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radioguy
12-02-2007, 05:30 AM
Why I Parted Ways With Chávez
By RAÚL ISAÍAS BADUEL
NY Times
Published: December 1, 2007
Caracas, Venezuela


ON Dec. 17, 1982, three of my fellow officers in the Venezuelan Army and I swore our allegiance to the Bolivarian Revolutionary Army 2000. We considered ourselves to be at the birth of a movement that would turn a critical eye on Venezuela’s troubled social and political system — and formulate proposals to improve it. One of the officers with me was Hugo Chávez, the current president of Venezuela, whom I have known since I entered the military academy 35 years ago.

Hugo Chávez and I worked together for many years. I supported him through thick and thin, serving as his defense minister. But now, having recently retired, I find myself with the moral and ethical obligation as a citizen to express my opposition to the changes to the Constitution that President Chávez and the National Assembly have presented for approval by the voters tomorrow.

The proposal, which would abolish presidential term limits and expand presidential powers, is nothing less than an attempt to establish a socialist state in Venezuela. As our Catholic bishops have already made clear, a socialist state is contrary to the beliefs of Simón Bolívar, the South American liberation hero, and it is also contrary to human nature and the Christian view of society, because it grants the state absolute control over the people it governs.

Venezuelan society faces a broad array of problems that have not been addressed in the eight years Mr. Chávez has been in office, even though the present Constitution offers ample room for any decent, honest government to do so. Inflation, threats to personal safety, a scarcity of basic supplies, a housing shortage and dismal education and health care are problems that will not be resolved by approving this so-called reform.

How is it that we, the people of Venezuela, have reached such a bizarre crossroads that we now ask ourselves if it is democratic to establish the indefinite re-election of the president, to declare that we are a socialist nation and to thwart civic participation?

The answer is that all Venezuelans, from every social stratum, are responsible for the institutional decay that we are witnessing. The elite never understood — and still fail to understand — the need to include, in every sense, the millions who have been kept at the margins of the decision-making process because of their poverty. At the same time, President Chávez led the poor to believe that they are finally being included in a governmental model that will reduce poverty and inequality. In reality, the very opposite is true.

In recent years, the country’s traditional political parties have come to see the Venezuelan people as clients who can be bought off.

During the economic boom years, ushered in by a sustained increase in oil prices, the parties dispensed favors, subsidies and alms. In the end, they taught the people about rights rather than obligations, thus establishing the myth that Venezuela is a rich country, and that the sole duty of a good government is to distribute its wealth evenly. President Chávez has been buying and selling against this idea, continuing to practice the kind of neopopulism that will reach its limit only when the country receives what economists call an “external shock.”

Exorbitant public expenditures, the recurrence of government deficits even at times of record-high oil prices, the extreme vulnerability of foreign investments, exceedingly high import tariffs, and our increased domestic consumption of fuel at laughably low prices are all signs of what lurks on the horizon. It now seems that, even without an appreciable dip in global oil prices, our economy may well come to a crashing halt. When it does, it will bring an end to the populism that the government practices and has tried to export to neighboring countries.

Venezuela will thrive only when all its citizens truly have a stake in society. Consolidating more power in the presidency through insidious constitutional reforms will not bring that about. That’s why the Venezuelan people should vote no tomorrow, and prepare to pursue a political culture that will finally be able to steer our beloved nation toward true economic and social progress.

Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/01/opinion/01baduel.html?_r=2&ref=opinion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)

Krome
12-02-2007, 08:10 AM
Atleast he has never murdered people for oil.

I bet you are the type of guy who thinks Bill Clinton lying about a BJ is worse than Bush lying about WMDs.

LadyMod at scam.com
12-02-2007, 08:53 AM
Atleast he has never murdered people for oil.

I bet you are the type of guy who thinks Bill Clinton lying about a BJ is worse than Bush lying about WMDs.

LOL, he does.

And the fool always rags on me for using stories out of the "Liberal Rag" NY Times. So, where did he find this story?

He's the biggest hypocrite on the board.


Lady Mod

radioguy
12-02-2007, 09:06 AM
And the fool always rags on me for using stories out of the "Liberal Rag" NY Times. So, where did he find this story?

He's the biggest hypocrite on the board.


Lady Mod

Two things Lady mod... That wasn't written by a Times columnist, it was written by the guy who used to work with Chavez. And now that the Times is no longer pay-to-view, the headlines are fed to various news pages I frequent.

I guess I can understand why it bothers you that I get my news from a wide variety of venues. It takes away one of the weapons in your arsenal.

LadyMod at scam.com
12-02-2007, 09:17 AM
Two things Lady mod... That wasn't written by a Times columnist, it was written by the guy who used to work with Chavez. And now that the Times is no longer pay-to-view, the headlines are fed to various news pages I frequent.

I guess I can understand why it bothers you that I get my news from a wide variety of venues. It takes away one of the weapons in your arsenal.

New York Times Cupcake. Don't deny it, you used them first.

As far as my arsenal goes, that wasn't one of the weapons. Not until you made it one.


:lmao2:

radioguy
12-02-2007, 09:31 AM
New York Times Cupcake. Don't deny it, you used them first.

As far as my arsenal goes, that wasn't one of the weapons. Not until you made it one.


:lmao2:


I'm not denying a thing. Unlike you, I read stories from a wide variety of sources not just the ones that cater to my particular political beliefs

Don't you remember my post earlier this year on scam, when someone accused me of only posting stories from right wing sources and conservative blogs? I went back and listed the links to every story I posted for the previous month, and out of all 28 stories (I think it was) only two of them came from a conservative blog. The rest were from legitimate media outlets.

LadyMod at scam.com
12-02-2007, 09:41 AM
I'm not denying a thing. Unlike you, I read stories from a wide variety of sources not just the ones that cater to my particular political beliefs

Don't you remember my post earlier this year on scam, when someone accused me of only posting stories from right wing sources and conservative blogs? I went back and listed the links to every story I posted for the previous month, and out of all 28 stories (I think it was) only two of them came from a conservative blog. The rest were from legitimate media outlets.

I do too cupcake. I post from all over the web. I rarely use blogs, that seems to be your first choice in news. LOL. Don't deny that, you've been busted out on it too many times.

Nope, don't remember what you posted earlier this year on scam or here. You simply aren't important enough for me to remember that far back.

The way you lie, you are probably making that up anyway.


Lady Mod

radioguy
12-02-2007, 10:35 AM
Awww... That's too bad. For a while I thought civility was returning to this board, but I guess I was wrong. So...

FUCK OFF BITCH!

Krome
12-02-2007, 10:38 AM
Awww... That's too bad. For a while I thought civility was returning to this board, but I guess I was wrong. So...

FUCK OFF BITCH!

Seriously you need to calm down. Maybe ask Monica Lewinsky to give you head or something. If she would suck off a Liberal then dam she is going to love that conservative man hood of yours!