you promote racism through the use of racist phrases, commonly accepted language or not, you are a racist because you are practicing racism. Ignorance is never an acceptable excuse.

Those illegal aliens are not under the protection of our constitution, because they are not citizens, so they are guilty of being here illegaly until they prove otherwise. The only thing they are bound by it the geneva convention.

It's not racist to say illegal alien, this is the same PC liberal bullshit that has got us in this bind today, with having to be so careful with what we say to who we say it. I don't worry about it though, it will go away with the baby boomers. My generation doesn't give a rats ass about being PC.

[Cat slave]

Apparently Libby boy doesnt have enough to do but argue pointless issues.
Maybe when he grows up he will see things a bit more clearly.

So, Lib, if I got a speeding ticket could I go before the judge and contend that
the cop was racist towardr me by claiming I broke the law ie the speed limit??
That I was outside the law? That I was lawless or illegally peforming the
operation of a large vehicle???

Oh, please! Again the race card is played when the issue has no merit and
no further argument can be salvaged.

Get a life Libby......if you so embrace the illegal aliens theN move to Mexico,
or OTM and serve them the rest of your life. Work and give them all your
money. If you manage to have a house fill it with Mexicans....the ones
who are not illegally breaking into our country. Walk your talk. How
many are you providing for at the present time? How many have you
sponsored and assisted so they wouldnt be ILLEGAL ILIENS!!!!

BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE.....ILLEGAL AND FRIGGIN ALIENS.

God, what a putz.

[Cat slave]

CNN is racist. I saw them use the phrase Illegal Aliens. Fox is racist because I heard them use it tonight as well. I'm having a hard time finding a none racist any where outside of Libby.

What should we call the aliens that are here and not working? Undocumented unemployed?

You're wrong. Face it. You can't find a single post of mine that you can use as an example of my racism.

Isn't it just time that you put on your big boy panties and admit that you're wrong? Of course you should additional posts that I've made that support your claim. There are well over 2k here.

When you make such a false claim you should be ready to support it or admit your mistake.

Speaking of CNN, did you see back during the Katrina thing that Wolf Blitzer
said "they are SO poor and SO BLACK! Wonder what all would come out of
the woodwork if that had been utttered on Fox or other station???

[Moby]

I didn't say he was wrong.
You used the term in one of your posts. The question is if using the term "Illegal Alien" makes you a racist.

He's welcome to strong feelings about the term. That's not his argument or what we're debating. We're debating if everyone that uses the term is racist. That would include you my lady ;)

[Libraltarian]

Those illegal aliens are not under the protection of our constitution, because they are not citizens, so they are guilty of being here illegaly until they prove otherwise. The only thing they are bound by it the geneva convention.

It's not racist to say illegal alien, this is the same PC liberal bullshit that has got us in this bind today, with having to be so careful with what we say to who we say it. I don't worry about it though, it will go away with the baby boomers. My generation doesn't give a rats ass about being PC.

R u nuts? If you are within the geographical boundry of the USA or one of our protectorates you enjoy the full protection of our law. Just so you know it's the same in every country. Sheesh.

Everyone of you is wrong and everyone of you including Fox and CNN is racist. You'll not convince me otherwise. As we said in the 60's, "if you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem."

I had no idea racism was this deep seated in the American psyche.

[Moby]

I had no idea racism was this deep seated in the American psyche.
It seems to be about 301,139,946 are wrong and you're the 1 that's right :lmao2:

Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, there's a small chance that you could be wrong?

[Moby]

R u nuts? If you are within the geographical boundry of the USA or one of our protectorates you enjoy the full protection of our law. Just so you know it's the same in every country. Sheesh.
You would like to think that but unfortunately the Military Commissions Act of 2006 took away all rights to anyone that is not a US citizen any where in the world including your home.

It's a very scary piece of legislation.

It basically states that Robert Gates or anyone above him can create a Military Commission and any member of that commission can designate anyone a military combatant. They need no reason.

At that point they have no rights.

I guess this is something else that you study.

[teagan]

I prefer "Crimmigrant" or "Crimalien"

[KrisW]

It seems to be about 301,139,946 are wrong and you're the 1 that's right :lmao2:

Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, there's a small chance that you could be wrong?


Someone actually admit they are WRONG on the interent????????????:disbelief:

THAT would be a first:lmao2:

[Libraltarian]

Someone actually admit they are WRONG on the interent????????????:disbelief:

THAT would be a first:lmao2:

Amazin' ain't it that in the Dem primary, polls indicate Clinton has 2 to 1 lead among white males and about the same among women. But nobody is racist or sexist.

Equally amazin' is that I saw a poll a few weeks some 18% of whites said they would never vote an African-American for President for President. But none of them are racist.

