NOW who is shamelessly "USING" the troops politically?

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Criticizes the Dems for it but then turns around and does the same damned thing. Notice his suggestion will give him what he wants until he's out of the office?

Bush pushes Congress on spending bill (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-bush18dec18,1,5106385.story?coll=la-headlines-nation&track=crosspromo)
By Johanna Neuman, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
9:56 AM PST, December 17, 2007

WASHINGTON -- President Bush chided lawmakers today to pass a one-year continuing resolution if they "can't get the job done" on an omnibus spending package.

With House Democrats nearing agreement on a $516-billion catchall spending bill, Bush said that any measure must include funding for U.S. troops in combat.

"We're making pretty good progress toward coming up with a fiscally sound budget," Bush said during a speech at the Rotary Club of Stafford County in Fredericksburg, Va. But, he added, the package needs to fund U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan without what he called "an artificial deadline for withdrawal."

Earlier, White House spokesman Tony Fratto said officials are still poring through a 1,482-page bill finalized by Hill drafters on Sunday, and were encouraged that the measure mostly abides by Bush's budget.

The bill, which funds most federal agencies except the Pentagon, was designed to avoid a threatened Bush veto on domestic spending. Democrats had first proposed a $27-billion hike in domestic spending, representing an almost 7% increase, while the White House had urged a 1% hike. The compromise bill envisions a 3% increase. The House plans to take up the measure after midnight this evening.

Arguing that the U.S. economy is strong, (What planet is this nutcase referring to?) Bush said that his tax cut policies have spurred six years of growth and employment successes and repeated his pledge to veto any tax increase. "You want to figure out a way to slow this economy down, just start taking money out of people's pockets," he said.

Bush also urged Congress to pass a fix for the AMT, the alternative minimum tax first enacted as a bite on the wealthy that is now threatening to strike more than 23 million households next spring. Noting that the Senate has passed "a good bill," Bush said he hoped the House would "move quickly." Otherwise, he said, "the longer they delay, the more likely it is that refund checks will be late." The House had delayed action on the measure in hopes of finding off-setting funding to pay for the fix.

As for government appropriations, Bush said that with Congress hoping to leave town before the Christmas holiday, "I've got a suggestion. If they can't get the job done like I'm hopeful they can ... Pass a one-year continuing resolution."

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[disrupter]

same ones who always have,

the NeoLiars.

[kres24GT]

Haven't all politcians done this since the invention of politics?

[disrupter]

They used to have generals & kings who actually led soldiers/warriors into battle. Often they would be elected in the case of democracies/republics.

Are you implying it isn't wrong to use soldiers as a shield for a failed or bad policy?

or just 'doesn't matter'?

[hdmarketing]

[B]Arguing that the U.S. economy is strong, (What planet is this nutcase referring to?)

He is talking about THIS COUNTRY.

Lady Mod, it is quite apparent that you don't know what you are talking about.

The Economy is actually doing quite good.

Payrolls Grew by 128,000 in August.

The tally of new jobs last month was slightly stronger than the 125,000 that economists were forecasting.

The nation's unemployment rate dropped down a notch from a five-month high of 4.8 percent in July.

Job gains for June and July also turned out to be better than previously estimated.

In June, employers boosted payrolls by 134,000 positions and in July they added another 121,000.

Economic growth clocked in at a 2.9 percent pace in the April-to-June quarter, slightly better than first estimated.

Home Sales were actually up last month.

