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disrupter
12-17-2007, 04:07 PM
. . . we’re local boys. We live in Ohio, in Columbus. And we saw the election of 2004 stolen right in front of our faces. And we reported it extensively, and everybody laughed at us. And they said, “Oh, this couldn’t happen in America.” And we documented it in How the GOP Stole America’s 2004 Election and Is Rigging 2008. We documented scores of ways that this election was stolen. And we pointed out a myriad flaws that we saw right in our own neighborhoods, of what was done to keep people of color and young people from voting and to rig the vote count.

I mean, the servers for the computation of the Ohio vote count were in the same basement in Chattanooga, Tennessee that houses servers for the Republican National Committee. The programmers who did the stuff for Ken Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State, were Republicans who did websites for the Bush administration. I mean, it’s amazing.

So, here we have—finally we have a Democratic Secretary of State, who took—spent $1.9 million of state money, hired Battelle, which is not exactly a progressive organization, to study it, and found that every single method of voting, pretty much, except for, you know, marking paper ballots, was corrupted in the 2004 election. They, you know—

AMY GOODMAN: Coming up with opposite results?

HARVEY WASSERMAN: Any—basically what she says was, you could have
manipulated the 2004 election results with a Blackberry.
You know, the Conyers report basically said all you had to do was drive by with a Wi-Fi. And she comes up and says there are very simple ways the 2004 election could have been flipped just like that. And that’s what we said since 2004. Look, this election could have—

We are guaranteed certain that John Kerry won Ohio in 2004. The election—
the exit polls showed him winning. There was a flip of 6.7% in the exit polls from the official vote count.
You know, my favorite, in Youngstown and in Franklin County in Columbus, in the inner city, people went in, and they hit touch-screen machines, and
they pushed “Kerry,” and “Bush” lit up.
How do you invent that? How do you make that up? We had votes that were taken away in a county in southeastern Ohio. They proclaimed a Homeland Security alert. Nobody knows where this came from. The FBI, the Homeland Security agency, they never called a Homeland Security alert, but suddenly—

AMY GOODMAN: You mean, they locked down the place.

HARVEY WASSERMAN: They locked down. They kept out the media. Suddenly the ballots disappeared.

And most importantly—and this, Jennifer Brunner did not discuss—I am party to a lawsuit. We filed a civil rights lawsuit. We won. The federal election law says the ballots were supposed—had to be protected, under federal law. We got an overlapping decision from a federal judge to preserve, for our civil rights suit, the preservation of these ballots. Fifty-six of eighty-eight counties in Ohio destroyed their election ballots, destroyed all their election records, or most of them, making a pure recount impossible. This is in direct violation of a federal court injunction and standing federal law. So far, nobody has been prosecuted. What kind of country are we living in?

Now, the Secretary of State comes out with a $1.9 million report and says that all the electronic methods of counting the votes that were used in Ohio in 2004 were easily—“easily,” that was her word—flipped. Anybody with a simple electronic machine could have gone in there and turned the election, and we know it was done, because the Republican Secretary of State was also co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign. How do you top that?

AMY GOODMAN: Ken Blackwell.

HARVEY WASSERMAN: Ken Blackwell, who’s gone.

AMY GOODMAN: And what’s he doing now?

HARVEY WASSERMAN: He’s out running a multimillion-dollar media operation, which is about to benefit from the FCC here. But—

AMY GOODMAN: The vote of Kevin Martin tomorrow.http://www.democracynow.org/2007/12/17/harvey_wasserman_on_new_ohio_voting

All Republican roads lead to corruption.

Republicans are the party of criminals & gangsters,
how does any actually decent person support unabashed criminals?

Religious right? -> Criminal wrongs.

kres24GT
12-17-2007, 04:17 PM
Since both sides cheat in elections how do you decide who wins? The cheating is so rampant on both sides which candidate do you disqualify? The one who won? The one who cheated more? Sad part of it the candidates themselves may have no knowledge.

You want to say only Republicans cheat, but it's not the case. If you think cheating didn't go the other way in Ohio for Kerry you are delusional and blind.