I've no doubt that Sir Moby has a healthy self-image, delusional as it may be, a healthy self-image would include celebrating his bleached skin tone. But that isn't racist.

Seems to me racism only applies when it it someone else. Except for me that is, I admit to some degree I am a racist.

A disgruntled African-American left my office today that I was a "white bitch" and that he gonna get payback on my on my "honky white ass." But I suppose he isn't racist either.

It ain't about admitting right or wrong, it's about taking responsibility for what we are. What a shame Baby Boomers won't live to see how history remembers them.

[mwillman]

The basis for the word is not racist but it is often used from a racist perspective and has become code for many to represent thier hate.

[Moby]

Amazin' ain't it that in the Dem primary, polls indicate Clinton has 2 to 1 lead among white males and about the same among women. But nobody is racist or sexist.

Equally amazin' is that I saw a poll a few weeks some 18% of whites said they would never vote an African-American for President for President. But none of them are racist.

I've no doubt that Sir Moby has a healthy self-image, delusional as it may be, a healthy self-image would include celebrating his bleached skin tone. But that isn't racist.

Seems to me racism only applies when it it someone else. Except for me that is, I admit to some degree I am a racist.

A disgruntled African-American left my office today that I was a "white bitch" and that he gonna get payback on my on my "honky white ass." But I suppose he isn't racist either.

It ain't about admitting right or wrong, it's about taking responsibility for what we are. What a shame Baby Boomers won't live to see how history remembers them.
I thought that you were leaving. If you hate us so much then why the fuck do you keep coming back?

Liking someone because they have a similar background as you is not racist.
Thinking that someone similar to you can understand and represent you is not racist.

Racism is when you think that your group, be it ethnic, educational, gender or what have you is better then other groups. You're constantly trying to prove that you are better then all of us.

This thread is weather using the term "Illegal Alien" automatically makes you a racist or not. Can you not understand any of the differences. You jumped to the wrong conclusion. Admit it. Get over it and get on with poor lowly life.

You may have more luck trying to convince others that you are better them. I'm sorry that we're not buying it here.

[Cat slave]

Amazin' ain't it that in the Dem primary, polls indicate Clinton has 2 to 1 lead among white males and about the same among women. But nobody is racist or sexist.

Equally amazin' is that I saw a poll a few weeks some 18% of whites said they would never vote an African-American for President for President. But none of them are racist.

I've no doubt that Sir Moby has a healthy self-image, delusional as it may be, a healthy self-image would include celebrating his bleached skin tone. But that isn't racist.

Seems to me racism only applies when it it someone else. Except for me that is, I admit to some degree I am a racist.

A disgruntled African-American left my office today that I was a "white bitch" and that he gonna get payback on my on my "honky white ass." But I suppose he isn't racist either.

It ain't about admitting right or wrong, it's about taking responsibility for what we are. What a shame Baby Boomers won't live to see how history remembers them.

God, what do you have to be to be .....non sexist, non racist non anything?
There are only so many choices.
And illegal alien has nothing to do with race....it has to do with ILLEGAL!

[Cat slave]

The basis for the word is not racist but it is often used from a racist perspective and has become code for many to represent thier hate.

The race card is played when at a loss to come up with a valid argument on
many issues. Just cry "race" and everyone cowers and crawls away...not!

[Cat slave]

Moby nailed it again!

[LadyMod at scam.com]

When our thoughts - which bring actions - are filled with hate against anyone, Negro or white, we are in a living hell. That is as real as hell will ever be.

George Washington Carver

[Libraltarian]

I thought that you were leaving. If you hate us so much then why the fuck do you keep coming back?

Liking someone because they have a similar background as you is not racist.
Thinking that someone similar to you can understand and represent you is not racist.

Racism is when you think that your group, be it ethnic, educational, gender or what have you is better then other groups. You're constantly trying to prove that you are better then all of us.

This thread is weather using the term "Illegal Alien" automatically makes you a racist or not. Can you not understand any of the differences. You jumped to the wrong conclusion. Admit it. Get over it and get on with poor lowly life.

You may have more luck trying to convince others that you are better them. I'm sorry that we're not buying it here.

Again when Moby and the vast majority of Buchanonites use the term "illegal alien" they refer only to brown skinned people who speak English with an accent.

Moby show one time where you have advocated against white skinned Canadians arriving here illegally. Show me just one post where you advocated stricter controls on the our Northern border. Like your racist white trash mentors Pat Buchanon and David Duke you haven't, won't and can't because you'll let white skinned English speaking Canadians in freely.

Hell Moby you haven't posted on the unfairness of the I-99 rules that favor Canadians though I've given you ample opportunity. You favor whites by your silence and advocate against browns by using racist terms to describe them. IF that isn't racist I don't know what is.

It surprises me not that pig vomit white trash slime like Moby would remain in denial.