94,000 new jobs were created in November, the 51st straight month of job gains. The United States has added 1.5 million jobs in the past 12 months and about 8 and a half million jobs since August 2003. Employment increased in 48 states and the District of Columbia over the year ending in October. (Last updated: December 7, 2007)

November’s 4.7 percent unemployment rate is close to its lowest reading in 6 years. Unemployment rates have declined in 25 states and the District of Columbia over the year ending in October. (Last updated: December 7, 2007)

Real GDP growth was 4.9 percent in the third quarter of 2007, supported by strong gains in business investment and exports. (Last updated: November 29, 2007)

Business spending on commercial structures and equipment rose solidly in the third quarter. Healthy corporate balance sheets bode well for continued investment growth. (Last updated: November 29,2007)

Strong global growth is boosting U.S. exports, which grew by 10.2 percent over the past 4 quarters. (Last updated: November 29, 2007)

Core inflation remains contained. The consumer price index excluding food and energy rose 2.3 percent over the 12 months ending in October. (Last updated: December 14, 2007)

Tax receipts rose 6.7 percent in fiscal year 2007 (FY07) on top of FY06’s 11.8 percent increase. As a share of GDP, FY07 receipts exceeded their 40-year average. (Last updated: October 12, 2007)

Real after-tax income per person increased 2.7 percent over the past 12 months (ending in October). (Last updated: November 30, 2007)

We are on track to make significant further progress on the deficit. The FY07 budget deficit was down to 1.2 percent of GDP, from 1.9 percent in FY06. Much of the improvement in the deficit reflects strong revenue growth, which in turn reflects the continued strength of the U.S. economy. Looking ahead, higher spending on entitlement programs dominates the future fiscal situation.

Source:
Us Department of the Treasury.

Now lady Mod, I ask you, What Planet are you on?

Ohhh and by the way, the Dow has been at record highs, and it is still high.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Source:
Us Department of the Treasury.

Now lady Mod, I ask you, What Planet are you on?

Ohhh and by the way, the Dow has been at record highs, and it is still high.

The DOW does not affect the pocket books of the regular people. Consumer spending- a much truer indicator of the economy is down.


And it's not the first time the "Treasury" skewed the figures to suit the president's whims.

Bigger debt does not make for stronger economies.

Eventually the Federal reserve isn't going to be able to afford to drop interest rates Cupcake. Then watch the shit hit the economic fan.



Lady Mod

[mwillman]

HD lives in lala land when it comes to the economy.

He seems to believe in the short term only ignoring the many long term indicators that show us on a death spiral of debt.

He seems to think that no growth is growth becuase the Dow has not gone up in 7 years other then to break even after many down turns.

He talks about the job market but ignores the drop in the average family income. Lossing a job in the factory and getting one in Mcdonalds is not economic growth.

Anyone can cherry pick indicators to make an argument but when the majority of them are pointing down well that doesnt mean things are rosie.

[disrupter]

hdmarketing is a part of the criminal elite,

for them, things have NEVER been better.

[radioguy]

And it's not the first time the "Treasury" skewed the figures to suit the president's whims.

Any proof of that?

Of course not... You all never do have any.

Bigger debt does not make for stronger economies.

What bigger debt would that be? The budget deficit has been lowered in each of the last two years, and is expected to be lowered again this year.

Also Ladymod, the president is not using the troops as you claim. He is actually looking out for them by demanding that congress include funding for them in their next spending bill.

[hdmarketing]

HD lives in lala land when it comes to the economy.

He seems to believe in the short term only ignoring the many long term indicators that show us on a death spiral of debt.

He seems to think that no growth is growth becuase the Dow has not gone up in 7 years other then to break even after many down turns.

He talks about the job market but ignores the drop in the average family income. Lossing a job in the factory and getting one in Mcdonalds is not economic growth.

Anyone can cherry pick indicators to make an argument but when the majority of them are pointing down well that doesnt mean things are rosie.

Fact of the matter is the numbers don't lie and they are there.
It is quite obvious that you are talking out of your ass.

Dumb Shit.

[Little Red Dog]

LOL. What a fucking moron.

Bush took the Clinton budget surplus and blew it in his first year. Now that the Democrats have reined in Freehand George, this eejit is trumpeting that the RECORD deficit Bush has saddled the nation with, has dropped.

Yeah. It's dropped down to a piddly $162.8 billion. Which doesn't include Bush's "supplemental" spending bills.

What a fucking moron.

[mwillman]

They give us dog shit and call it gold.

If we can't do the job right we will just tell everyone we are and hope they wont know the difference.

