Which is more important , the Flag or the Constitution?

[Frankg]

As I stated to Jesse Facts-in-the-way on the "Conservative versus Liberal" thread , the constitution is just that , a piece of paper

For one, "We the People " didn't include African-americans, as a matter of fact , Afican Amiericans were considered to be about on the same level with farm animals, an its a fact that all of our founding fathers had slaves

Secondly it was written over 200 hundred years ago and is now being used as a suicide pact by liberals in the war terror , it really needs to be overhauled and if our forefathers were here today you can bet your bottom dollar that they would certainly be supporting George W Bush , President of the United States of America in the war on terror

In my opinion, the one true symbol of our country is our flag , not the constitution and anyone who burns a flag should be arrested

[Islam Rocks!]

As I stated to Jesse Facts-in-the-way on the "Conservative versus Liberal" thread , the constitution is just that , a piece of paper

For one, "We the People " didn't include African-americans, as a matter of fact , Afican Amiericans were considered to be about on the same level with farm animals, an its a fact that all of our founding fathers had slaves

Secondly it was written over 200 hundred years ago and is now being used as a suicide pact by liberals in the war terror , it really needs to be overhauled and if our forefathers were here today you can bet your bottom dollar that they would certainly be supporting George W Bush , President of the United States of America in the war on terror

In my opinion, the one true symbol of our country is our flag , not the constitution and anyone who burns a flag should be arrestedPlease tell me this is a joke thread and that you aren't serious!

[Jesse Hemingway]

As I stated to Jesse Facts-in-the-way on the "Conservative versus Liberal" thread , the constitution is just that , a piece of paper

For one, "We the People " didn't include African-americans, as a matter of fact , Afican Amiericans were considered to be about on the same level with farm animals, an its a fact that all of our founding fathers had slaves

Secondly it was written over 200 hundred years ago and is now being used as a suicide pact by liberals in the war terror , it really needs to be overhauled and if our forefathers were here today you can bet your bottom dollar that they would certainly be supporting George W Bush , President of the United States of America in the war on terror

In my opinion, the one true symbol of our country is our flag , not the constitution and anyone who burns a flag should be arrested

Fang I knew you were foolish this perfectly illustrates just why the flag of the red white and blue represents the reason we are quickly on a severe down ward spiral to a 3 world country.

Again Fang I would like to thank you and your contingent of idiots as the major contributors to the demise of this country.

[Jesse Hemingway]

I forgot Fang don’t let Al Qaeda know just how stupid you and your group of bush ass kissers really are. :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Fang you tricked me I now know who you really are your that dumb ass george w. bush.

White House to Cut Anti-Terror Funds
The Associated Press

Friday 30 November 2007

Homeland Security grants may be cut by more than half, documents show.

Washington - The Bush administration intends to slash counterterrorism funding for police, firefighters and rescue departments across the country by more than half next year, according to budget documents obtained by The Associated Press.

The Homeland Security Department has given $23 billion to states and local communities to fight terrorism since the Sept. 11 attacks, but the administration is not convinced that the money has been well spent and thinks the nation's highest-risk cities have largely satisfied their security needs.

The department wanted to provide $3.2 billion to help states and cities protect against terrorist attacks in 2009, but the White House said it would ask Congress for less than half - $1.4 billion, according to a Nov. 26 document.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/120107Y.shtml

[Betty Blowtorch]

In my opinion, the one true symbol of our country is our flag,
not the constitution and anyone who burns a flag should be
arrested
For a flag fetishist, you seem blissfully unaware of the fact
that, according to the Flag Code, flag-burning is the only
proper method for disposing of an American flag.

Section 8k of the United States Code Title 4 Chapter 1
(the flag code) states:

"The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer
a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a
dignified way, preferably by burning."

The ritualistic burning of worn-out flags is usually performed
by veterans at local VFW chapters. Any other method of
disposal is improper.

You better call the cops, Frankie. You can't allow those
World War II veterans at your local VFW to get away with
burning any more flags.