[Moby]

Again when Moby and the vast majority of Buchanonites use the term "illegal alien" they refer only to brown skinned people who speak English with an accent.

Moby show one time where you have advocated against white skinned Canadians arriving here illegally. Show me just one post where you advocated stricter controls on the our Northern border. Like your racist white trash mentors Pat Buchanon and David Duke you haven't, won't and can't because you'll let white skinned English speaking Canadians in freely.

Hell Moby you haven't posted on the unfairness of the I-99 rules that favor Canadians though I've given you ample opportunity. You favor whites by your silence and advocate against browns by using racist terms to describe them. IF that isn't racist I don't know what is.

It surprises me not that pig vomit white trash slime like Moby would remain in denial.
Weren't you leaving Dickhead? I think that you've stepped into a world full of delusions and you keep getting me confused with others.

You come here and you comment that someone in your office called you a "Honkie". Guess what? That wasn't me. Really. It wasn't.

You state that more women are voting for Hillary and fewer black people support Bush and act like that's my fault. Guess what? It's not my fault. I've had pretty much nothing to do with it.

Now Dickhead, show me where I'm advocating against illegal aliens? I mean other then using the commonly accepted term "illegal aliens"? Show me the statements that I've made against the illegal aliens? Show me where my racism exists?

Look Dickhead, if you're unhappy with your career, your neighborhood, your love life or whatever then that's your problem. It ain't mine. The person that called you a Honkie was not me. Was not a friend of mine or someone I hired to harass you.

You're getting very paranoid and it's time that you stop stalking me and get on with your life. I know that you're an attractive 54 year old man but I'm not interested. Move along please.

[Moby]

If I didn't vote for Obama then am I racist?
If I didn't vote for Hillary am I sexist?
If I didn't vote for either then am I racist and sexist? :lmao2:

Libby, you're really losing it. Go get some help.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Weren't you leaving Dickhead? I think that you've stepped into a world full of delusions and you keep getting me confused with others.

You come here and you comment that someone in your office called you a "Honkie". Guess what? That wasn't me. Really. It wasn't.

You state that more women are voting for Hillary and fewer black people support Bush and act like that's my fault. Guess what? It's not my fault. I've had pretty much nothing to do with it.

Now Dickhead, show me where I'm advocating against illegal aliens? I mean other then using the commonly accepted term "illegal aliens"? Show me the statements that I've made against the illegal aliens? Show me where my racism exists?

Look Dickhead, if you're unhappy with your career, your neighborhood, your love life or whatever then that's your problem. It ain't mine. The person that called you a Honkie was not me. Was not a friend of mine or someone I hired to harass you.

You're getting very paranoid and it's time that you stop stalking me and get on with your life. I know that you're an attractive 54 year old man but I'm not interested. Move along please.

LOL, I feel your pain Moby.

RG does this same thing to me all the time. You are going to have to learn to live with it or ignore it. I would recommend ignoring it. No one is going to help you anymore than they would help me.

It wouldn't do any good even if they did.


:lmao2:

[Libraltarian]

Weren't you leaving Dickhead? I think that you've stepped into a world full of delusions and you keep getting me confused with others.

You come here and you comment that someone in your office called you a "Honkie". Guess what? That wasn't me. Really. It wasn't.

You state that more women are voting for Hillary and fewer black people support Bush and act like that's my fault. Guess what? It's not my fault. I've had pretty much nothing to do with it.

Now Dickhead, show me where I'm advocating against illegal aliens? I mean other then using the commonly accepted term "illegal aliens"? Show me the statements that I've made against the illegal aliens? Show me where my racism exists?

Look Dickhead, if you're unhappy with your career, your neighborhood, your love life or whatever then that's your problem. It ain't mine. The person that called you a Honkie was not me. Was not a friend of mine or someone I hired to harass you.

You're getting very paranoid and it's time that you stop stalking me and get on with your life. I know that you're an attractive 54 year old man but I'm not interested. Move along please.

It appears I'm invited back Moby. Yer a moderator. Quit sending me emails.

as for your post above it is pure nonsense. You are a racist slinging racist trash terms Moby. You answer a challenge with a challenge. I checked many of your posts Moby and you are all for white folk and have nothing good to say about people of color, except to brand them all "illegal aliens"' Yer a racist p.o.s. and too cowardly to admit it.

[Moby]

I checked many of your posts Moby and you are all for white folk and have nothing good to say about people of color, except to brand them all "illegal aliens"' Yer a racist p.o.s. and too cowardly to admit it.
OK Dickhead.

Let me see if I understand you correctly.

You can't find a single post that supports your case that I'm a racist but you also can't find a single post that supports that I'm not a racist. So by default I must be a racist.

Did I follow your logic correctly?

Aren't there some meds that you should be taking?