The numbers are crap HD the largest debt in world history is not something to be proud of. The biggest spenders in history and what have they done?

an artificial increase in the GDP becuase of war spending on credit will have a very short term positive effect on the economy but the problem with that thinking is the fact that it ignores the bill collector.

Gambling that an already bloated system will continue to grow faster then the interest payments is a crazy bet but its fine for the people that profit off the giant market fluctuations it creates.

Why should you guys care that your children are going to be paying for your folly for years to come right? I mean its not like you can take it with you after all.

[hdmarketing]

LOL. What a fucking moron.

Bush took the Clinton budget surplus and blew it in his first year. Now that the Democrats have reined in Freehand George, this eejit is trumpeting that the RECORD deficit Bush has saddled the nation with, has dropped.

Yeah. It's dropped down to a piddly $162.8 billion. Which doesn't include Bush's "supplemental" spending bills.

What a fucking moron.

You must be looking in the mirror.

facts don't lie.

WASHINGTON (AP) - The deficit for the first five months of the budget year is down sharply from a year ago as the growth in government tax collections continues to outpace growth in spending.
The Treasury Department reported that the deficit from October through February totaled $162.2 billion, down 25.5 percent from the same period last year.

That improvement came even though the deficit in February hit $120 billion, up 0.6 percent from last February's deficit of $119.2 billion.

The government had larger-than-expected surpluses in December and January.

For the budget year that began Oct. 1, revenues are up by 9.3 percent to a record $954.4 billion.

Spending for the period also set a record at $1.117 trillion, but that 2.3 percent rise was slower than the growth in revenues, resulting in a lower deficit.

The Bush administration is forecasting that the deficit for this year will total $244 billion, a slight improvement from the $248.2 billion actual deficit for the 20006.

However, the Congressional Budget Office is more optimistic, forecasting that the deficit for the current budget year should decline to $214 billion. That forecast assumes that Congress will approve President Bush's supplemental spending request for the war in Iraq.

The $248.2 billion deficit for 2006 was the smallest deficit in four years and down significantly from the all-time high, in dollar terms, of $413 billion in 2004.

U.S. federal deficit running sharply lower than a year ago with 1 month left in budget year

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/09/13/business/NA-FIN-ECO-US-Federal-Budget.php

GET YOUR FUCKING HEAD OUT OF YOU ASS.

THE ECONOMY IS DOING FINE.

YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING BAIN DEAD!

[mwillman]

So now you are claiming a victory for republicans when it was the democrats that slowed down spending.

You are a fucking joke HD give up trying to sound like you know or understand anything becuase your only fooling yourself.

[hdmarketing]

So now you are claiming a victory for republicans when it was the democrats that slowed down spending.

You are a fucking joke HD give up trying to sound like you know or understand anything becuase your only fooling yourself.
THE FUCKING DEMOCRAPS HAVN'T DONE SHIT!

YOU ARE SUCH A NUMBSKULL.

OPEN YOUR EYES AND READ!

YOUR DEMOCRATS DIDN'T DO A FUCKING THING.

GO RESERCH IT, OHH THAT'S RIGHT, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESERCH ANYTHING, JUST SQUACK LIKE A LITTLE PARROT THE SAME FUCKING THINGS OVER AND OVER.

FUCK OFF...

[mwillman]

Hey HD your caps lock is on again.

Typing childish names over and over again doesnt support your argument very well.

I think I will call you CWP from now on.
It stands for Childish Warmongering pedophile.

hey that works for almost the whole GOP.

[Jesse Hemingway]

THE FUCKING DEMOCRAPS HAVN'T DONE SHIT!

YOU ARE SUCH A NUMBSKULL.

OPEN YOUR EYES AND READ!

YOUR DEMOCRATS DIDN'T DO A FUCKING THING.

GO RESERCH IT, OHH THAT'S RIGHT, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESERCH ANYTHING, JUST SQUACK LIKE A LITTLE PARROT THE SAME FUCKING THINGS OVER AND OVER.