Personally I like the idea of DQing both candidates.

disrupter
12-17-2007, 04:40 PM
rationalize it anyway you want.

the Repubs are outed.

Now lets clean it up to make it hard for Dems to copy their crimes,
AND let's convict the Republican criminals for their crimes.

Send the fuckers of America to prison or give them the death penalty for treason.

kres24GT
12-17-2007, 05:03 PM
rationalize it anyway you want.

the Repubs are outed.

Now lets clean it up to make it hard for Dems to copy their crimes,
AND let's convict the Republican criminals for their crimes.

Send the fuckers of America to prison or give them the death penalty for treason.


Anyone suspected should be investigated and charged if necessary. No doubt there. However I was talking about the results. Both sides cheat. Do you deny this?

disrupter
12-17-2007, 05:34 PM
I know of historic cases of almost certain Democratic cheating in the 1960s.
[Chicago, machine politics Mayor Daley, Kennedy-Nixon]

I know of no significant more recent cases, do you?

Republicans have cheated to win the presidency in both 2000 AND 2004.

do you deny that?

kres24GT
12-17-2007, 06:11 PM
I know of historic cases of almost certain Democratic cheating in the 1960s.
[Chicago, machine politics Mayor Daley, Kennedy-Nixon]

I know of no significant more recent cases, do you?

Republicans have cheated to win the presidency in both 2000 AND 2004.

do you deny that?


No, I don't deny both sides cheat in every election at every level, because they do.

mwillman
12-17-2007, 07:37 PM
The question is can you show any proof that the democrats did anything near or like what the republicans did in 2000 or 2004?

moonman
12-17-2007, 07:57 PM
Reports I saw from a few years back showed Bush got more votes than there were registered voters in many Ohio precincts. Still, Bush/Cheney needed a wuss who wouldn't fight and he got one in John Kerry.

hdmarketing
12-17-2007, 08:05 PM
You fucking cry babies are still whining about this?

BooHoo, Bush Stole the election, we wone it fair and square, it's ours damn it and we deserve it, Bush is a liar, Cheney is stealing the oil, repubs are war mongering munkies.

GET THE FUCK OVER IT ALREADY.

CRYING ISN'T GOING TO GET YOU THE OFFICE.

YOU FUCKING LOST AND THERE IS NOT ONE DAMN THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.

But HD, we wone it fare and square, the repubs stole it from us!

Fuck Off....

Eve if we did steal it, there isn't a damn thing you can do to get it back.:taunt: :p

mwillman
12-17-2007, 08:46 PM
So HD what your saying is that it doesnt matter that someone cheated since it happened 7 and 3 years ago?

We should all just ignore it becuase its in the past.

You must realize how stupid that sounds right?

I mean we dont stop looking for criminals just becuase we haven't caught them yet do we?

If you can show that the democrats cheated then lets get them in jail. Of course the same should go for the republicans as well don't you think?

Lets have a real investigation of voter fraud that is done by people not in the pockets of either the democrats or the republicans.

Does that idea bother you to?

disrupter
12-17-2007, 09:03 PM
hdmarketing wants us to 'get over' democracy or rather the lack of it.

Well, what would you expect from a dull witted psychopath.

Independent Harry
12-17-2007, 11:54 PM
You fucking cry babies are still whining about this?

BooHoo, Bush Stole the election, we wone it fair and square, it's ours damn it and we deserve it, Bush is a liar, Cheney is stealing the oil, repubs are war mongering munkies.

GET THE FUCK OVER IT ALREADY.

CRYING ISN'T GOING TO GET YOU THE OFFICE.

YOU FUCKING LOST AND THERE IS NOT ONE DAMN THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.

But HD, we wone it fare and square, the repubs stole it from us!

Fuck Off....

Eve if we did steal it, there isn't a damn thing you can do to get it back.:taunt: :p

Spoken like a true american...

disrupter
12-18-2007, 02:42 AM
there is some respect for democracy.

Which color of urine do you piss on it with?

The yellow or the white? or the light gold?
with just that little bit of stinging stench.

Cats & dogs marking territory.
hdmarketing in action, making his rounds.