Really. I wasn't that one that called you white bitch. Obviously you don't believe me but really it wasn't me

[Libraltarian]

OK Dickhead.

Let me see if I understand you correctly.

You can't find a single post that supports your case that I'm a racist but you also can't find a single post that supports that I'm not a racist. So by default I must be a racist.

Did I follow your logic correctly?

Aren't there some meds that you should be taking?

Really. I wasn't that one that called you white bitch. Obviously you don't believe me but really it wasn't me

Nope you don't get it. I understand facing reality is difficult for the self-delusional. Why do you keep inviting me back?

[bigfootzx]

Recently Libraltarian accused me of being racist and told me to shove my racism up my ass for using the phrase "Illegal Aliens". He/She claims that the correct term is "Undocumented Aliens" and that anyone using the term "Illegal" is a racist.

I see the term "Illegal" being used everywhere and a quick search of articles written today show it's being used quite a bit in the media and this is just 60 seconds of searching.

http://dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=3376
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6626823
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/0109biz-illlegalscost0110-ON.html
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/5437213.html

Those that know me on a personal level know that my wife is an alien and many of my closest friends are aliens. If they lose their documents then I would consider them "undocumented" because they are here legally.

The most frustrating thing about Libraltarian's comments is that I was merely posting an article that I thought was funny and sad about some Brazilian workers that were returning to Brazil because the upswing in their economy and the falling dollar doesn't make it profitable for them to be here any more.

I posted the article as a good lesson that we should learn from Brazil but Dick Head didn't even bother to get it.

Illegal aliens is a socially acceptable as well as politically correct way to identify people who enter the country illegally. Hell if we started using undocumented aliens then every asshole with an opinion would PUGE RACISM for using Undocumented Aliens too. We communicate with language, aka the spoken word and it is politically correct to use the term illegal alien!! Get over it!!

Nothing racist about sirmoby's use of the phrase. Or anyone elses!! The Undocumented Aliens crap is more about dodging the issue and clouding the issue with more nonsense, one of the many forms of the old Platomic 2 Step.

Politicians, lobbiests and others use the phrase. The illegal aliens dillemma would have been solved years ago if it were not for all the ignorant morons who deviate from the issue instead of working to solve the problem.

Illegal Alien!!! Keep using it, I am!! 93.33% voted NO, wonder why?????

Hell I just voted for Obama to keep Hillary from getting a vote!!!

Am i sexist because Hillary is female or because I think she is wrong for the country???
She is wrong for the country, period. Her husband refused to go after bin Laden and the end result my dad was killed on September 11, 2001. Fuck the Clinton's!!!!!!!

chico's, wetbacks, Hulio's, etc........ now those are racist terms

[Libraltarian]

"illegal aliens" is racist language because those who use it only refer to brown skinned Hispanics. It is also politically and legally incorrect unless it used specially and specifically to identify only those who have been convicted.

None of you use the phrase in its proper legal definition and that is why you are all racist for using it improperly. OR would ya'll just rather accept that you're all exhibiting your lack of knowledge and stupidity, if malice is absent when you are using the phrase incorectly?

If Moby, Ladymod, BigFootsie and the rest freely admit that no malice was intended by using the phrase incorrectly and that each is just ignorant in the use of a legal phrase and /or just plain stupid, I could be inclined to accept the notion that they are less than racist than most.

[Moby]

If Moby, Ladymod, BigFootsie and the rest freely admit that no malice was intended by using the phrase incorrectly and that each is just ignorant in the use of a legal phrase and /or just plain stupid, I could be inclined to accept the notion that they are less than racist than most.
Hey Dickhead.

So far you have been unable to point to a single post by any of us here on this board that showed any signs of malice. You are making accusations without the ability to support your claim.

You're also assuming that we care if you accept the notion of us being less racist then most.

Have you ever thought for a minute that maybe you are wrong? That just because you see something inside yourself that doesn't mean that it's inside everyone else. It's possible that you are just mentally disturbed individual and that most people are different then you.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

If Moby, Ladymod, BigFootsie and the rest freely admit that no malice was intended by using the phrase incorrectly and that each is just ignorant in the use of a legal phrase and /or just plain stupid, I could be inclined to accept the notion that they are less than racist than most.

I already said I would not use the term because you didn't like it and it offended you.

That's all you are getting out of me.


Lady Mod

[bigfootzx]

"illegal aliens" is racist language because those who use it only refer to brown skinned Hispanics. It is also politically and legally incorrect unless it used specially and specifically to identify only those who have been convicted.

None of you use the phrase in its proper legal definition and that is why you are all racist for using it improperly. OR would ya'll just rather accept that you're all exhibiting your lack of knowledge and stupidity, if malice is absent when you are using the phrase incorectly?

