The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters

[radioguy]

The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters
By Andrew Walden

Excerpt

When some in a crowd of anti-war activists meeting at Democrat National Committee HQ in June, 2005 suggested Israel was behind the 9-11 attacks, DNC Chair Howard Dean was quick to get behind the microphones and denounce them saying: "such statements are nothing but vile, anti-Semitic rhetoric."

When KKK leader David Duke switched parties to run for Louisiana governor as a Republican in 1991, then-President George H W Bush responded sharply, saying, "When someone asserts the Holocaust never took place, then I don't believe that person ever deserves one iota of public trust. When someone has so recently endorsed Nazism, it is inconceivable that someone can reasonably aspire to a leadership role in a free society."

Ron Paul is different.

Rep Ron Paul (R-TX) is the only Republican candidate to demand immediate withdrawal from Iraq and blame US policy for creating Islamic terrorism. He has risen from obscurity and is beginning to raise millions of dollars in campaign contributions. Paul has no traction in the polls -- 7% of the vote in New Hampshire -- but he at one point had more cash on hand than John McCain. And now he is planning a $1.1 million New Hampshire media blitz just in time for the primary.

Ron Paul set an internet campaigning record raising more than $4 million in small on-line donations in one day, on November 5, 2007. But there are many questions about Paul's apparent unwillingness to reject extremist groups' public participation in his campaign and financial support of his November 5 "patriot money-bomb plot."

On October 26 nationally syndicated radio talk show host Michael Medved posted an "Open Letter to Rep. Ron Paul" on TownHall.com. It reads:

Dear Congressman Paul:

Your Presidential campaign has drawn the enthusiastic support of an imposing collection of Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, Holocaust Deniers, 9/11 "Truthers" and other paranoid and discredited conspiracists.

Do you welcome- or repudiate - the support of such factions?

More specifically, your columns have been featured for several years in the American Free Press -a publication of the nation's leading Holocaust Denier and anti-Semitic agitator, Willis Carto. His book club even recommends works that glorify the Nazi SS, and glowingly describe the "comforts and amenities" provided for inmates of Auschwitz.

Have your columns appeared in the American Free Press with your knowledge and approval?

As a Presidential candidate, will you now disassociate yourself, clearly and publicly, from the poisonous propaganda promoted in such publications?

As a guest on my syndicated radio show, you answered my questions directly and fearlessly.
Will you now answer these pressing questions, and eliminate all associations between your campaign and some of the most loathsome fringe groups in American society?

Along with my listeners (and many of your own supporters), I eagerly await your response.

Respectfully, Michael Medved

Medved has received no official response from the Paul campaign.

SNIP

Racist ties exposed in the Times article go far beyond a single donation. Just below links to information about the "BOK KKK Ohio State Meeting", and the "BOK KKK Pennsylvania State Meeting", Stormfront.org website announced: "Ron Paul for President" and "Countdown to the 5th of November". The links take readers directly to a Ron Paul fundraising site from which they can click into the official Ron Paul 2008 donation page on the official campaign site. Like many white supremacists, Stormfront has ties to white prison gangs.

Finally on October 30 Paul's campaign came back with a non-response. In a phone interview with the Lone Star Times, Ron Paul national communications director Jesse Benton was non-committal about removing the donations link from Stormfront.org. After a week of internet controversy, the best Benton could come up with is:

"We hadn't thought of these options but I'll bring up these ideas with the campaign director. Blocking the IP address sounds like a simple and practical step that could be taken. I doubt there is anything we can do legally. Tracking donations that came from Stormfront's site sounds more complicated. I'm concerned about setting a precedent for the campaign having to screen and vet everyone who makes a donation. It is important to keep in mind is (sic) that we didn't solicit this support, and we aren't interested in spending al of our time and resources focused on this issue. We want to focus on Dr. Paul's positive agenda for freedom."
Perhaps frustrated by the weasel words, Lone Star Times asked Benton: "Bottom line- Will the Ron Paul campaign be rejecting the $500 contribution made by neo-Nazi Don Black?"

