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Moby
12-15-2007, 02:29 PM
Did anyone not see this coming? Of course the voting system is flawed. It was designed to be flawed. Tax payer money went to ensure that it was flawed.

http://www.newsdaily.com/TopNews/UPI-1-20071215-07411900-bc-us-ohioelections.xml

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071214/NEWS01/312140070
COLUMBUS – Ohio’s chief elections official Friday cast doubts on the security of the state’s entire voting system, less than a year before the state is likely to play a major role in picking the nation’s next president.

In a new report, Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner declared that – despite spending more than $100 million in federal money on new voting machines after the 2004 election – the voting systems all carry “serious risks to voting integrity.”

“To put it in everyday terms, the tools needed to compromise an accurate vote count could be as simple as ... using a magnet and a personal digital assistant,” she said.


The impact is unclear: many of the changes recommended in the report will require legislative action. But the report clearly jarred Columbus and local election boards, with Gov. Ted Strickland saying the report “raises serious issues that deserve serious review and consideration.”

The $1.9 million study, spanning nearly 1,000 pages, drew praise from Butler County Board of Elections Director Betty McGary, a Democrat, but scorn from Hamilton County Board of Elections Director John Williams, a Republican. Officials from Clermont and Warren counties did not return calls.

Neither election official was happy to hear they may have to drastically change their methods for counting votes – again – for next year’s presidential election.
Brunner’s report recommends eliminating touchscreen voting machines in 57 of Ohio’s 88 counties, including Butler.

The study also said memory cards used to keep a tally of votes at polling places that use paper “optical scan’’ ballots, such as Hamilton County, are not secure and should no longer be used. That would mean election officials would have to collect all the paper optical scan ballots at polling places and take them to a central location to be scanned and counted.

Williams said counting all votes at one location could extend Election Day by four days: “You might see the 11 o’clock news results on Saturday.”

The process already was slowed by the replacement of punchcards, Williams said. The county used to count 1,000 punchcards per minute, he said. It now takes an hour to count 1,000 optical scan ballots, he said. Brunner’s study calls for a more tedious, time-consuming process.

“Certainly this report that has just now today hit Boards of Elections, I will guarantee you . . .will just absolutely throw Ohio into a complete tailspin going into the presidential election,’’ McGary agreed.

Williams said he’s unaware of anybody ever hacking into an election system in a real-world environment, with the procedures that are in place, with any system. “I don’t think there has ever been a documented case of that happening,” Williams said. "There certainly has never been a prosecution. . .If you gave me the keys to the bank and combination of the safe, do you think I could break in? I could. Those again are not real-world scenarios under which we operate.”

Former Secretary of State Ken Blackwell delayed the purchase of new electronic voting equipment for the 2004 election citing 57 potential security risks within software and hardware of two companies’ voting systems. But Congress mandated the eventual replacement of punchcards through the federal Help America Vote Act.

McGary said Butler County has spent as much as $10 million, half of which was paid with federal tax dollars, installing Diebold touchscreen voting machines starting with the November 2005 election.

“The punchcard system isn’t looking all that bad now, is it?” said McGary, who has worked for the Board of Elections since 1978, but said voters have lost all confidence in the integrity of the system.

But Chris Riggall, a spokesman for Diebold, now known as Premier Election Solutions, said Friday, “There has not been a single documented case of a successful attack against an electronic voting system.”

Brunner, a Democrat, said she considered recommending delaying the March 4 2008 presidential primary election by a couple months to fix the system.

New machines were purchased using more than $100 million in federal tax dollars after Congress mandated eliminating punchcard ballots used by 69 of Ohio’s 88 counties in the 2004 election. Half the counties bought new equipment for the 2005 general election, while the rest complied in 2006.

“The implications of this report are serious,” Brunner wrote. “Swift and specific changes are needed to improve the quality of Ohio elections so that Ohio is prepared to successfully execute next year’s presidential election.”

Brunner’s study drew praise from Strickland, Ohio House Speaker Jon Husted, R-Ketttering, and Democratic leaders of the House and Senate.

Strickland, a Democrat, said, “The report raises serious issues that deserve serious review and consideration. Our work now is to take these findings and, working closely with the Secretary of State and the legislative leaders, determine the appropriate direction to ensure the people of Ohio have confidence in their election system.”

But Ohio Republican Party Chairman Bob Bennett, former chairman of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections, said it’s clear that bipartisan board officials are concerned that this study is biased. Bennett was referring to a review by some county board officials who questioned Brunner’s conclusions, calling them “leaps of logic” and “poor reasoning.”

Because the Ohio General Assembly approved the purchase of new equipment, it would likely be up to state legislators to order any replacement. But it was unclear Friday how quickly machines could be replaced and what the ramifications are for the presidential election.

Brunner, who succeeded Blackwell, a Republican from Cincinnati, called the findings startling and said the review revealed “critical security failures” that could affect the integrity of elections in the state.