[paulm]

Frank,
Each president recites the following oath, in accordance with Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

May I also remind you that the Constitution is almost constantly under scrutiny by the Supreme Court (their job). As well you would do well to remember that major changes to the Constitution (Ammendments) happen, but REQUIRE approval of a 2/3 majority of the States.

Regarding the flag...Flag burning is an accepted and protected form of free speech (protest) when done in accordance with laws regulating public assembly.

Which is more important... flag or Constitution? Constitution wins... hands down. The flag is nothing more than a symbol... the Constitution is the nation's soul.

[Islam Rocks!]

Which is more important... flag or Constitution? Constitution wins... hands down. The flag is nothing more than a symbol... the Constitution is the nation's soul.
Excellent answer Paulm!

[LadyMod at scam.com]

As I stated to Jesse Facts-in-the-way on the "Conservative versus Liberal" thread , the constitution is just that , a piece of paper


In my opinion, the one true symbol of our country is our flag , not the constitution and anyone who burns a flag should be arrested


The Constitution ensures our rights and is a symbol so important it's under lock and key at the Smithsonian in Washington D.C.

Flags are a dime a dozen, made in China. It's a piece of cloth. Lose the flag you lose nothing. Lose the Constitution and we go back under the rule of a dictatorship.


Lady Mod

[Moby]

Please tell me this is a joke thread and that you aren't serious!
I think he's serious. He really hates the freedom that our society brings.

Without the ideas of the constitution there would be nothing to protect us from our own government. Some people want to have an almighty ruler such as a king or dictator yet they want to over throw them in other countries.

The flag is a piece of cloth that means nothing without The Constitution.

Stop being so afraid of a little bearded men in caves and grow up.

[Bill]

The constitution.

You'd have to be some kind of a stinking cowardly traitor to think otherwise.

[radioguy]

For one, "We the People " didn't include African-americans, as a matter of fact , Afican Amiericans were considered to be about on the same level with farm animals, an its a fact that all of our founding fathers had slaves

Unfortunately, that's true. There are some things about the beliefs of our founding fathers that are anything but wholesome and honorable.




Secondly it was written over 200 hundred years ago and is now being used as a suicide pact by liberals in the war terror , it really needs to be overhauled and if our forefathers were here today you can bet your bottom dollar that they would certainly be supporting George W Bush , President of the United States of America in the war on terror

Overhauled is a bit strong. I think it needs to be translated into the English language of the 21st century, and it's true meanings defined once and for all.




In my opinion, the one true symbol of our country is our flag , not the constitution and anyone who burns a flag should be arrested

On this point, I have to agree with Paul to the extent that the constitutions importance far exceeds the importance of our flag. We can survive as a nation without a flag, but we cannot survive with out a constitution.

I do however agree with you Frank, that burning the American flag should be a criminal offense. To me, the burning of the American flag is vile, hateful and the single most disrespectful act against America, that any citizen could partake in. My feelings are, if you choose to burn an American flag, you have just chosen to renounce your citizenship and have declared America your enemy.

The flag is the most sacred symbol representing this great nation. It's to be respected, not desecrated.

[Frankg]

I think he's serious. He really hates the freedom that our society brings.

Without the ideas of the constitution there would be nothing to protect us from our own government. Some people want to have an almighty ruler such as a king or dictator yet they want to over throw them in other countries.

The flag is a piece of cloth that means nothing without The Constitution.

Stop being so afraid of a little bearded men in caves and grow up.
Let me clarify, I don't hate freedom , what I do hate is when people and liberal media outlets irresponsibly abuse it to serve thier own politcal agenda

For example , back in June a secret monitoring program ,set up right after 9/11 ,that tracked funding going to various Al-Quaida factions was exposed by the New York Times

Its bad enough that as a result of thier irresponsible journalism we lost one of our main tools to fight terrorism but they actually lied by putting their liberal spin on it to make it sound as though the government was tracking everyone's private accounts which was not the case

I feel that the New York Times should be held accoutable for this blatant abuse of free speech or freedom of the press since they compromized national security

This is just one example of how free speech , when abused, can be a threat to national security