Benton's response:

"At this time, I cannot say that we will be rejecting Mr. Black's contribution, but I will bring the matter to the attention of our campaign director again, and expect some sort of decision to be made in coming days."

On October 11 Stormfront Radio endorsed Ron Paul for President saying:

"Whatever organization you belong to, remember first and foremost that you're a white nationalist, then put aside your differences with one another and work together. Work together to strive to get someone in the Oval Office who agrees with much of what we want for our future. Look at the man, look at the issues, look at our future. Vote for Ron Paul, 2008."

As of November 11--the Ron Paul donation link is still up and active on Stormfront. No IP address has been blocked. Stormfront's would-be stormtroopers are still encouraged to contribute to Paul's campaign.

The white supremacists do more than raise funds. Blogger Adam Holland reports:

"one of Rep. Paul's top internet organizers in Tennessee is a neo-Nazi leader named Will Williams (aka ‘White Will'). Williams was the southern coordinator for William Pierce's National Alliance Party, the largest neo-Nazi party in the U.S."

Pierce is author of the racist "Turner Diaries". When the Lone Star Times exposed the $500 Don Black donation, Williams responded on the national Ron Paul meetup site,

"Must Dr. Paul capitulate to our Jewish masters' demands?"

SNIP

On the white-supremacist Vanguard News Network, Williams links to Paul's "grassroots" fundraising site and organizes other racists to "game You Tube" to advance a specific Ron Paul video to the top of You Tube's rankings. Writes Williams, "Everybody here can do this, except bjb w/his niggerberry." Holland points out, "BJB" stands for "burn Jew burn". BJB's internet signature is, "Nothing says lovin' like a Jew in the oven."

Williams is not Paul's only supremacist supporter. "Former" KKK leader (and convicted fraudster) David Duke's website http://www.whitecivilrights.com/, calls Ron Paul "our king" and cheers while "Ron Paul Hits a Home Run on Jay Leno Show." Duke also includes a "Ron Paul campaign update" and plugs Ron Paul fundraising efforts. These articles are posted right next to articles such as "Ten reasons why the Holocaust is a fraud" and "Germans Still Remember their Historical Greatness"-featuring a map of Hitler's Third Reich at its 1942 military height, just in case anybody doesn't get the point. Apparently "Dr. Paul's positive agenda for freedom" is attractive to those who ape the world's worst tyrants and genocidaires.

There are others. In a You Tube video circulating the internet, Ron Paul is endorsed by Hutton Gibson, a leading Holocaust denier and father of controversial actor and director Mel Gibson.

SNIP

The ugly mishmash of hate groups backing Paul has a Sheehan connection as well. David Duke is a big Cindy Sheehan supporter eagerly proclaiming "Cindy Sheehan is right" after Sheehan said, "My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel." Stormfront.org members joined Sheehan at her protest campout in Crawford, TX and posed with her for photos. Sheehan is also intimately associated with the Lew Rockwell libertarian website which has posted over 200 articles by Ron Paul as well as some "scholarly" 9-11 conspiracy theories.

The white supremacist American Nationalist Union also backed Sheehan's Crawford protests and endorsed David Duke for president of the United States in 1988. Now they are backing Ron Paul-linking to numerous Pro-Paul articles posted on LewRockwell.com.

Medved's questions surprise many, but they shouldn't. Paul's links the anti-Semites and white supremacists continue a trend which has been developing since the 9-11 attacks. Barely six weeks after 9-11, Paul was already busy blaming America. On October 27, 2001 Paul wrote on LewRockwell.com, "Some sincere Americans have suggested that our modern interventionist policy set the stage for the attacks of 9-11". Paul complained: "often the ones who suggest how our policies may have played a role in evoking the attacks are demonized as unpatriotic." He says the US is "bombing Afghanistan" and is upset nobody is interested in his solution:

"It is certainly disappointing that our congressional leaders and administration have not considered using letters of marque and reprisal as an additional tool to root out those who participated in the 9-11 attacks."