FUCK OFF...

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The economy is doing marvelous

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That's fucking hilarious what a bunch dumb asses:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[disrupter]

So in other words as soon as Democrats took power, government revenues went up? hmmm, so tax cheating under Republicans was reduced by Dems?

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Follow the Yellow Brick Road..... :rolleyes:


Fed Shrugged as Subprime Crisis Spread (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/business/18subprime.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/12/18/business/18subprime.600.1.jpg

By EDMUND L. ANDREWS
Published: December 18, 2007

WASHINGTON — Until the boom in subprime mortgages turned into a national nightmare this summer, the few people who tried to warn federal banking officials might as well have been talking to themselves.

Edward M. Gramlich, a Federal Reserve governor who died in September, warned nearly seven years ago that a fast-growing new breed of lenders was luring many people into risky mortgages they could not afford.

But when Mr. Gramlich privately urged Fed examiners to investigate mortgage lenders affiliated with national banks, he was rebuffed by Alan Greenspan, the Fed chairman.

In 2001, a senior Treasury official, Sheila C. Bair, tried to persuade subprime lenders to adopt a code of “best practices” and to let outside monitors verify their compliance. None of the lenders would agree to the monitors, and many rejected the code itself. Even those who did adopt those practices, Ms. Bair recalled recently, soon let them slip.

And leaders of a housing advocacy group in California, meeting with Mr. Greenspan in 2004, warned that deception was increasing and unscrupulous practices were spreading.

John C. Gamboa and Robert L. Gnaizda of the Greenlining Institute implored Mr. Greenspan to use his bully pulpit and press for a voluntary code of conduct.

“He never gave us a good reason, but he didn’t want to do it,” Mr. Gnaizda said last week. “He just wasn’t interested.”

Today, as the mortgage crisis of 2007 worsens and threatens to tip the economy into a recession, many are asking: where was Washington?

An examination of regulatory decisions shows that the Federal Reserve and other agencies waited until it was too late before trying to tame the industry’s excesses. Both the Fed and the Bush administration placed a higher priority on promoting “financial innovation” and what President Bush has called the “ownership society.”

On top of that, many Fed officials counted on the housing boom to prop up the economy after the stock market collapsed in 2000.

Mr. Greenspan, in an interview, vigorously defended his actions, saying the Fed was poorly equipped to investigate deceptive lending and that it was not to blame for the housing bubble and bust.

On Tuesday, under a new chairman, the Federal Reserve will try to make up for lost ground by proposing new restrictions on subprime mortgages, invoking its authority under the 13-year-old Home Ownership Equity and Protection Act. Fed officials are expected to demand that lenders document a person’s income and ability to repay the loan, and they may well restrict practices that make it hard for borrowers to see hidden fees or refinance with cheaper mortgages.

It is an action that people like Mr. Gramlich and Ms. Bair advocated for years with little success. But it will have little impact on many existing subprime lenders, because most have either gone out of business or stopped making subprime loans months ago.

Before this year, officials here enthusiastically praised subprime lenders for helping millions of families buy homes for the first time. “I was aware that the loosening of mortgage credit terms for subprime borrowers increased financial risk,” Mr. Greenspan wrote in his recent memoir, “The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World.” “But I believed then, as now, that the benefits of broadened home ownership are worth the risk.”

As housing prices soared in what became a speculative bubble, Fed officials took comfort that foreclosure rates on subprime mortgages remained relatively low. But neither the Fed nor any other regulatory agency in Washington examined what might happen if housing prices flattened out or declined.

Had officials bothered to look, frightening clues of the coming crisis were available. The Center for Responsible Lending, a nonprofit group based in North Carolina, analyzed records from across the country and found that default rates on subprime loans soared to 20 percent in cities where home prices stopped rising or started to fall.

“The Federal Reserve could have stopped this problem dead in its tracks,” said Martin Eakes, chief executive of the center. “If the Fed had done its job, we would not have had the abusive lending and we would not have a foreclosure crisis in virtually every community across America.”