If Moby, Ladymod, BigFootsie and the rest freely admit that no malice was intended by using the phrase incorrectly and that each is just ignorant in the use of a legal phrase and /or just plain stupid, I could be inclined to accept the notion that they are less than racist than most.

ILLEGAL ALIENS IS NOT RACIST, we happen to use the term for illegal stowaways on cruise ships, airplanes as well as for Canadians who walk across the border. Now does everyone have brown skin, hell no!!! The term has been used when Russians cross into Alaska. Russian mobsters sneak in women and use them as prostitutes. Chinese have been deemed illegals for stowing away on cargo ships. The list goes on and on. this term does not identify skin color.

Just because 12 million plus illegals are here does not give them the right to demand we change our terms used to identify illegals. Nor do we have to change the term just because legal mexicans want the term changed. Like I said, if the govt. had started off using Undocumented Aliens, they would whine about that term too. Crossing the boder is illegal and Mexican have violated our laws to get here, when they could cross at border locations.

Illegal Aliens have no rights under the CONSTITUTION, please get your head out of your REVERSE RACIST ASS and provide the Article and paragraph where it states in the CONSTITUTION that illegal aliens have rights in our country???? Illegal Aliens have no rights, except for basic human rights to food, shelter and a day in court, as well as transportation back home. Cross the border legally or you are in violation of our laws, period!!

Which country are you from??? There is no lack of knowledge, I know the defintion and I will use it as long as I want, whenever I want and I don't care for your REVERSE RACIST TONE. You are the one who is full of hate and anger. All visitors from other countries must identify themselves at the border and state whether they are here for business, pleasure or both, that is the law.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=reverse+racism

If I leave the USA by crossing the border like Illegals, I'm also breaking the law by leaving without notifying the authorities that I'm leaving the USA. There are penalties for leaving the USA illegally too. The Mexican govt. will arrest all illegal aliens coming out of the USA and they will go to court and if sentenced, go to jail and pay a fine, after jail time they put illegal aliens on a bus and drive them to El Norte. And yes, the MEXICAN GOVERNMENT refers to Americans who refuse to cross at designated border locations as Illegal Aliens. That is a fact, same is true if a Guatemalan crosses into Mexico illegally. Is the Mexican govt. racist too, they use illegal alien to identify people too.

Just because 12 million plus illegals are here does not give them the right to demand we change our terms used to identify illegals. Nor do we have to change the term just because legal Mexicans want the term changed. Like I said, if the govt. had started off using Undocumented Aliens, they would whine about that term too. Crossing the boder is illegal and Mexican have violated our laws to get here, when they could cross at border locations. Changing the words will only lead to more complaints as well as confusion as to what is legal and appropriate.

ILLEGAL ALIEN is used to identify people who broke the law by entering the country ilegally. Anyone who violates the law and crosses into the USA is deemed an illegal alien regardless of skin color and the term is politcally correct and there is nothing you can do about it. Free Speech rules the day and night. You are wrong to assert that I'm racist

FYI, my name is Bigfootzx, get it right and stop being a reverse racist, hell you don't even know which nation my family is from. I am not racist, if I were, believe I would not hold back online, that I can guarantee you.

[hdmarketing]

The answer is HELL NO!

They are Illigal!

Plain and simple.

They are also un documented, and that means ILLIGAL!

What in the hell is wrong with people?

[bigfootzx]

R u nuts? If you are within the geographical boundry of the USA or one of our protectorates you enjoy the full protection of our law. Just so you know it's the same in every country. Sheesh.

Everyone of you is wrong and everyone of you including Fox and CNN is racist. You'll not convince me otherwise. As we said in the 60's, "if you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem."

I had no idea racism was this deep seated in the American psyche.

Wrong, Illegal Aliens have no rights under the Constitution. Remember the debates over terrorist suspects, what rights did they have beyond basic human rights...............none! You get no protection under the Constitution when entering the country illegally, I'm mean seriously, with your defintion of what the Constitution stands for, then illegals are eligable to vote, to have a drivers license and to run for public office. Full protection of the law, my ass.


yeah LRD, calling Sir Moby a racist was probably a tactical mistake. I believe that those who use racist language in common communication are racist whether they know it and admit it or not.

Jim Crow lasted 100 years. Jim Crow was commonly accept too. Derogatory phrases such as disabled in place of medically challenged or illegal alien in place of undocumented are discriminatory.

I maintain that if you promote racism through the use of racist phrases, commonly accepted language or not, you are a racist because you are practicing racism. Ignorance is never an acceptable excuse.

You made more than a tatical mistake, you made a complete mistake and jumped the gun by attacking a someone and then engaging others with the same attack. You are wrong and you owe us an apology!