The federal government presently controls the use of firearms and drugs and the reason for this is that there would be many deaths in this country if it they didn't , I fear that free speech , someday, could be potentially be just as dangerous and that we may need to modify the constition to enable the FBI or the NSA to hold people or organizations like the New York Times accountable when they jepordize national security

So if there is another terrorist attack on this country , kiss your constitution goodby

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Let me clarify, I don't hate freedom , what I do hate is when people and liberal media outlets irresponsibly abuse it to serve thier own politcal agenda

For example , back in June a secret monitoring program ,set up right after 9/11 ,that tracked funding going to various Al-Quaida factions was exposed by the New York Times

Its bad enough that as a result of thier irresponsible journalism we lost one of our main tools to fight terrorism but they actually lied by putting their liberal spin on it to make it sound as though the government was tracking everyone's private accounts which was not the case

I feel that the New York Times should be held accoutable for this blatant abuse of free speech or freedom of the press since they compromized national security

If what the government was doing wasn't a violation of American's Constitutional rights there wouldn't have been a story to report. And how can you say they compromized national security. Isn't it you who always claim how Wonder Boy Bush has protected us for the last 7 years? :lmao2:

This is just one example of how free speech , when abused, can be a threat to national security

The federal government presently controls the use of firearms and drugs and the reason for this is that there would be many deaths in this country if it they didn't , I fear that free speech , someday, could be potentially be just as dangerous and that we may need to modify the constition to enable the FBI or the NSA to hold people or organizations like the New York Times accountable when they jepordize national security

So if there is another terrorist attack on this country , kiss your constitution goodby

Look at the flip side of this Cupcake. If the latest legislation goes through it will be considered a criminal act to exercise our freedom of speech against our dear worthless president.

You'll get your wish on two counts.

The government will be able to exercise it's illegal activities without fear of being exposed.

You can kiss the Constitution goodbye. We've now gone backwards to pre-Revolutionary times.

King George will be safe and you'll discover how limiting living is a Communist society can truly be before you die.


Lady Mod

[disrupter]

You're insane Frankg

The constitution.

maybe i should view all your future posts as coming from a nut case.

the flag's a rag with people like you,

only when it symbolizes the meanings, freedoms, liberties & responsibilities of the constitution does it mean anything other than insanity.

people fight for freedom & justice, not for some pretty rag.

[Moby]

I feel that the New York Times should be held accoutable for this blatant abuse of free speech or freedom of the press since they compromized national security
George H Bush made a campaign promise "Read my lips. NO new taxes." when he knew all along that after 8 years of gross mismanagement that he would need to raise taxes.

Dick Cheney said that there was over whelming evidence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. He later denied it but the video recording still exists.

George W. said the democrats are genetically disposed to higher taxes right before an election.

Dubya and Gonzalez stated that democrats thought we shouldn't listen to terrorist phone calls. When asked later neither of them could name one person that has ever made that claim.


Should all of these people be forced to pay for their lies?


If the government was doing illegal searches then they were doing illegal searches. You don't know if they were using that information just to track terrorist or if they were using it for other purposes like the ideas that Nixon had in mind.

Remember, it was Nixon, a Republican, that wanted to use covert technology to over throw democracy in The United States Of America. You're trusting the same party and in some cases the exact same people to not try it again.

We need The Constitution to protect us from the administration.

[disrupter]

That is the thing,
even when they genuinely believe it is for a just cause it ALWAYS turns into a tool for political hatchet jobs & manipulation.

People are degenerative in their behavior, especially given time & opportunity.
Vigilance & oversight must be constant or at least at approximate regular intervals.

People must hold their own government to constitutional accountability.
If we don't do it in our own interests, there is no magic government fairy gonna do it for us.

When the cat's away the mice will play, and often destroy the house in the process.
Join the citizen cat patrols. [teasing]

[mwillman]

Anyone that thinks a flag is more important then the constitution is insane.

The flag is a piece of cloth the constitution defines the powers and limits of power for the government. One pretties up the sky the other defines the very fabric of the society.

There is no comparison the flag is art the Constitution is life.