MORE (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/business/18subprime.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&th&emc=th)

[Little Red Dog]

You must be looking in the mirror.

facts don't lie...

No they don't. Exactly my point. Bush took a record budget surplus and turned it into a record budget deficit. Now the deficit is a little lower than it was four years ago.

It doesn't negate the fact that Clinton took a deficit and turned it into the biggest surplus in seventy years. And Bush took that record surplus and turned it into the biggest deficit in our history.

Them's the facts. Sucks to be you.

[hdmarketing]

I think I will call you CWP from now on.
It stands for Childish Warmongering pedophile.

Ok that's cool, and I will call you HOMO BOY.

It stands for Homosexual Boy.

[mwillman]

You can if you want I am not embaressed by homosexuality.

I'm not gay but I have absolutely no issues with them so what you think is an insult is really just a misrepresentation. You can call me right handed as well even though im left handed it means about the same to me.

[hdmarketing]

You can if you want I am not embaressed by homosexuality.

I'm not gay but I have absolutely no issues with them so what you think is an insult is really just a misrepresentation. You can call me right handed as well even though im left handed it means about the same to me.

And the same applies to me.

[mwillman]

So what you are saying is that pedophilia and warmongering are OK by you and so you dont mind being called one?

Don't you think thats a bit sick.

[hdmarketing]

So what you are saying is that pedophilia and warmongering are OK by you and so you dont mind being called one?

Don't you think thats a bit sick.

I don't know, don't you think putting your dong in someone else shit is sick?

[mwillman]

ITs not what I would call fun but if two people like it and its not hurting anyone I dont have a problem with it.

Dont you think sticking a bullet in someone becuase your corporate masters want what they have is sick?

[hdmarketing]

ITs not what I would call fun but if two people like it and its not hurting anyone I dont have a problem with it.

well mwillman, I have don quite a bit of reserch on this subject, and it is a proven fact that Homosexuals are far more likely to engage in padophile activity than anyone else.

Dont you think sticking a bullet in someone becuase your corporate masters want what they have is sick?

It has nothing to do with Corp Masters.
It's about liberation and defeating those that would rather us dead.
It can also be called self defense.

[mwillman]

well mwillman, I have don quite a bit of reserch on this subject, and it is a proven fact that Homosexuals are far more likely to engage in padophile activity than anyone else.

That is a complete lie.
all the legitimate research has shown that the majority of pedophiles are conservative religious white men.



It has nothing to do with Corp Masters.
It's about liberation and defeating those that would rather us dead.
It can also be called self defense.

Seems to me you have done far more killing then those you keep calling the enemy. Tell me when did Vietnam invade American? Oh thats right they didnt.

Tell me when did Iraq attack us after 1991 of course? You just want us to beleive they are our enemies so that you can get back to killing since you have so much fun doing it.

[Little Red Dog]

well mwillman, I have don quite a bit of reserch on this subject, and it is a proven fact that Homosexuals are far more likely to engage in padophile activity than anyone else...

Gotta call bullshit on this one. Hetrosexual paedophile incidents far outnumber gay ones. But the gay ones get more media attention.

If you'd really done the research, you'd know that.

[hdmarketing]

Gotta call bullshit on this one. Hetrosexual paedophile incidents far outnumber gay ones. But the gay ones get more media attention.

If you'd really done the research, you'd know that.

Want to show something that backs up your claim?

[Little Red Dog]

..It's about liberation and defeating those that would rather us dead.
It can also be called self defense.

We should be actively at war on about 50 different fronts then. Lots of countries don't like us. Unfortunately, the number has grown since the Shrub instituted his "diplomacy at the point of a gun" strategy.

Are you proposing that we fight EVERYBODY who doesn't like the United States? And how do we do that without conscripting every man, woman, and child in the U.S.

Hell, we'd even have to conscript the illegal immigrants.

[hdmarketing]

Gotta call bullshit on this one. Hetrosexual paedophile incidents far outnumber gay ones. But the gay ones get more media attention.