You have been using racist phrases attacking us, so you are a racist by your own definition, right????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????

fyi, I typed my second response before reading other posts because I wanted to respond to your response to my first post. The fact that you are a white female is alarming. The fact that you are racist by your own defintion is even more alarming. If you are not racist, then we are not racist either, right???

"I believe that those who use racist language in common communication are racist whether they know it and admit it or not." <<<<<Your words not mine.

[Libraltarian]

Wrong again BigFoot. The most common term for people who didn't belong on a ship was 'stowaway.'

Again all you racists using the term 'illegal alien' to mean someone who hasn't already been tried and convicted are using the phrase in a racist context. No person is an illegal anything in this country until found guilty in a court of law.

OH and one more thing. Patriot Acts I & II, will be challenged in the courts up and until those of who understand the law and are able to practice law find a way to convince the Court that the law is unconstitutional. On that we will not quit.

In the meantime, you racists should follow Bush and just shutup and go shopping like the useless eaters you are.

[hdmarketing]

Wrong again BigFoot. The most common term for people who didn't belong on a ship was 'stowaway.'

Again all you racists using the term 'illegal alien' to mean someone who hasn't already been tried and convicted are using the phrase in a racist context. No person is an illegal anything in this country until found guilty in a court of law.

OH and one more thing. Patriot Acts I & II, will be challenged in the courts up and until those of who understand the law and are able to practice law find a way to convince the Court that the law is unconstitutional. On that we will not quit.

In the meantime, you racists should follow Bush and just shutup and go shopping like the useless eaters you are.

I am starting to think that YOU are an illigal alien.
Probably not here legaly, and still demanding your rights.

[bigfootzx]

Wrong again BigFoot. The most common term for people who didn't belong on a ship was 'stowaway.'

Again all you racists using the term 'illegal alien' to mean someone who hasn't already been tried and convicted are using the phrase in a racist context. No person is an illegal anything in this country until found guilty in a court of law.

OH and one more thing. Patriot Acts I & II, will be challenged in the courts up and until those of who understand the law and are able to practice law find a way to convince the Court that the law is unconstitutional. On that we will not quit.

In the meantime, you racists should follow Bush and just shutup and go shopping like the useless eaters you are.

You are wrong as usual, they are stowaways on board, I was referring to the definition in court. They are both stowaways and if they make it on land and get caught, they are illegal aliens too. Get your facts straight! Touching land makes them illegal under Maritime Law.

Illegals have no rights under the Constitution, prove me wrong with the ARTICLE and paragraph from the Constitution that guarantees illegal aliens rights under the law, they have none???

I'm still waiting for proof ??? The Constitution is online, every law ever written is!!!

You are confusing the definition of illegal alien and innocent till proven guilty.

Quote us the Immigration law that says they are innocent till proven guilty.

No ID, no proof of citizenship, they are deemed illegal, you have confused the two.

No rights, no right to claim anything, period.

Follow Bush WTF does that mean. ROFL, you are a eater too!!!!! Don't you go shopping too???

You need to go eat your MEDS.
It's people like you who whine like fucking morons for change where no one is even complaining.

Are you in favor of proposition 215 too ????

Hell I know latinos who think illegal aliens should be deported for violating our laws too.

[Moby]

They are also un documented, and that means ILLIGAL!

I prefer the term illegal since anyone could lose their documents or simply just not have them at all times.

[Libraltarian]

I prefer the term illegal since anyone could lose their documents or simply just not have them at all times.

Moby gives the typical white supremacist Nazi response, "You will have your papers." But he's not a racist. uh, yeah, okay. Sell it to the I.Q. challenged Moby, I ain't buyin' yer b.s.

Above BigFootzie displays his ignorance of the difference between an administrative and judicial hearing. Sadly, the vast majority of undocumented persons don't have the $50k and up to finance an appeal from administrative to judicial. Consequently fools like BigFootzie come to believe administrative law is the final word.

[bigfootzx]

Moby gives the typical white supremacist Nazi response, "You will have your papers." But he's not a racist. uh, yeah, okay. Sell it to the I.Q. challenged Moby, I ain't buyin' yer b.s.

Above BigFootzie displays his ignorance of the difference between an administrative and judicial hearing. Sadly, the vast majority of undocumented persons don't have the $50k and up to finance an appeal from administrative to judicial. Consequently fools like BigFootzie come to believe administrative law is the final word.

LibbyBimbo, are you sure about that, are you a lawyer and a bimbo too???
You have not provided proof that the constitution recognizes illegal aliens
beyond basic human rights?? Why are you dodging the bullet??? We all know why!

I know the difference between admin. & judical law, I also know you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Why can't you find supporting evidence in the constitution???

Illegals have no rights under the Constitution, prove me wrong with the ARTICLE and paragraph from the Constitution that guarantees illegal aliens rights under the law, they have none???

