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Keyser Soze
11-19-2011, 09:02 PM
If they censor the web will we be able to get around it? Does anyone know?

I found this on DU..


Which would essentially put most of the art on YouTube, etc. (and DU's breaking news videos) out of business and delete millions of fan created videos, political videos, and art and blacklist (impose a federal government filter) the sites they are hosted on, preventing anyone within the Continental US from accessing those sites.

But some ponies on DU just won't listen!...

http://techland.time.com/2011/11/17/sopa-wont-stop-online-piracy-would-censor-everyone-else/?iid=tl-article-mostpop1


There’s a disturbing bill making the rounds on Capitol Hill right now called the Stop Online Piracy Act, or SOPA. It’s purportedly designed to thwart music and movie piracy by empowering copyright holders to isolate and shut down websites or online services found with infringing content. SOPA is the House version of the bill, introduced by Representative Lamar Smith (R-Tex.), and there’s another in the Senate called the Protect IP Act, introduced by Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.). Hearings on SOPA began Wednesday, and the chances it’ll pass are excellent, because it’s backed by powerful business lobbies and has bipartisan majority support in both the House and Senate. If it does pass, the only thing that could shut it down would be a veto by President Obama.

In short, SOPA, if passed, would allow the U.S. government to blacklist any website found to have infringing material, inhibiting access to said sites using DNS filtering techniques similar to those employed by China and Iran. What’s “infringing material”? Anything deemed in violation of copyright, say a few posts by users in a web forum or on a social network—even links sent in email. What’s more, a website or Internet communication medium’s owners would be held liable for any infringing content, and the government would be empowered to cut off revenue to those sites’ owners and force search engines to block them, too.

What’s more, Yahoo in October exited the business trade group that supports the bill, and according to the Washington Post, Google and the Consumer Electronics Association are threatening to do so as well.

MORE: Verisign Seeks Authority to Shut Down Websites Without Court Orders (http://techland.time.com/2011/10/12/verisign-seeks-authority-to-shut-down-websites-without-court-orders/)


What Time doesn't mention in its article on the subject is that this bill would allow the federal government to censor sites containing ordinary user content -- i.e. "fair use" -- a concept some DUers appear to be unfamiliar with, if previous threads on the subject are any indication.

I.e. the federal government and site owners would be empowered to censor or demand payment from users for submitting videos of themselves singing a cover song, posting a clip or screencap or art based on a derivative work -- 99% of fan created art on the web.

It would also introduce what TIME (the most conservative of the major newsweeklies) calls "China and Iran" style Internet filtering nationwide -- the sort of thing DUers pressured Google to leave China over.

Yet when I posted a thread on this last week (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2284667), I was accused of overstatement and claims the bill was dead, and/or had nothing to do with Protect IP]. Nonsense! PROTECT IP Act is the SENATE version. SOPA is the HOUSE version. People saying they didn't see how the two were related, or how it would affect anyone, your argument was invalid!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2346109

nondual
11-20-2011, 12:08 PM
If they censor the web will we be able to get around it? Does anyone know?

I found this on DU..


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2346109
Goodbye Pirate Bay. :(

Keyser Soze
11-20-2011, 12:57 PM
I'm not familiar with Pirate Bay...

nondual
11-20-2011, 01:50 PM
I'm not familiar with Pirate Bay...
http://thepiratebay.org/browse/201

But don't forget to turn on your Peerblock before you go there. :)

http://www.peerblock.com/releases

Keyser Soze
11-20-2011, 01:57 PM
Thanks...I'll check this out later.

hd79
11-20-2011, 01:59 PM
There's always the Tor sites as well, but I suppose they will eventually find a way to block or track them. There will also be the proxy's out of country, but if something like this comes to pass, it will be increasingly difficult to gain access to those as well, but there will always be the underground spread by word of mouth sites, the greatest example are the Tor sites right now.

Keyser Soze
11-20-2011, 02:01 PM
There's always the Tor sites as well, but I suppose they will eventually find a way to block or track them. There will also be the proxy's out of country, but if something like this comes to pass, it will be increasingly difficult to gain access to those as well, but there will always be the underground spread by word of mouth sites, the greatest example are the Tor sites right now.
OK...again...I'm not familiar...any links? Thanks.

No, I'm not agent Mike...lol

hd79
11-20-2011, 02:56 PM
OK...again...I'm not familiar...any links? Thanks.

No, I'm not agent Mike...lol

the one that has probably gained the most notoriety is Silk Road. This link is from NPR, but I believe 60 minutes may have done a report on Silk Road as well:
http://www.npr.org/2011/06/12/137138008/silk-road-not-your-fathers-amazon-com

As for the Tor project, you may learn about that here:

https://www.torproject.org/

https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en

Keyser Soze
11-20-2011, 02:57 PM
Thank You...much appreciated.

Keyser Soze
11-20-2011, 11:32 PM
Do you use Tor? I've heard about bitcoins and this kind of underground thing but never accessed it. That's why I'm wondering if you use it. I've read about this kind of thing...it's a bit like science fiction to me....real time.

This is the kind of thing they're really after isn't it...they want to see everything so they'll protect that ability.

Anyway, Thanks for the links.

Bill Cosby
11-21-2011, 01:52 AM
What is the obama admin's position on this??

http://www.artifolio.com/uploads/p/popart/35023/Artwork-Barack-Obama-Superman.jpg

Keyser Soze
11-21-2011, 10:08 AM
He's hard law and order....just as his justice department.

hd79
11-21-2011, 11:48 AM
I would concur. I am not certain he has stated his position, but his silence on the issue is acquiescence enough for me to conclude he would not differ from what the homeland security or justice dept opinion's are.

Then again, if the SOPA Bill does pass through the General assembly of the House, he has not yet stated that he would either sign or veto it.

nondual
11-22-2011, 08:33 AM
AlterNet / By Arturo Garcia (http://www.alternet.org/authors/12979/)

Voices of the Occupations: 5 New Media Sources Fighting Against Censorship and For OWS (http://www.alternet.org/story/153156/voices_of_the_occupations%3A_5_new_media_sources_f ighting_against_censorship_and_for_ows)

As Congress debates new laws that could dramatically impact independent media, we look at 5 invaluable sources beating the mainstream media at covering Occupy.

November 21, 2011 |
"The intent of this participation is to provide independent, reliable, accurate, wide-ranging and relevant information that a democracy requires." --Chris Willis and Shayne Bowman, We Media: How Audiences Are Shaping The Future Of News and Information (http://www.hypergene.net/wemedia/weblog.php) (2003)

Given the scenes in the video below, is it any wonder the Protect IP Act (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s968/show) was brought to Congress this week?

More here (http://www.alternet.org/story/153156/voices_of_the_occupations%3A_5_new_media_sources_f ighting_against_censorship_and_for_ows).

Keyser Soze
11-22-2011, 08:10 PM
Thanks Nondual...it's obvious they want to control our ability to access each other and get factual information.