If you'd really done the research, you'd know that.

I thought you wouldn't answer with anything that backs up your claim.

I however will:

Many gay activist groups support man-boy love. Take for example NAMBLA (http://nambla.org/) being a main supporter.
This disgusting group is pushing for decriminalization of pedophiles, making children become the next homosexual target.

Here is a shocking Statistic:
--20% of pedophile cases in the New York public schools are by homosexual teachers.

There is an extremely high percentage of homosexuals with aids, with estimates ranging from 30%-50%. Reliable statistics by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention show numbers over 3x as many as heterosexuals with aids (http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1402/table1.htm)

Now look what is on their page:
Freedom is indivisible. The liberation of children, women, boy-lovers, and homosexuals can occur only as complementary facets of the same dream. (http://nambla.org/pederasty.htm)
-- David Thorstad
That links to page with this:
The issue of love between men and boys has intersected the gay movement since the late nineteenth century, with the rise of the first gay rights movement in Germany.


There are also a growing number of gay child protection agencies (I call them "boy dick protection societies"), youth support organizations, groups that work with abused children and runaways (victims of family violence) who are receiving money from the state. But that money is available only if these agencies parrot the official antisexual (or antihomosexual) line of the state funders.


This man, and his Group stand for Pederasty or paederasty (literally 'boy-love', see etymology below) refers to an intimate or erotic relationship between an adolescent boy and an adult male outside his immediate family.

Go and look at it.
They are sick fucking padophiles!

NAMBLA according to their own admission is a political, civil rights, and educational organization.

There ya go, let the facts speak for themselves.

[mwillman]

You sir are a freaking fool who quotes lieing politically motivated charlatans.

NAMBAL is full of conservative white men, not outed homosexuals.

Pedophilia is not about sex its about control and that is a sickness that is far more prevolent in your circles then Gay circles.

[hdmarketing]

You sir are a freaking fool who quotes lieing politically motivated charlatans.

NAMBAL is full of conservative white men, not outed homosexuals.

Pedophilia is not about sex its about control and that is a sickness that is far more prevolent in your circles then Gay circles.


What?

Do you have anything to back that up with? I do.

NAMBLA is supported by th ACLU (which is a Democrat org).

That said, the ACLU lately has stained the dark side of its reputation through its actions in two cases involving the treatment of vulnerable, young Americans. The ACLU is defending those who abuse children while attacking those who give them moral guidance. This contrast reveals the priorities of today's ACLU.

The Manhattan-based public-interest law firm is defending the North American Man-Boy Love Association in a $200 million civil lawsuit filed by Mr. and Mrs. Robert Curley. The Curleys claim that Charles Jaynes was driven by the literature and website of NAMBLA, an outfit that advocates sex between grown men and little boys, reportedly as young as age 8.

http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200402270920.asp
\\Now what were you saying about them being Republicans?

They are backed by a Democratic Org.

Wnt to go another step that proves me rigt in my pedophile case?

The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) is a New York City and San Francisco-based unincorporated organization in the United States that advocates the legalization of sexual relations between adult males and under-aged boys.

It has resolved to "end the oppression of men and boys who have freely chosen mutually consenting relationships," in spite of the fact that such relationships are seen as child sexual abuse where the minor is unable to give consent. It also calls for "the adoption of laws that both protect children from unwanted sexual experiences and at the same time leave them free to determine the content of their own sexual experiences."

NAMBLA is strongly opposed to age-of-consent laws and all other restrictions which deny men and boys the full enjoyment of their bodies and control over their own lives.

Now come on muther fucker, lets debate.

I told you have reserched this subject very deeply.
I have my ammo, all backed by FACT, not hearsay.

[mwillman]

If you want to see the kind of people that are in NAMBLA then watch the movie chickenhawk. Its is a non political documentary on real live members of NAMBLA and you will learn that its not homosexuals but mostly freaky white conservatives with very demented views of what children think.