Now you are also discriminating against us too with names like White Supremasist Nazi, eaters....WTF is an eater???

You are wrong about illegal alien incomes, many work in production and service industry jobs. Not everyone picks veggies for a living and they make tax free income in most cases and live off our government.

You are racist & discriminating against us !!! Grow up!!!

[bigfootzx]

Libertarians strongly oppose any government interfering in their personal, family and business decisions. Essentially, we believe all Americans should be free to live their lives and pursue their interests as they see fit as long as they do no harm to another. Libertarians believe in, and pursue, personal freedom.

So you want to put people in jail because they refuse to vote, what a hypocrite. You want more control and less freedom. Libertarians are the opposite of you, you are a Natzi hate mounger!!!

This whole thread is about the hate and anger you have against others on this site, noting more. Try to get along and avoid starting threads based soley on personal attacks.

There are but 3 problems with our electoral system:

1. Penalties for not voting should be more severe. I'd make it a felony with a minimum 1 year and/or a $2,500. fine.

2. Elections should be publicly funded.

3. Registration requirements for partys, candidates and voters need to be simplified.

Kabir Jafee reads like some typical ivory tower think tank wannabe with nothing of value or practical use to offer. 'splains why Moby took it seriously.

[Moby]

Moby gives the typical white supremacist Nazi response, "You will have your papers." But he's not a racist. uh, yeah, okay. Sell it to the I.Q. challenged Moby, I ain't buyin' yer b.s.
Dickhead, you've really lost it and now you're putting words in my mouth that I have never spoken and never typed. Be honest. Recently you decided that you're better off without the meds that have been recommended to you. Right?

I happen to be married to an immigrant who is here legally. When she is out and about she's undocumented as she doesn't have her papers with her but she's legally here.

If you read my post then maybe you'd understand why I'm not a big fan of the "undocumented" phrase. I think that it would be a shame if people had to walk around carrying documents with them.

[KrisW]

Dickhead, you've really lost it and now you're putting words in my mouth that I have never spoken and never typed. .

A common trolling technique on the internet. Simlar to "littleredog's" claim I "envy" him/her.


Be honest. .

Honesty and the internet are often mutually exclusive.

[Binky]

Recently Libraltarian accused me of being racist and told me to shove my racism up my ass for using the phrase "Illegal Aliens". He/She claims that the correct term is "Undocumented Aliens" and that anyone using the term "Illegal" is a racist.

I see the term "Illegal" being used everywhere and a quick search of articles written today show it's being used quite a bit in the media and this is just 60 seconds of searching.

http://dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=3376
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6626823
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/0109biz-illlegalscost0110-ON.html
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/5437213.html

Those that know me on a personal level know that my wife is an alien and many of my closest friends are aliens. If they lose their documents then I would consider them "undocumented" because they are here legally.

The most frustrating thing about Libraltarian's comments is that I was merely posting an article that I thought was funny and sad about some Brazilian workers that were returning to Brazil because the upswing in their economy and the falling dollar doesn't make it profitable for them to be here any more.

I posted the article as a good lesson that we should learn from Brazil but Dick Head didn't even bother to get it.



Well, undocumented is just another word they are trying to get us to use in order to hide the fact that they are, in fact, illegal.

Illegal, is illegal. It's as simple as that and doesn't warrant a lot of time discussing it. Makes me wonder as to which letter in the word didn't they understand. I...l...l...e...g...e or l?

By the way, they are undocumented because they can't find them. I don't think they've even tried. They have no damn clue as to how many illegals there are hiding in this country or where they are at. What a life it must be for those in hiding trying not to get detected. I sure wouldn't want to be living in a foreign country illegally hiding in it somewhere. How scary that must be.

[Cat slave]

I pulled up in front of a Dollar General yesterday and there was this huge
green sign stating they took food stamps and something else....I wouldnt
know what that is, but it was in English AND Spanish!!! I was breathing
fire. Deserving citizens need help but they cant get it but the foreigners
can sure tap into the system.

Whats wrong with that picture?

[Binky]

I pulled up in front of a Dollar General yesterday and there was this huge
green sign stating they took food stamps and something else....I wouldnt
know what that is, but it was in English AND Spanish!!! I was breathing
fire. Deserving citizens need help but they cant get it but the foreigners
can sure tap into the system.

Whats wrong with that picture?


Well, America has become a two language country. Next thing we know they'll be putting directions on boxes and stuff in Japanese, chinese, vietnamese etc. Now we cater to the Mexicans, who, for the most part, are illegal. It's a shame what this country has come to.

[Sharon]

Recently Libraltarian accused me of being racist and told me to shove my racism up my ass for using the phrase "Illegal Aliens". He/She claims that the correct term is "Undocumented Aliens" and that anyone using the term "Illegal" is a racist.

