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LadyMod at scam.com
11-24-2007, 10:42 PM
I doubt he'll make much impact. Diplomacy is not exactly one of his strengths and the world already lost any respect they might have once had for him.

Mideast Conference Holds Risks for Bush (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hvaORscMOoTMBBkH6nllmPO6hElAD8T48F200)
By TOM RAUM – 7 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush, who has avoided playing much of a role in the Middle East peace process, is now gambling that the time is right for progress in the troubled region. But the risks are high, and the odds for success seem long.

The planned three-day conference in Annapolis, Md., and Washington this week comes with just 14 months left in Bush's term and his legacy tarnished by the war in Iraq.

Pushing for an Israeli-Palestinian peace has preoccupied more than one U.S. president. President Clinton made it a top agenda item in the closing days of his presidency. But with the notable exception of President Carter, whose Camp David sessions in 1978 led to a peace treaty the following year between Israel and Egypt, presidential Mideast peacemaking has fizzled.

The U.S.-sponsored peace conference — first proposed by Bush last July — is designed to build momentum toward the resumption of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, suspended for the past seven years. The idea is to eventually establish a Palestinian state. Bush called on moderate Arab states to take an active part in promoting negotiations that could lead to "a final peace in the Middle East."

"The president will say that the Annapolis conference will signal broad international support for the leaders' courageous efforts, which will help provide for meaningful progress toward a just and lasting negotiated settlement to this conflict, and ultimately a comprehensive peace in the Middle East," White House press secretary Dana Perino said Saturday.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice insists the sessions will be "serious and substantive." Standing next to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in the West Bank this month, Rice said, "We frankly have better things to do than invite people to Annapolis for a photo op."

But chances for any breakthrough pointing toward that "final peace" seem slight. The two sides are far apart on many issues, and the Palestinians themselves are divided. The coastal Gaza Strip is under rule of militant Islamic Hamas and the West Bank is controlled by the moderate Abbas.

"For both Bush and Rice, it's a bit of a long shot. And there is a bit of image-making there, especially since the president promised in May 2003 that he was going to give this the same attention he was giving Iraq," said David Mack, who was deputy assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern affairs in the first Bush administration.

"But there is also some serious substance here: a conjunction of desire by both Abbas and (Israeli Prime Minister Ehud) Olmert to show some progress," said Mack, the vice president of the Middle East Institute, a nonpartisan think tank.

It might seem that Bush and Rice have little to lose in forging ahead with the conference, given the president's low approval ratings and the unpopularity of the war in Iraq.

Still, pressure has been building on the White House to produce real achievements — or see the conference idea backfire.

The stakes for the session increased Friday when Saudi Arabia and other Arab states agreed to attend the conference. Egypt, Jordan and the Palestinians had already accepted the U.S. invitations.

Saudi Arabia is the most powerful Sunni Arab state that has not made peace with Israel and is a longtime U.S. ally. King Abdullah also is the author of a dormant peace plan that the Bush administration has partly embraced.

Syria, whose government is at odds with the United States, was also on the U.S. invitation list to Arab and Muslim countries — although it had not accepted. Iran was not invited.

Failure to achieve concrete results would have "devastating consequences in the region and beyond," a bipartisan group of foreign policy luminaries said. They include former White House national security advisers Zbigniew Brzezinski and Brent Scowcroft, former House International Relations Committee chairman Lee Hamilton and former diplomats Thomas Pickering and Carla Hills.

"The outcome of the conference must be substantive, inclusive and relevant to the daily lives of Israelis and Palestinians," they wrote Bush and Rice last month.

Shibley Telhami, a Mideast scholar at the University of Maryland, agreed. "It would be a disaster if we fail. People know that, if this initiative is aimed to bolster the Arab moderates, and they fail after raising expectations so high, then Hamas wins without lifting a finger."

Dennis Ross, a former U.S. peace envoy and assistant secretary of state during the terms of the first President Bush and Clinton, has urged Rice to change her goals and focus on finding a formula that will help Abbas persuade his people that he is capable of achieving Palestinian national aspirations, while Hamas is offering only failure.

Some Mideast analysts have questioned the amount of effort Bush will personally expend on trying to get long-suspended Israeli-Palestinian peace talks back on track. "If you listen to the administration in terms of what their priorities are in the Middle East — aside from Iraq — you would gather that the confrontation with Iran and worries about Iran's nuclear capability are the most important priority," said Telhami.

Jon Alterman, director of the Middle East program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said at this point the conference is clearly Rice's production. "It's her show. Bush is not the person convening it, not the person working the phones and twisting the arms."

He doesn't expect much to come from the conference. "It doesn't feel like the stars are aligned for this," Alterman said.

Even Rice has said that more important than the conference is what follows.

The inability of U.S. presidents other than Carter to successfully broker peace deals says more about the Middle East than it does about the presidents, said Leo Ribuffo, a presidential historian at George Washington University.