By the way all that typing you did did nothing except show that the freaks have lawyers. And even though I think they are evil I still think they deserve council.

Again. All the respected scientific research shows that the majority of pedophiles are conservative white religeous men not homosexuals.

[Moby]

Nothing like staying in topic :)

[mwillman]

Its a hard topic to stay focused on since both sides use the war and the troops to support thier arguments.

As ussual I think its the republicans that are using them for selfish gain but then I'm sure they would deny it and then call me names. :)

[hdmarketing]

If you want to see the kind of people that are in NAMBLA then watch the movie chickenhawk. Its is a non political documentary on real live members of NAMBLA and you will learn that its not homosexuals but mostly freaky white conservatives with very demented views of what children think.

The movie starred
Bill Andriette
Bill Bickly
Russ Coleman
Rennato Corazza
Charles Lee Dodson
Allen Ginsberg
Peter Melzer
David Miller
Robert Rhodes
Leyland Stevenson
Mason Wallace
Dennis J. Wardrop

NOT ONE OF THEM IS A KNOWN REPUBLICAN.

Again. All the respected scientific research shows that the majority of pedophiles are conservative white religeous men not homosexuals. We have been over that and I proved to you that is on both sides.

Besides, I was debating about how most of the Pedophile cases are by Gays.

Want to know something else that links them?

NAMBLA is the largest organization in the umbrella group IPCE (formerly "International Pedophile and Child Emancipation").

More fact that Gays are higher in padophile orgs.
Now, YOU Dems are PRO Gays ad that's a known FACT.

When you link Dems to gays, and Gays to Pedophiles, and pedophiles to NAMBLA, what do your get.

YOU ARE WRONG!!!

[hdmarketing]

As ussual I think its the republicans that are using them for selfish gain but then I'm sure they would deny it and then call me names. :)

Ohhhh, what's the matter poor baby can't take some name calling?

Seems as I remember someone digging into RG, but now that someone is crying himself.....:lmao2:

[mwillman]

You typing organizations names doesnt prove anything.

I dont think I said anyone in the movie chickhawk was a republican I called them conservative white men and that is true.

Again you are just speaking out your ass becuase you arnt proving anything except that you are misinformed.

[hdmarketing]

You typing organizations names doesnt prove anything.

I dont think I said anyone in the movie chickhawk was a republican I called them conservative white men and that is true.

Again you are just speaking out your ass becuase you arnt proving anything except that you are misinformed.


No un like your sory shit ass, I posted FACTUAL LINKS backing my case.

You havn't posteda fucking thing except YOUR OPINION!
Fact Blows away Opinion every time.

You have just been slammed by an old man.:lmao2:

You're Pathetic.

[Little Red Dog]

Without bothering with the rest of your pathetic little rant, let me just point out how dipshit crazy your reasoning is:

...
Here is a shocking Statistic:
--20% of pedophile cases in the New York public schools are by homosexual teachers.

...
There ya go, let the facts speak for themselves.

Let us assume that your unsourced statistic is correct. 20% of paedophile cases committed by homosexuals leaves 80% of paedophile cases committed by hetrosexuals.

Now, even using your distorted math, 20% is less than 80%.

Or put another way, "80% of the paedophile cases in New York City public schools are committed by hetrosexuals."

Yeah, facts can speak for themselves.

[hdmarketing]

Without bothering with the rest of your pathetic little rant, let me just point out how dipshit crazy your reasoning is:



Let us assume that your unsourced statistic is correct. 20% of paedophile cases committed by homosexuals leaves 80% of paedophile cases committed by hetrosexuals.

Now, even using your distorted math, 20% is less than 80%.

Or put another way, "80% of the paedophile cases in New York City public schools are committed by hetrosexuals."

Yeah, facts can speak for themselves.

Please refer to this post: http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=3105

[mwillman]

HD quoting very biased religious sources is not a valid argument.

Now if you could find any real medical studies that support your lies that would ne another matter but the truth is you cant. Becuase you are full of shit.