Paul is quick to blame the victim when the issue is Islamist violence. But when it comes to ordinary criminal violence, Paul once blamed "95% of black males." During Paul's 1996 Congressional campaign a Houston Chronicle article raised questions about a 1992 Ron Paul newsletter article. Under Ron Paul's name was written: "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.' Paul added: "I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city (Washington, D.C.) are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

SNIP

In spite of official silence from the Paul Campaign, hordes of Paul supporters lit up the comments section of Michael Medved's open letter on TownHall.com. In a phenomenon familiar to any blogger who posts information negative to Paul, the 500-plus comments include several which indicate that Medved has got Paul's supporters dead to rights:

* "Your own Zionism is slipping, Medved! Why should anyone disassociate from 9/11 Truthers?"
* "I suggest you take off the tin-foil yamika (sic), your brain is fried."
* "You will do anything to smear this good man to try and safeguard US policy in Israel."
* "Hey Medved. Tell your AIPAC handlers to be nervous. You are failing miserably."
* "It's patently obvious why you don't support Dr. Paul: He's not hand-picked by AIPAC and the Likud Party."

Over at Liberty Post, a self-described "Christian Zionist" identifying himself as ‘David Ben-Ariel' adds this response:

"If discredited and paranoid Michael Medved is so concerned about it, let him actually follow his Judaism to the Jewish Homeland of Israel and take the treacherous ACLU and its liberal ilk, and every other self-hating, defeatist, godless group and loathsome organization with him. What's he got to lose, especially if he fails to believe the Israeli oligarchy is under German-Jesuit control and guilty of murdering Yitzhak Rabin? ... I'm voting for Ron Paul."

SNIP

Paul supporters complain endlessly that the "mainstream media" is censoring or ignoring their candidate. They should be careful what they ask for. If Paul wants to be taken seriously, he must stop cowering behind the internet and face these questions. Until then it is only reasonable to presume that Paul is happy to wallow in well-financed obscurity accepting the support of some of the worst enemies of freedom and liberty within American society.

Full Story (http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaign_and_its.html)

What I posted here is only about half of that article... There is so much more in the full story.

Now who were the ones here that support Ron Paul again??

[bairdi]

I am not a Ron Paul supporter, though I would love to see him win the Republican nomination. I think it would be interesting to find out what other politicians these neo nazi and white supremacist groups supported in the past. The real problem I have with this article is its attempt to somehow tie these far right fringe groups in with the liberal left. They are polar opposites and though Paul has some positions that are supported by the left I think that this article really walks the borderline as to being another piece of neocon propaganda.

Like the avatar grim? It's my tribute to you. You are the only one who has ever thrown 3 F bombs at me in one day. I display it as a badge of honor. :)

[moonman]

No politician should be held responsible for the views of those who support his or her candidacy. It's a ludicrous suggestion.

In real radio with real Arb ratings and full ASCAP participation, I always rated highest among women and minorities. I never and nobody else could ever figure it out. As a result I got both underserving credit and blame.

Doe's it mean Ron Paul is a racist? No, it means neonazis and white supremecists believe they can promote their agenda under his banner. So when did they ever get anything right?

[Independent Harry]

The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters
By Andrew Walden

Excerpt

When some in a crowd of anti-war activists meeting at Democrat National Committee HQ in June, 2005 suggested Israel was behind the 9-11 attacks, DNC Chair Howard Dean was quick to get behind the microphones and denounce them saying: "such statements are nothing but vile, anti-Semitic rhetoric."

