The Truth About Muhammad

[Smurf-Herder]

The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion

http://www.amazon.com/Truth-About-Muhammad-Intolerant-Religion/dp/1596980281

"From the Inside Flap

Muhammad: a frank look at his influential (and violent) life and teachings

In The Truth about Muhammad, New York Times bestselling author and Islam expert Robert Spencer offers an honest and telling portrait of the founder of Islam-perhaps the first such portrait in half a century-unbounded by fear and political correctness, unflinching, and willing to face the hard facts about Muhammad's life that continue to affect our world today.

From Muhammad's first "revelation" from Allah (which filled him with terror that he was demonpossessed) to his deathbed (from which he called down curses upon Jews and Christians), it's all here-told with extensive documentation from the sources that Muslims themselves consider most reliable about Muhammad.

Spencer details Muhammad's development from a preacher of hellfire and damnation into a political and military leader who expanded his rule by force of arms, promising his warriors luridly physical delights in Paradise if they were killed in his cause. He explains how the Qur'an's teaching on warfare against unbelievers developed-with constant war to establish the hegemony of Islamic law as the last stage.

Spencer also gives the truth about Muhammad's convenient "revelations" justifying his own licentiousness; his joy in the brutal murders of his enemies; and above all, his clear marching orders to his followers to convert non-Muslims to Islam-or force them to live as inferiors under Islamic rule.

In The Truth about Muhammad, you'll learn

- The truth about Muhammad's multiple marriages (including one to a nine-year-old)

- How Muhammad set legal standards that make it virtually impossible to prove rape in Islamic countries

- How Muhammad's example justifies jihad and terrorism

- The real "Satanic verses" incident (not the Salman Rushdie version) that remains a scandal to Muslims

- How Muhammad's faulty knowledge of Judaism and Christianity has influenced Islamic theology--and colored Muslim relations with Jews and Christians to this day."


From what I've heard of the book, the general opinion was that Muhammed was mentally ill and prone to hallucinations.

So it appears Islam was founded by a schizophrenic sociopath.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

From what I've heard of the book, the general opinion was that Muhammed was mentally ill and prone to hallucinations.

So it appears Islam was founded by a schizophrenic sociopath.

LOL, the same has been said about Jesus.


And the founding of the "christian" religion.


:lmao2:

[Smurf-Herder]

LOL, the same has been said about Jesus.


And the founding of the "christian" religion.


:lmao2:

No, not what's said above about Muhammad, personally.

I don't recall Jesus leading armies, taking delight in killing his enemies, or forcing conversions. The founding of the Christian religion had nothing to do with any of that.

And if you're referring to the crusades (which started because of Moslem aggression in the first place), the Moslems are still in their medeaval crusade period.

[Islam Rocks!]

If anyone wants to read about the life of Muhammad written by a "real" Islamic scholar. I highly recomend the book "Muhammad" by Karen Armstrong.
She is a non-Muslim English author who has written several books on the Middle East, Muslims, Jews, and other related topics.

Her book is totally annotated from the origional classical biographys and historys from many scholarly sources. And is written with No political agenda or axe to grind. Just a fair and balanced academic look at a historical figure.

To really understand Islam and the orgins of the Quran. A person must first delve into the life of Muhammad. After reading this book I believe anyone will have a greater understanding of Islam and the part it plays on the worlds stage today.

[Smurf-Herder]

If anyone wants to read about the life of Muhammad written by a "real" Islamic scholar. I highly recomend the book "Muhammad" by Karen Armstrong.
She is a non-Muslim English author who has written several books on the Middle East, Muslims, Jews, and other related topics.

Her book is totally annotated from the origional classical biographys and historys from many scholarly sources. And is written with No political agenda or axe to grind. Just a fair and balanced academic look at a historical figure.

To really understand Islam and the orgins of the Quran. A person must first delve into the life of Muhammad. After reading this book I believe anyone will have a greater understanding of Islam and the part it plays on the worlds stage today.

Sorry, but what Islam is known for today is, rich monarchs oppressing their own people, abusing women and denying basic human rights, mass murder and rioting mobs; and the chant of "Death to ......" virtually anything they can think of.

Just hatred, fear and death. As long as people like you condone cruel and barbaric punishment for the stupidest things.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Sorry, but what Islam is known for today is, rich monarchs oppressing their own people, abusing women and denying basic human rights, mass murder and rioting mobs; and the chant of "Death to ......" virtually anything they can think of.

Just hatred, fear and death. As long as people like you condone cruel and barbaric punishment for the stupidest things.


Translated: He's afraid to learn that all his misconceptions about the true religion are wrong.