I see the term "Illegal" being used everywhere and a quick search of articles written today show it's being used quite a bit in the media and this is just 60 seconds of searching.

http://dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=3376
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6626823
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/0109biz-illlegalscost0110-ON.html
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/5437213.html

Those that know me on a personal level know that my wife is an alien and



many of my closest friends are aliens. If they lose their documents then I would consider them "undocumented" because they are here legally.

The most frustrating thing about Libraltarian's comments is that I was merely posting an article that I thought was funny and sad about some Brazilian workers that were returning to Brazil because the upswing in their economy and the falling dollar doesn't make it profitable for them to be here any more.

I posted the article as a good lesson that we should learn from Brazil but Dick Head didn't even bother to get it.

I think it would sound racist only if used on and alien who was here legally.
Alien merely means from somewhere else. Illegal=against the law, unlawfully. Some people just choose to be offended! It's a way for them to avoid the awkwardness of the issue.

[Sharon]

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103

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INVASION USA
Illegal aliens murder

12 Americans daily
Death toll in 2006 far overshadows total

U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, Afghanistan

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Posted: November 28, 2006
1:00 am Eastern


By Joseph Farah
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com




WASHINGTON – While the military "quagmire" in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began.
Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.

Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

Total U.S. troop deaths in Iraq as of last week were reported at 2,863. Total U.S. troop deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan during the five years of the Afghan campaign are currently at 289, according to the Department of Defense.

(Story continues below)


But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.

While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That's 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.

While no one – in or out of government – tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence suggests many of last year's 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens.

A report by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Study found 20 percent of fatal accidents involve at least one driver who lacks a valid license. In California, another study showed that those who have never held a valid license are about five times more likely to be involved in a fatal road accident than licensed drivers.

Statistically, that makes them an even greater danger on the road than drivers whose licenses have been suspended or revoked – and nearly as dangerous as drunk drivers.

King also reports eight American children are victims of sexual abuse by illegal aliens every day – a total of 2,920 annually.

Based on a one-year in-depth study, Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute of Atlanta estimates there are about 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States who have had an average of four victims each. She analyzed 1,500 cases from January 1999 through April 2006 that included serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants.

As the number of illegal aliens in the U.S. increases, so does the number of American victims.

According to Edwin Rubenstien, president of ESR Research Economic Consultants, in Indianapolis in 1980, federal and state correctional facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. But at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in all U.S. jails and prisons.

While the federal government doesn't track illegal alien murders, illegal alien rapes or illegal alien drunk driving deaths, it has studied illegal aliens incarcerated in U.S. prisons.

In April 2005, the Government Accountability Office released a report on a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following:

The 55,322 illegal aliens studied represented a total of 459,614 arrests – some eight arrests per illegal alien;
Their arrests represented a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses – some 13 offenses per illegal alien;
36 percent had been arrested at least five times before.
"While the vast majority of illegal aliens are decent people who work hard and are only trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, (something you or I would probably do if we were in their place), it is also a fact that a disproportionately high percentage of illegal aliens are criminals and sexual predators," states Peter Wagner, author of a new report called "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration." "That is part of the dark side of illegal immigration and when we allow the 'good' in we get the 'bad' along with them. The question is, how much 'bad' is acceptable and at what price?"


We can't allow this to happen anymore! :mad:

[Moby]

Well, America has become a two language country. Next thing we know they'll be putting directions on boxes and stuff in Japanese, chinese, vietnamese etc. Now we cater to the Mexicans, who, for the most part, are illegal. It's a shame what this country has come to.
I spent most of my life inside the beltway and it's always been common for stores to cater to different languages. Some place would have Russian and English, other Chinese, Spanish and different languages depending on the customer base.

Things like that don't bother me.

Having so many undocumented people running around does. Either we go after businesses that hire them or we give them status. I would prefer that we go after the businesses but that's not going to happen while the PNAC has influence in our government.

[Binky]

I spent most of my life inside the beltway and it's always been common for stores to cater to different languages. Some place would have Russian and English, other Chinese, Spanish and different languages depending on the customer base.

Things like that don't bother me.

Having so many undocumented people running around does. Either we go after businesses that hire them or we give them status. I would prefer that we go after the businesses but that's not going to happen while the PNAC has influence in our government.


I couldn't agree more. I don't think it'll ever happen. It's become the norm for us to let our politicans and such do whatever they damn well choose to.

[Sharon]

How ironic.

Libraltarian pretends to be so concerned about stopping
speech that MIGHT possibly offend someone, and yet he
has no qualms whatsoever about using highly offensive
and inflammatory speech in a direct personal attack on
someone simply for using a word he doesn't approve of.

Hey Libby, can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E?

LOL!

like beevis and butthead.