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LadyMod at scam.com
01-06-2008, 09:53 AM
I thought this was interesting.

Can You Count on Voting Machines? (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/magazine/06Vote-t.html?th&emc=th)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/01/01/magazine/06voting600.1.jpgiVotronic touchscreen voting machines in a warehouse in Pittsburgh.

By CLIVE THOMPSON
Published: January 6, 2008

Jane Platten gestured, bleary-eyed, into the secure room filled with voting machines. It was 3 a.m. on Nov. 7, and she had been working for 22 hours straight. “I guess we’ve seen how technology can affect an election,” she said. The electronic voting machines in Cleveland were causing trouble again.

For a while, it had looked as if things would go smoothly for the Board of Elections office in Cuyahoga County, Ohio. About 200,000 voters had trooped out on the first Tuesday in November for the lightly attended local elections, tapping their choices onto the county’s 5,729 touch-screen voting machines. The elections staff had collected electronic copies of the votes on memory cards and taken them to the main office, where dozens of workers inside a secure, glass-encased room fed them into the “GEMS server,” a gleaming silver Dell desktop computer that tallies the votes.

Then at 10 p.m., the server suddenly froze up and stopped counting votes. Cuyahoga County technicians clustered around the computer, debating what to do. A young, business-suited employee from Diebold — the company that makes the voting machines used in Cuyahoga — peered into the screen and pecked at the keyboard. No one could figure out what was wrong. So, like anyone faced with a misbehaving computer, they simply turned it off and on again. Voilà: It started working — until an hour later, when it crashed a second time. Again, they rebooted. By the wee hours, the server mystery still hadn’t been solved.

Worse was yet to come. When the votes were finally tallied the next day, 10 races were so close that they needed to be recounted. But when Platten went to retrieve paper copies of each vote — generated by the Diebold machines as they worked — she discovered that so many printers had jammed that 20 percent of the machines involved in the recounted races lacked paper copies of some of the votes. They weren’t lost, technically speaking; Platten could hit “print” and a machine would generate a replacement copy. But she had no way of proving that these replacements were, indeed, what the voters had voted. She could only hope the machines had worked correctly.

As the primaries start in New Hampshire this week and roll on through the next few months, the erratic behavior of voting technology will once again find itself under a microscope. In the last three election cycles, touch-screen machines have become one of the most mysterious and divisive elements in modern electoral politics. Introduced after the 2000 hanging-chad debacle, the machines were originally intended to add clarity to election results. But in hundreds of instances, the result has been precisely the opposite: they fail unpredictably, and in extremely strange ways; voters report that their choices “flip” from one candidate to another before their eyes; machines crash or begin to count backward; votes simply vanish. (In the 80-person town of Waldenburg, Ark., touch-screen machines tallied zero votes for one mayoral candidate in 2006 — even though he’s pretty sure he voted for himself.) Most famously, in the November 2006 Congressional election in Sarasota, Fla., touch-screen machines recorded an 18,000-person “undervote” for a race decided by fewer than 400 votes.

The earliest critiques of digital voting booths came from the fringe — disgruntled citizens and scared-senseless computer geeks — but the fears have now risen to the highest levels of government. One by one, states are renouncing the use of touch-screen voting machines. California and Florida decided to get rid of their electronic voting machines last spring, and last month, Colorado decertified about half of its touch-screen devices. Also last month, Jennifer Brunner, the Ohio secretary of state, released a report in the wake of the Cuyahoga crashes arguing that touch-screens “may jeopardize the integrity of the voting process.” She was so worried she is now forcing Cuyahoga to scrap its touch-screen machines and go back to paper-based voting — before the Ohio primary, scheduled for March 4. Senator Bill Nelson, a Democrat of Florida, and Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, Democrat of Rhode Island, have even sponsored a bill that would ban the use of touch-screen machines across the country by 2012.

It’s difficult to say how often votes have genuinely gone astray. Michael Shamos, a computer scientist at Carnegie Mellon University who has examined voting-machine systems for more than 25 years, estimates that about 10 percent of the touch-screen machines “fail” in each election. “In general, those failures result in the loss of zero or one vote,” he told me. “But they’re very disturbing to the public.”

Indeed, in a more sanguine political environment, this level of error might be considered acceptable. But in today’s highly partisan and divided country, elections can be decided by unusually slim margins — and are often bitterly contested. The mistrust of touch-screen machines is thus equal parts technological and ideological. “A tiny number of votes can have a huge impact, so machines are part of the era of sweaty palms,” says Doug Chapin, the director of Electionline.org, a nonpartisan group that monitors voting reform. Critics have spent years fretting over corruption and the specter of partisan hackers throwing an election. But the real problem may simply be inherent in the nature of computers: they can be precise but also capricious, prone to malfunctions we simply can’t anticipate.

A lot more story HERE (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/magazine/06Vote-t.html?pagewanted=2&th&emc=th).

Moby
01-06-2008, 11:20 AM
Can You Count on Voting Machines? (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/magazine/06Vote-t.html?th&emc=th)
That's the stupidest question ever asked about voting.

The real question is, "Can you trust the people that are programming those machines and what incentives do they have to provide accurate votes"?

There is only reason to do away with a paper trail and that's not to ensure more accurate voting.

disrupter
01-06-2008, 11:40 AM
There must always be a paper audit trail.

Software programming is too complex & subtle & easily manipulated by a few or even a single person to be trusted on its own.

IMO it has already been used to steal the 2004 presidential election.
The complete mismatch between the 'official' computer results & the exit polling makes it a virtual provable fact.

My local election prints a paper reciept after you vote & in trying to read it as it passed by being printed it did have all those positions i managed to read as it moved. I am pretty comfortable with that.
Oddly i am almost more suspicious of an all mail-in ballot. Although the requirement of pretty broad collusion to affect that outcome reflects my paranoia at this point.

Optimally the receipt is printed BEFORE you even pull the final lever so any problems can be found BEFORE the vote is cast.

LadyMod at scam.com
01-07-2008, 08:39 AM
That's the stupidest question ever asked about voting.

The real question is, "Can you trust the people that are programming those machines and what incentives do they have to provide accurate votes"?

There is only reason to do away with a paper trail and that's not to ensure more accurate voting.


Paper is not that accurate either when you consider what happened in 2,000. When the electoral vote is different from the popular vote there are problems.

And we can't trust our Supreme Court to make wise and fair decisions anymore.


Lady Mod

kres24GT
01-07-2008, 11:32 AM
Depends on if my candidates win or not. Cheating goes on in every election on all sides and levels. People only care if their canddiate loses.

LadyMod at scam.com
01-07-2008, 12:01 PM
Depends on if my candidates win or not. Cheating goes on in every election on all sides and levels. People only care if their canddiate loses.


Well, I didn't vote that year as I didn't care for either candidate. But I was concerned over what happened.

Lady Mod

Moby
01-07-2008, 12:06 PM
Electronic votes should be compared to paper votes.

All code used in voting machines should be open source. Yes, that's correct. It should be readily available to the public and if it isn't then there's no way to verify that the code is accurate.

People should also be able to use receipt to verify that there vote was counted accurately.


The new voting system doesn't do any of that and everyone familiar with data security issues knows why. :(