NJ Supreme Court OKs Gay Marriage

[Linkster]

So now that NJ has been added to the same sex marriage rolls - although this one is a little different in that the NJ laws make it possible for non-residents to be married there and return to their own states - what are your opinions?

Mine is pretty much in line with what the court said - since the states constitution doesnt prohibit it the Supreme Court has to rule for it - and I certainly have always felt that anyone who wants a union should be able to get it - and others have no place making judgements about it whatsoever

[Linkster]

Actually after reading the real decision - this is not ok'ing gay marriage - its saying that same sex "unions/partnerships" will enjoy the same rights and privledges as any married couple - the court left it up to the legislature to call it what it wants - same thing Vermont did a few years ago

[Moby]

What's the big deal with gay marriage? Why do people care if 2 men or 2 women get married?

[Linkster]

Moby - who the fuck knows - but there is a real small percentage of ultra-conservative christians that believe it is against the writings in the bible - unfortunately they have the highest paying lobbying representation in Wash DC.
I figure from what Ive seen over the years is that the people that yell the loudest in opposition to something are just trying to hide their own involvement in either that same thing or something much worse
i.e. Foleys sponsorship of the strictest legislation in history against child predators and kp

[Tommy]

they say its a threat to the American family model

I don't see how
could someone please tell me how?????


I am married 15 years in march (I think)
I have 3 little children and yes I was married at a church AND

I could care less if gays get married


what i find funny about this whole thing is the church really doesn't have the power to marry anybody

the church cant marry you without a marriage license from the state
and as soon as you go down to the court house or whatever and sign that license... you are officially married

what happens days later when you walk the the aisle at the church is just for show

so to connect this with some sort of religious reasoning is just stupid

[Linkster]

Tommy - you are exactly right - and it seems that a lot of things get connected to religion and church that have no place there - but that is just spin created by extreme right wing church leaders that make their income by bilking their followers

[boortzland]

So lets just all abandon any morality what so ever.

First of all The Constitution does not give any rights to couples of any kind. The homosexual community started by saying "they just want to be accepted", but now the want the goverment to legitimize them.

Let them do a "Domestic Partnership" if you want, but further toloerance, acceptance, normalizing, or what ever you want to call it will further erode the "Family" as we know it.

I guess you guys think if it feels good it must be ok. let everyone do what ever the heck they want, no matter what the consequeces to society.

[Tommy]

Boortz

I never liked gay people, the whole idea disgusts me
but to see a group of people picked on just to raise money is even more disgusting

but its the same old story with the GOP
pick on a group that cant defend themselves to get the campaign dollars flowing in
40 years ago it was little black school girls

what about ... All men are created equal
does that only apply if you approve of what they do in their bedrooms

when you get divorced do you go to a church or to a judge


ya know behind the gop's backs the going joke is calling it
the gay old party

[Tommy]

can someone please tell me exactly how gay marriage hurts my family

I have 3 little children to look out for

if they are in danger I need to know

[Linkster]

So lets just all abandon any morality what so ever.

First of all The Constitution does not give any rights to couples of any kind. The homosexual community started by saying "they just want to be accepted", but now the want the goverment to legitimize them.

Let them do a "Domestic Partnership" if you want, but further toloerance, acceptance, normalizing, or what ever you want to call it will further erode the "Family" as we know it.

I guess you guys think if it feels good it must be ok. let everyone do what ever the heck they want, no matter what the consequeces to society.
Boortzland - first off I was referring to the NJ State Constitution which is different than the US constitution and does have different wording which does give rights to any couples - and their state supreme court upheld that.

As far as your beliefs in morality and erosion of society I would love to see any studies done by a NON-Partisan group that would support that claim

The family as YOU know it is probably different from a lot of families as others know them - so placing your puritanical views on anyone else is your choice - but - it doesnt mean anyone else has to accept them

Some of us have figured out that religion is just a cult that has instilled a mentality of values on a particular group of peoples - and in most cases, especially the "morally superior" as you seem to be, have been responsible for the most horrific annihilations of human beings over history - from the crusades to the jews under Hitler to the Iraqis under Bush - all in the name of that religion cult

[Tommy]

Some of us have figured out that religion is just a cult that has instilled a mentality of values on a particular group of peoples - and in most cases, especially the "morally superior" as you seem to be, have been responsible for the most horrific annihilations of human beings over history - from the crusades to the jews under Hitler to the Iraqis under Bush - all in the name of that religion cult


lets not forget the Salem witch hunts
which ended up with a lot of little girls hanging at the end of a rope or burned at the stake

all done by christians in the name of god

[Tommy]

to funny

N.J. gay ex-governor wants to wed partner
Opposed same-sex marriage while in office to hide his homosexuality
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15428947/


TRENTON, N.J. - Former Gov. James McGreevey, who resigned after acknowledging a gay affair, said he would tie the knot with his partner if state lawmakers decide to allow gay marriage.
"Marriage would offer the ability to bless our relationship in a committed way," McGreevey, 49, told The New York Times.

[Moby]

So lets just all abandon any morality what so ever.

Boortz, I asked a question and now's your chance to take the floor and provide a reasonable answer not based on emotion, fear or hearsay.

Marriage has changed a great deal and the same argument has been used for centuries.

"A woman is nothing more then her husband's property. Making her anything else will destroy the family"

"Marriage should be arranged by the parents as they know what is best"

"Married women should not work because it will destroy the family"

"Gay couples will only raise gay children because heterosexual couples only raise heterosexual children"

Boortz or anyone else please give us some reasonable reasons why this is such a terrible thing. There's no reason to get angry or emotional about something just because you don't like. Help us understand the reason why you don't like it and why it's so bad.

[mksmith2]

In the Nov. 7th elections in Wisconsin there is an amendment on the ballot that will make marriage an act of one man and one women.

http://fairwisconsin.com/index.html

"Marriage. Shall section 13 of article XIII of the constitution be created to provide that only a marriage between one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in this state and that a legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized in this state?"

I think this is a grossly unfair and even the faculty members at the University have taken a stand against the proposed legislation.

I will give you an update after the election on what happends...

[mksmith2]

Here is another link that is also to the fair Wisconsin website, but it refers to the stance of Christians who are against the amendment.

http://fairwisconsin.com/faith/christians.html

[mksmith2]

So the polls are in, and gay marrage is out... there was a big push in liberal madison, but the rest of the cow hugging state seemed to believe that taking rights away from people was a good idea. I am ashmed that people can not put down their bibles for 2 seconds to see how this issue is affecting real people. Nobody is saying that they have to be gay, but only let other people do what they want. Nobody was asking for a union to be in their church, but only in the court.

[Linkster]

Fortunately there were many other states where the electorate turned down bans on gay equality/rights - as well as the complete defeat of the ban on abortions in S Dakota - so I would say that some states are starting to read and decide issues for themselves finally instead of trusting their thoughts and direction to corrupt politicians