Some of the tests seeking to hack the voting machines built by Election Systems & Software, Hart Intercivic and Premier (formerly Diebold) required high levels of sophistication from corporate and academic scientists, but others did not, she said.

Reviewers said voting was potentially vulnerable on all three companies’ machines, Premier and Hart machines did not protect properly against “malicious insiders,” ES&S machines did not protect against improper access to election data and Premier machines did not adequately protect voters’ privacy.

The report does not address how likely it is someone would attempt to tamper with the machines, which are operated under the supervision of 88 county Boards of Elections and citizens who volunteer as poll workers.

“The 2000 election in Florida was to the elections business what 9/11 was to the airline industry,” Williams said.

“If you don’t believe that, then look at what we’ve done since 2000 in terms of change, in terms of systems, in terms of controversy, in terms of report after report, after lack of direction, after false start after false start, changing on the dime in midsteam. These are all things that do not certainly contribute to good election process. . . It’s ridiculous.’’

“At this point, we need to stop for awhile and let us digest this and figure out what’s going on.”

The Associated Press contributed to this story.

disrupter
12-15-2007, 02:31 PM
so they finally figured that out,
what genius!

hdmarketing
12-15-2007, 02:38 PM
Here we go again:punchballs:

The voting hasn't even started and here we go screaming how the Republicans are playing dirty.

radioguy
12-15-2007, 03:40 PM
The democrats are just laying the groundwork, in case they lose the November election.

They can only accept an election that goes in their favor. If it doesn't, they have to cry, stomp their feet and scream "They cheated!"

Funny, I don't remember any crying and whining about "flawed voting systems" after the mid-term election when the democrats took over control of both houses... Does anyone else?

I'd be willing to bet anyone here that:

a) If the democrats lose in November, there is no way they will accept the results of the election with class and dignity. They will scream from every rooftop that they were cheated.

b) If the democrats win, the republicans will congratulate them and move on. The right will not cry, they will not act like spoiled children, and they will not claim that the vote was rigged.

What's really funny about this whole ploy by the left, is that the only proven voter fraud there's been the last two elections, was done by democrats. It's also funny how they have no problem with illegal aliens, casting illegal votes for them, in election after election.

Moby
12-15-2007, 04:21 PM
Ignore the issue of accurate elections and then wonder why most of us have a hard time taking you seriously.

Haven't you guys seen any of the reports about how easily these systems can be hacked? They showed videos so even the non-readers could understand it.

I spent over a decade in data security and if you understood the technology you would no that no bank and no other government would use technology that could be so easily compromised.

Trying to make facts into partisan issues is just putting your head in the sand.

Little Red Dog
12-15-2007, 04:26 PM
They've been reporting significant flaws in the system since before 2004.

Must all be part of some giant plot by the liberal media. With the collusion of the manufacturers of the voting machines. Who presumably designed the machines to be flawed so the liberal media could report it and the democrats could whine about inaccurate voting results.

Not that it matters, of course. The results just determine the course of the country for the next 4 years. No big deal.

mwillman
12-15-2007, 04:57 PM
As long as it pays off in thier favor they could care less about the truth.

Its always the same no matter what always make it about the other guys faults.

Electronic voting is easier to fudge then an ice cream sundae but that doesnt matter becuase democrats want to make us look bad. Pathetic.

radioguy
12-15-2007, 07:42 PM
Isn't it funny that all we heard out of you liberals from the 2000 election, till just before the 2006 mid-terms, were stories of voter fraud (which none ended up being true), but in the last year since the democrats won back the house and senate, we haven't heard one stinking peep... until now that is.

Seems to me voter fraud doesn't skip elections, so where in the hell was all your concern after the mid-terms? Where is your concern about the illegals that have been casting fraudulent votes in America for decades?

I'm sorry, but the left has cried wolf too many times this decade with their "disenfranchised voters" bullshit, and their "the voting machines were rigged" crap to take these stories seriously anymore.

mwillman
12-15-2007, 08:14 PM
The problem isnt us crying wolf but you inability to see the wolf.

Moby
12-16-2007, 01:24 AM
Can the voting machines be hacked? Yes.

Do many of the voting machines have wireless connections? Yes.

Why is that a partisan issue?

2006 wasn't an election that effected the White House.

disrupter
12-16-2007, 03:13 AM
Hacking a computer doesn't take a conspiracy, just one guy.
perhaps two, one to get the programmer/hacker past the security/password thresholds & the programmer/hacker.

Diebold CEO, 'I will deliver the 04 election to George Bush'
these are his words [paraphrased] not mine.

You mean the Republicans have EVER done ANYTHING that WASN'T dirty?
please provide credible evidence.

Moby
12-16-2007, 12:07 PM
You mean the Republicans have EVER done ANYTHING that WASN'T dirty?
please provide credible evidence.
Watergate doesn't count. Sure some of the same people that were around the administration then are around this one now but that's different.

I don't know why it's different but it must be some how because people think they're honest now.