How chickenshit can you get?

:rolleyes:

[Islam Rocks!]

Sorry, but what Islam is known for today is, rich monarchs oppressing their own people, abusing women and denying basic human rights, mass murder and rioting mobs; and the chant of "Death to ......" virtually anything they can think of.

Just hatred, fear and death. As long as people like you condone cruel and barbaric punishment for the stupidest things.Actually SH it's idiots like you, and the guy who wrote that bozo book you are promoting, who create and perpetuate all kinds of nonsense and misinformation about Islam and Muslims.

I represent 1.1 billion people, who like how we think and act, and don't need the approval of of some narrow minded rascist bigot like you.

People like you SH make it almost impossible to have a dialoge and intellectual discussion about the issues. You start out from a name calling negative, and then the discussion becomes nothing but a laundry list of accusations and inuendos from you.

[Moby]

So does this mean that Christians are now enlightened and can stop learning?

[Smurf-Herder]

Actually SH it's idiots like you, and the guy who wrote that bozo book you are promoting, who create and perpetuate all kinds of nonsense and misinformation about Islam and Muslims.

I represent 1.1 billion people, who like how we think and act, and don't need the approval of of some narrow minded rascist bigot like you.

People like you SH make it almost impossible to have a dialoge and intellectual discussion about the issues. You start out from a name calling negative, and then the discussion becomes nothing but a laundry list of accusations and inuendos from you.


Yup, you're right.

I need to come to my senses and join the mobs in the streets, rioting over cartoons and teddy bears.

Just look at the news. WTF is wrong with you people?

[Islam Rocks!]

Yup, you're right.

I need to come to my senses and join the mobs in the streets, rioting over cartoons and teddy bears.

Just look at the news. WTF is wrong with you people?Thanks! you just validated everything I said about you...........

[Smurf-Herder]

Thanks! you just validated everything I said about you...........


The nightly news validates me, dipshit.

[Islam Rocks!]

The nightly news validates me, dipshit.Again you prove me right!
When the debate is over your head you resort to name calling.
Thanks! for validating the last part of my post about you SH
I was exactly on target!
Cool!!

[Smurf-Herder]

Again you prove me right!
When the debate is over your head you resort to name calling.
Thanks! for validating the last part of my post about you SH
I was exactly on target!
Cool!!

That's just a copout to avoid dealing with what everybody sees every night on the news, concerning moslem intolerance to virtually everything; and your barbaric sharia law.

[Islam Rocks!]

That's just a copout to avoid dealing with what everybody sees every night on the news, concerning moslem intolerance to virtually everything; and your barbaric sharia law.Sure I believe Fox News. Dosen't everyone?

Of course 1.1 billion people are totally wrong and you are right SH

[Smurf-Herder]

Sure I believe Fox News. Dosen't everyone?

Of course 1.1 billion people are totally wrong and you are right SH

So, you're saying the people who advocate rioting over a cartoon, killing a teacher over a teddy bear and giving 200 lashes to a rape victim are right?

BTW, I'm not talking about all 1.1 billion. Just the barbaric psychos who advocate intolerance and violence.

[Cat slave]

Religions is frequently just a crutch for people who cannot think for themselves.
It gives them fellowship and structure and direction.

Can a billion + be wrong? You betcha!

[Smurf-Herder]

Religions is frequently just a crutch for people who cannot think for themselves.
It gives them fellowship and structure and direction.

Can a billion + be wrong? You betcha!

The new "Master Race" mentality, by way of a medeaval prophet advocating intolerance and brutality.

[Cat slave]

You would have thought after all those years down in the well that there
would be ample time to think things over and learn a better way.

Guess not!

[Smurf-Herder]

You would have thought after all those years down in the well that there
would be ample time to think things over and learn a better way.

Guess not!

A religious view of life based on intolerance and hatred is a hard obsession to shake.

[Islam Rocks!]

A religious view of life based on intolerance and hatred is a hard obsession to shake.You are right SH

So many Christians are caught up in this vicious cycle.

[Smurf-Herder]

You are right SH

So many Christians are caught up in this vicious cycle.

Of killing teachers, flogging rape victims and rioting over cartoons?

The issue is violence and brutality, codified into law and permeating a culture.

[Islam Rocks!]

The issue is violence and brutality, permeating a culture.I couldn't agree more SH

America has an extremely violent culture!

Guns and gangs roam the streets everywhere..
Domestic violence is rampant.
Over 2 million criminals flood our jails.
Rapes average almost one per minute.
And we are continually involved in a war somewhere in the world.

