Illegal Immigrants - Can We Survive Without Them?

[Moby]

If we get rid of illegal immigrants then won't inflation hit commodities hard and drastically increase inflation?

Basically big economic troubles.

Constantly the members of PNAC and the farmers are telling us that we have to have the immigrants if we want to keep prices low. They haven't had to increase the wages of these workers in a decade and that means no inflation from wages or cost of living increases.

[Cat slave]

Oh God! I cannot believe what youre saying! I am pressed for time and dont
have disposal time to go very far with this. But, who the hell kept the country
humming along for more years than I can even stop to look up now. If they
were not here a lot of low skilled Americans would be working...at the jobs
the illegals wouldnt be here doing.....ERs would open back up to serve their
communities as before illegals started using our own laws and considerations
against us......health care costs would fall at least some as the medical
facilities and drs would not have to be eating so much on the walk in illegals..
this country would cease its headlong dive into the service industries ie McDonalds
or other kitchens or blue collar industries....the contsruction mom and pop
businesses would again thrive because they would not be constantly underbid
and undercut by the greedy profiteers and would again flourish....prison costs
would go down, crime control would go down, education would go down because
we wouldnt be having to build more and more schools with more and more
English as second (wtf?) as second language classes......transportation services the offspring of illegal offspring would go down ie school bus
transportation....our ERs wouldnt be contaminated with third world pathogens
that ride in on third world underclass illegal aleins. Ok thats all I have time
to waste today. Oh, one more.
Our lettuce and fruits might cost, lets see now, they figured out about 10 cents more per head.....sounds like a win win to me. Id pay that and more!
Thats all I have time to address today and have to get on with my day.
BUT THATS THE UP SIDE for sending illegals home to work on their own
country ie the plants that have left America to tap the job market there.
It would be a win win for us. Let the manufacturers that have skrewed
the American worker sell their crap in the countries where they have relocated because we can return to Made in America and again be solvent
and strong and a model for the rest of the world. Ah, that sounds good.

[Moby]

All I'm doing is asking the question.

Our economy has been very badly crippled and I believe that the only thing that's keeping inflation down is the slave labor and China manipulating their currency.

Both have to stop sooner or later and when they do we're going to see how damaging the past few years have been to our economy.

Americans don't even want to pay for the war. Instead they want to borrow money from China. Do you think they would stand for an increase in commodities of 15% to 25% and an increase in Chinese made goods of 40%?

I don't.

Please when you have time to discuss the issues I'd love to hear all of your opinions and in particularlly about inflation, which is about the last positive talking point on the economy and will cause major issues soon enough.

[kres24GT]

Abolish the deplorable minimum wage laws and lax immigration law to make it easier to come here legally than vice versa.

[disrupter]

Of course we would survive without them, but

would we of privilege be willing to live with the results?

Would some enterprises fail or just become less profitable?
Would we see increasing inflation because things cost more to get done?

flip side:
Would working wages in America go up? benefits increase?

Most practically do we even begin to have the wherewithal to deport them? I don't believe without gut wrenching repercussions. We can make it less comfortable so they might be inclined to self deport.

Historical Precedents: Also if we have a very severe economic downturn people reflexively become hyper-competitive & brutally exclusionary [xenophobic]. So any thinking illegal who wants to stay here has to hope the economy doesn't totally tank.

I don't emotionally favor amnesty, but it looks hard to avoid,
BUT let it be a probationary amnesty for 5 or 7 years where if they break any serious laws they get deported. They did break a law to come here & we need to impress upon them, as well as ourselves that we are going to be a law & order society not withstanding the DC criminal class & crooked employers who should be next in line to be kicked in the backside.

God can't we at least seal up the frigging border now?

Every single social economic issues gets punched by this completely unpredictable, unaccountable factor.
How can you feel good educating Americans & even resident illegal aliens when the expenditures may just go back over the border to Mexico next year & a new illegal comes & you begin again from scratch?
How about healthcare?
Now everyone wants to get punitive on the legal working poor of America to join the existing healthcare trainwreck, but another group of working poor in America [illegals] will be completely unaccountable & you couldn't even suggest not providing for them because it would be illegal to do so. Inexcusably unfair.

How do you heat a house in the dead of winter with all the doors & windows wide open?

It's madness.

If you allow the heat & cold & wind & rain & dirt & wild critters to run through your house you essentially have no shelter, no home, no nation.

Until you seriously address the wide open border, everything else has a wild swinging, unpredictable variable that makes ANY kind of planning, strategy, or proposal almost pointless.

I think we need to close the border. now. period.
we need to see if we can come up with some kind of guest worker program that is reasonably efficient, not too problematic, benefits America & is not excessively usury of immigrant labor.

America first, immigrants & migrants a close second.