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Bill
12-17-2007, 11:17 PM
Read this article, talking about the "decrease in the trade deficit, using the new accounting methods".

The new accounting methods now also track "investment money" - and "investment money:" flowing into this country is growing.

What does this mean? Are "investors" buying trasury bonds? No, the dollar is weak, US interest rates suck, nobdoy wants the dollar.

What's happening, is that the rich middle east and china are BUYING UP american companies and assets, at bargain basement prices, taking advantage of the weak dollar and our cheesy debt-ridden economy to buy our capital base and interior wealth.

Our "goods" deficit was still $199 billion. We imported 200bil more goods than we exported. Our manufacturing still sucks.

Now look at the little notice at the bottom of the article. "Oh yeah, by the way, just last month things were worse, and the goods deficit with china reached a new high".

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22295425/

The Commerce Department reported Monday that the current account trade deficit fell by 5.5 percent to $178.5 billion in the July-September quarter. That was a better-than-expected showing and the smallest current account imbalance since a $173.4 billion deficit in the third quarter of 2005.

The current account is the most comprehensive measure of trade because it includes not only trade in products and services but also investment flows between countries.

The trade improvement reflects in part the decline of the dollar against many other major currencies. A weaker dollar makes U.S. products cheaper in foreign markets while making foreign goods more expensive for American consumers.

The deficit in goods shrank by 2.2 percent to $199.7 billion in the third quarter as record levels of export sales helped offset a rising foreign oil bill.

The surplus in services, items such as airline tickets and consulting fees, increased by 3 percent to $26.5 billion. The surplus in investment income flows surged by 61.5 percent to $20.5 billion. The only deterioration occurred in the category that includes foreign aid, which rose to $25.8 billion, up from $23.2 billion the previous quarter.

The decline in the current account deficit left it a 5.1 percent of the country's total economic output, down from 5.5 percent from the second quarter. That was the lowest level in terms of GDP since the first quarter of 2004.

The government reported last week that the monthly deficit in just goods and services rose in October to $57.8 billion, reflecting record oil prices and a record deficit with China. While it was the highest monthly imbalance since July, economists are still looking for the deficit for the year to decline as American manufacturers see export gains from the weaker dollar and stronger growth overseas.

Moby
12-18-2007, 01:18 AM
So far I've only heard 3 people claim the economy to be good right now. Dubya, Cheney and RG. Even on Fox they're talking about ways to fend off the coming recession.

The problem is that we went balls to walls with all the short term tricks to boost the economy but we acted like they're permanent fixes.

Lowered taxes
Borrowed money
Lowered interest rates
Printed more money
Changed lending laws
Employed workers without rights
Increased government jobs
Had the government create huge amounts of jobs

We've done all that for 6 years to get the growth that we have now. Unfortunately we didn't invest or employ any long term strategies. This is exactly what happened in 3 oil companies that are on Dubya's resume.

The problem with doing all these things at once is that you can't sustain it and we didn't get enough growth to cover the penalty of doing these things.

Write In Your Vote
12-18-2007, 02:19 AM
what are you doing watching FOX? :D

good info!

disrupter
12-18-2007, 03:05 AM
War is expensive.

You spend money to destroy assets.

No way to run a railroad.

Cat slave
12-19-2007, 04:06 AM
Hmmm.....didnt someone a few years back talk about some "fuzzy math"?
Free trade is not the same as fair trade. Bring back tariffs!!!!

moonman
12-19-2007, 04:55 AM
I forget who, was it here or on the old PBS board I had this debate with a whacko, who alleged that the flow of money back into the USA was an offset to the trade imbalance in real stuff.

We don't make products anymore. We invent technology, we design and we outsource the production. We even run a trade deficit in food for the first time in our history.

While it is true, trade dollars must come back. And they are as any realtor, investment banker and business broker in our financial markets of NY, LA & Miami can attest.

The real reason I believe we're toast is that directly as a result of Bush/Cheney, we and England are the debtor nations locked in conflict through some War on Terrorism, with the world's creditor nations.

I challenge radioguy, hd, and all the other whackos to point out one time, just one time in history when the world's debtor nations defeated the world's creditor nations.

Cat slave
12-19-2007, 12:46 PM
Well, I would cast my net a bit further but you are in the ball park with
Bush for sure. He has pushed all the dilution of our manufacturing with
the giddy and winsome grin into the wonderland of globalization. I want
to know just whats wrong with a little isolationism?

WTF are we doing importing anything but rice from third world countries?
Can we not grow rice? We produce meat that is exported, grain that is
exported, textiles that are exported....well, we export the whole damn
factories but we did used to make real good textiles and garments and shoes.
I wont belabor the areas where we are capable of providing for ourselves but
those were the better days for all of us. We need a good sampling of those
times back.

There are an awful lot of us out here refusing to buy Chinas
garbage which means we are buying a lot less stuff anymore and that is
good for our pockets and wallets and we are finding things made in the USA
and make a point to tell the manager of the store how thrilled we are to find
these items and would spend more $$ if they had more made in the USA
things! I stood in a pet food store yesterday looking at a USA produced
cat food. I stood there and called them on my cell phone to find out where
they source their ingredients and was guaranteed that every ingredient was
sourced within America/the USA. Guaranteed! Did I wish to receive a list
of the sources of their ingredients? No, since they offered they had nothing
to hide and I bought the food.

Support America....put our industries back to work.

disrupter
12-19-2007, 12:49 PM
So in otherwords all those hyperrich Americans who were vampiring off wealth from the broad American public with the complicity of a criminal government are now being forced to pass that off to foreign interests?

A rape is turning into a global gang rape.

kudos, Cat Slave, you care about America.

Moby
12-19-2007, 01:09 PM
The real reason I believe we're toast is that directly as a result of Bush/Cheney, we and England are the debtor nations locked in conflict through some War on Terrorism, with the world's creditor nations.

I challenge radioguy, hd, and all the other whackos to point out one time, just one time in history when the world's debtor nations defeated the world's creditor nations.
These guys don't like history. They don't see any problem giving the old Nixon administration powers to listen to every thing. Who cares if Nixon wanted to do away with fair elections and democracy.

Who cares if the lat time 8 years of major cuts were followed by tax increases and a crippled economy all brought by their leaders.

Who cares that every nation that wanted religion to become law lost all technology leadership.

The list can go on and it shows in history so let's just ignore that please.