[Smurf-Herder]

I couldn't agree more SH

America has an extremely violent culture!

Guns and gangs roam the streets everywhere..
Domestic violence is rampant.
Over 2 million criminals flood our jails.
Rapes average almost one per minute.
And we are continually involved in a war somewhere in the world.

All you're doing is deflecting the issue.

We're talking about this being done in an organized religion; which directly controls the laws.

You're either in a serious state of denial, or a strong supporter of barbaric values.

[Islam Rocks!]

All you're doing is deflecting the issue.

We're talking about this being done in an organized religion; which directly controls the laws.

You're either in a serious state of denial, or a strong supporter of barbaric values.I am Not denying anything nor do I support barbaric values.

I just see a culture that has it's own laws and social norms that works for them.

If you are in any country you have to obey the laws. It dosen't matter what your personal opinion of the laws are.

Break the law of that country and you are a criminal. Period.

[Smurf-Herder]

I am Not denying anything nor do I support barbaric values.

I just see a culture that has it's own laws and social norms that works for them.

If you are in any country you have to obey the laws. It dosen't matter what your personal opinion of the laws are.

Break the law of that country and you are a criminal. Period.

My whole point is, Sharia Law goes against basic human values. In fact I heard on the news half the moslems responding to the teacher story don't agree with the actions against her.

I'm sure you converted to Islam because of the good there is in it. But the negative aspects and authoritarian leaders have taken over. It would be similar to the US basing all it's laws on the Old Testament; ignoring the peace and love in the New. Only in Islam, it's unquestionable obedience to the teachings of one man - who came up with concepts like having 70 virgins if you die killing your enemy.

[Little Red Dog]

I am Not denying anything nor do I support barbaric values.

I just see a culture that has it's own laws and social norms that works for them.

I would suggest to you that employing Islam's values in this way "works" for no one. Especially not for Muslims.

Most of the countries in the world now agree on some basic level on what constitutes humanitarian conduct and human rights. We can argue about whether or not certain countries actually follow through on their alleged philosophy, but that's another argument.

The fact is, in the eyes of most of the rest of the world - and in the eyes of many local and foreign Muslims - the punishment in this case is excessive.

When your actions stray so far from the norm as to be reprehensible, you can neither expect to be understood nor respected. You will be reviled. How does that "work" for this, or any other culture?

If you are in any country you have to obey the laws. It dosen't matter what your personal opinion of the laws are.

Break the law of that country and you are a criminal. Period.

Agreed. But to say that death is an appropriate sentence for naming a toy... really. How can anyone realistically say that is an appropriate punishment for breaking a law that no one has been able to prove she knew she was breaking?

It's not like she let the kids name the teddy Mohammed the $%#@.

This is like a Muslim making a right turn on red in a Western city where it's not allowed, and receiving the death penalty for it. I understand that people were offended. So chastise her, and deport her. Done.

This is not a defensible position, IR. And it most certainly does not help Islam or Muslims. And I say that as someone sympathetic to Islam in general.

[Independent Harry]

I say Islam sucks, Christianity sucks, Catholiscism sucks, the only ones we never hear about causing trouble are Buddhists, we should all be fucking bhuddhists...no room for radicalism in that religion anywhere, most radical you can get is renouncing all your possesions and becoming a wandering monk...

[Cat slave]

Well put LRD!:thumbsup: Too well covered to follow with anything!

[Little Red Dog]

Well put LRD!:thumbsup: Too well covered to follow with anything!

Careful CS! I'm also sympathetic to some amnesty for SOME illegal immigrants... and you may find yourself liking me yet!! :disbelief: :kiss:

[Cat slave]

I am Not denying anything nor do I support barbaric values.

I just see a culture that has it's own laws and social norms that works for them.

If you are in any country you have to obey the laws. It dosen't matter what your personal opinion of the laws are.

Break the law of that country and you are a criminal. Period.

Works for them?? Ask their victims how well it works for them!

[Cat slave]

Careful CS! I'm also sympathetic to some amnesty for SOME illegal immigrants... and you may find yourself liking me yet!! :disbelief: :kiss:

Oh well, we cant agree on everything now can we.:) Thats what makes
things interesting. Have a good weekend....I gotta get going.

[Islam Rocks!]

[QUOTE]So chastise her, and deport her. Done. QUOTE]
I agree she should have just been deported. End of story.

[Islam Rocks!]

My whole point is, Sharia Law goes against basic human values. In fact I heard on the news half the moslems responding to the teacher story don't agree with the actions against her.