"Under the best of circumstances, it's very, very difficult. And Bush has been a lot less involved than Clinton and Carter. For Carter, it was an absolute central concern, and one he considered his major accomplishment," said Ribuffo. "Even so, it cost him a lot of political support."

Still, Princeton political scientist Fred Greenstein said, Bush "is down so low, there's hardly any reason for him to be cautious. It would be nice for him to be able to point to one genuine foreign policy success — to harpoon the great white whale."

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EDITOR'S NOTE — Tom Raum has covered national and international affairs for The Associated Press since 1973.

Bill
11-25-2007, 12:56 AM
Well, it's better than no mideast diplomacy at all.

Maybe the countries involved can make some use of it, despite the fact that the bush admin is lame duck and not respected.

moonman
11-25-2007, 02:03 AM
Have you seen the movie, "My Blue Heaven" starring Steve Martin as a likeable bent nose boy who finds himself in the federal witness protection program? Near the climax, Martin who thus far narrated the story through his character, employed a very creative narration device. Rather than speak the words, "I amaze everybody" it was done by skywriting.

Frankly, as the Bush Administration winds down, the President's situationn reminds of the Martin character in the movie. Real life though is no movie.

Observors far more aware than I, have written that the key to MidEast Peace is the Palistinian question. Bush is only negotiating with half of Palistine. I don't see Lebanon participating either and of course Hamas and its sponsor, Iran, is also absent.

The best it would seem Bush can hope for is peace with half of Palistine. Is that even viable? Is Palistine viable economically, unless as a province of either Israel or Jordan?

Given half a peace is generally better than none, one quick look at the map indicates this Bush peace would establish a new iron curtain, stretching across the Golan Heights (given back to Syria) Hamas held Palistine and Iran.

This peace will cost us Lebanon and maybe Pakistan. It would also leave our troops in Afghanistan absolutely surrounded by enemies for 1,000 miles in every direction.

Stick to the photo-op Condi, this peace is a recipe for disaster.

radioguy
11-25-2007, 02:38 AM
What's the difference anyway moonman? It's not like the Palestinians really want peace... As their actions in the past have displayed, and their actions in Annapolis will prove, all they care about is killing the Jews.

You and the terrorists want Israel to give Golan Heights, a strategic area where the Palestinians could rain rockets down on Israel, back to them... When those animals continue to shell civilian neighborhoods as we speak? How idiotic would anyone have to be to even consider such a foolish proposition?

Bill
11-25-2007, 02:46 AM
There you have it - no peace in the middle east.

Bush's conference is doomed to failure.

Too bad.

radioguy
11-25-2007, 02:54 AM
There you have it - no peace in the middle east.

Bush's conference is doomed to failure.

Too bad.

Sorry to mess up a perfectly good "Rag Bush" thread with my off topic nonsense.

Bill
11-25-2007, 03:07 AM
Whats nonsense about it? You said the palestinians aren't going to stop fighting, which is obvious.

But who knows, maybe the other countries will say something interesting in this otherwise relatively perfunctory meeting.

In this case, the whole "last minute" thing could prove to be an advantage, maybe it won't be quite as scripted as these things usually are.

moonman
11-25-2007, 03:07 AM
What's the difference anyway moonman? It's not like the Palestinians really want peace... As their actions in the past have displayed, and their actions in Annapolis will prove, all they care about is killing the Jews.

You and the terrorists want Israel to give Golan Heights, a strategic area where the Palestinians could rain rockets down on Israel, back to them... When those animals continue to shell civilian neighborhoods as we speak? How idiotic would anyone have to be to even consider such a foolish proposition?

Actually radioguy, no I would not give the Golan Heights, but Condi sent Syria a message through the media such that, "If they aren't willing to discuss Golan they needn't show up." Olmert has stated publicly some willingness to give the Golan Heights back to Syria.

So dufous, if Golan is on the table, it means we're giving it back. Your final question is, "How idiotic would anyone have to be to even consider such a foolish propostion?" I dunno, you tell me, you voted for him.

disrupter
11-25-2007, 02:48 PM
With Bush involved, nothing is better than nothing.

The risk for Bush is just HOW badly he will be vilified in history.
Should he slink off quietly to make no more mistakes, or is it so bad it couldn't get any worse? trust me, it could get worse. Cheney has plans.

The ship "Bush's Historical Good" already undocked & promptly sunk in the harbor.
Now it is just a hazard for others to avoid.

LadyMod at scam.com
11-25-2007, 08:21 PM
With Bush involved, nothing is better than nothing.

The risk for Bush is just HOW badly he will be vilified in history.
Should he slink off quietly to make no more mistakes, or is it so bad it couldn't get any worse? trust me, it could get worse. Cheney has plans.

The ship "Bush's Historical Good" already undocked & promptly sunk in the harbor.
Now it is just a hazard for others to avoid.

I don't think he can just "slink off" and hope no one notices. He's got so many things Fibarred right now that he's not able to just ignore any of it.


Lady Mod