I'm sure you converted to Islam because of the good there is in it. But the negative aspects and authoritarian leaders have taken over. It would be similar to the US basing all it's laws on the Old Testament; ignoring the peace and love in the New. Only in Islam, it's unquestionable obedience to the teachings of one man - who came up with concepts like having 70 virgins if you die killing your enemy.

My whole point is, Sharia Law goes against basic human values.[/QUOTE] It goes against Western values.For the rest of the world Islamic values are accepted and embraced.In fact I heard on the news half the moslems responding to the teacher story don't agree with the actions against her.That is true. Muslims have diverse opinions just like people in any culture.
I'm sure you converted to Ialam because of the good there is in it.I converted "before" 9/11 when Islam was just a vague religion in the minds of most people. But the negative aspects and authoritarian leaders have taken over.That's because Muslims everywhere feel that they are under attack and are listening to hardline clerics for answers as to how to save their culture and religion. It would be similar to the US basing all it's laws on the Old Testament; ignoring the peace and love in the New. The Quran is like a mixture of the Old and New Testament. Muslims the world over are happy with the Laws and Teachings contained in this book and that's not going to change.Only in Islam, it's unquestionable obedience to the teachings of one man Just like Christians are to follow the teachings of one man, Jesus. Muslims are to follow the teachings of Muhammad.- who came up with concepts like having 70 virgins if you die killing your enemy.Actually it's 72 virgins. But hey, who's counting. More than enouigh for me. In reality the 72 virgins is just a metaphor for the pleasures of paridise after a persons death, and isn't to be take literally. But Western media grabbed ahold of it and the rest is history. [/QUOTE]

[Bill]

So it appears Islam was founded by a schizophrenic sociopath.

By modern standards, yes.

Biographies of the fellow make for grim reading.

[Cat slave]

My whole point is, Sharia Law goes against basic human values. It goes against Western values.For the rest of the world Islamic values are accepted and embraced.That is true. Muslims have diverse opinions just like people in any culture.
I converted "before" 9/11 when Islam was just a vague religion in the minds of most people. .That's because Muslims everywhere feel that they are under attack and are listening to hardline clerics for answers as to how to save their culture and religion. The Quran is like a mixture of the Old and New Testament. Muslims the world over are happy with the Laws and Teachings contained in this book and that's not going to change.Just like Christians are to follow the teachings of one man, Jesus. Muslims are to follow the teachings of Muhammad.Actually it's 72 virgins. But hey, who's counting. More than enouigh for me. In reality the 72 virgins is just a metaphor for the pleasures of paridise after a persons death, and isn't to be take literally. But Western media grabbed ahold of it and the rest is history. [/QUOTE][/QUOTE]


And what pray tell is the "reward" for devout Muslim women? What metaphor
do they have to look forward to?

[Islam Rocks!]

And what pray tell is the "reward" for devout Muslim women? What metaphor
do they have to look forward to?The reward for good Muslim men and women is exactly the same. Paradise in Islam is basically the same as in Christianity.
You will have rich rewards and all of your needs will be meet for you in luxury and comfort. There will be No pain and suffering as you reside in the abode of God.

[Little Red Dog]

Somebody(s) finally come to their senses and done what they should have done when this started.

"KHARTOUM, Sudan — A British teacher jailed for insulting Islam after allowing her students to name a teddy bear Muhammad was released Monday when Sudan's president pardoned her, a British Embassy spokesman said...

In a written statement given to President Omar al-Bashir and read by a British mediator, Gibbons said she did not intend to offend anyone and had great respect for Islam....

Muslim scholars generally agree that intent is a key factor in determining if someone has violated Islamic rules against insulting the prophet...."

link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20071203/sudan-british-teacher/

[UserName]

Muslim scholars generally agree that intent is a key factor in determining if someone has violated Islamic rules against insulting the prophet...."


You mean like this irreverent assclown?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58996

[Little Red Dog]

Idiots come in all stripes.

[anubis]

I couldn't agree more SH

America has an extremely violent culture!

Guns and gangs roam the streets everywhere..
Domestic violence is rampant.
Over 2 million criminals flood our jails.
Rapes average almost one per minute.
And we are continually involved in a war somewhere in the world.

right - and your criminal murdering terrorist are ever more devsising every way they can to create here what exists where they come from. It is very simple and easy to brutualize and murder and destroy, rahter then rising to the challenge of buidling a better world. That is why your murdering butchering criminals use aircraft and explosives and destroy buildings
and disrupt societies that they cannot build or care to participate in making. Nothing more than unevloved, uncivilized apes. It will be a long time before they become otherwise. Ripe and fertile ground for religious fanactical leaders to manipulate them and incite them to perpatrate harm and suffering on innocent people.