When KKK leader David Duke switched parties to run for Louisiana governor as a Republican in 1991, then-President George H W Bush responded sharply, saying, "When someone asserts the Holocaust never took place, then I don't believe that person ever deserves one iota of public trust. When someone has so recently endorsed Nazism, it is inconceivable that someone can reasonably aspire to a leadership role in a free society."

Ron Paul is different.

Rep Ron Paul (R-TX) is the only Republican candidate to demand immediate withdrawal from Iraq and blame US policy for creating Islamic terrorism. He has risen from obscurity and is beginning to raise millions of dollars in campaign contributions. Paul has no traction in the polls -- 7% of the vote in New Hampshire -- but he at one point had more cash on hand than John McCain. And now he is planning a $1.1 million New Hampshire media blitz just in time for the primary.

Ron Paul set an internet campaigning record raising more than $4 million in small on-line donations in one day, on November 5, 2007. But there are many questions about Paul's apparent unwillingness to reject extremist groups' public participation in his campaign and financial support of his November 5 "patriot money-bomb plot."

On October 26 nationally syndicated radio talk show host Michael Medved posted an "Open Letter to Rep. Ron Paul" on TownHall.com. It reads:

Dear Congressman Paul:

Your Presidential campaign has drawn the enthusiastic support of an imposing collection of Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, Holocaust Deniers, 9/11 "Truthers" and other paranoid and discredited conspiracists.

Do you welcome- or repudiate - the support of such factions?

More specifically, your columns have been featured for several years in the American Free Press -a publication of the nation's leading Holocaust Denier and anti-Semitic agitator, Willis Carto. His book club even recommends works that glorify the Nazi SS, and glowingly describe the "comforts and amenities" provided for inmates of Auschwitz.

Have your columns appeared in the American Free Press with your knowledge and approval?

As a Presidential candidate, will you now disassociate yourself, clearly and publicly, from the poisonous propaganda promoted in such publications?

As a guest on my syndicated radio show, you answered my questions directly and fearlessly.
Will you now answer these pressing questions, and eliminate all associations between your campaign and some of the most loathsome fringe groups in American society?

Along with my listeners (and many of your own supporters), I eagerly await your response.

Respectfully, Michael Medved

Medved has received no official response from the Paul campaign.

SNIP

Racist ties exposed in the Times article go far beyond a single donation. Just below links to information about the "BOK KKK Ohio State Meeting", and the "BOK KKK Pennsylvania State Meeting", Stormfront.org website announced: "Ron Paul for President" and "Countdown to the 5th of November". The links take readers directly to a Ron Paul fundraising site from which they can click into the official Ron Paul 2008 donation page on the official campaign site. Like many white supremacists, Stormfront has ties to white prison gangs.

Finally on October 30 Paul's campaign came back with a non-response. In a phone interview with the Lone Star Times, Ron Paul national communications director Jesse Benton was non-committal about removing the donations link from Stormfront.org. After a week of internet controversy, the best Benton could come up with is:

"We hadn't thought of these options but I'll bring up these ideas with the campaign director. Blocking the IP address sounds like a simple and practical step that could be taken. I doubt there is anything we can do legally. Tracking donations that came from Stormfront's site sounds more complicated. I'm concerned about setting a precedent for the campaign having to screen and vet everyone who makes a donation. It is important to keep in mind is (sic) that we didn't solicit this support, and we aren't interested in spending al of our time and resources focused on this issue. We want to focus on Dr. Paul's positive agenda for freedom."
Perhaps frustrated by the weasel words, Lone Star Times asked Benton: "Bottom line- Will the Ron Paul campaign be rejecting the $500 contribution made by neo-Nazi Don Black?"

Benton's response:

"At this time, I cannot say that we will be rejecting Mr. Black's contribution, but I will bring the matter to the attention of our campaign director again, and expect some sort of decision to be made in coming days."

On October 11 Stormfront Radio endorsed Ron Paul for President saying:

"Whatever organization you belong to, remember first and foremost that you're a white nationalist, then put aside your differences with one another and work together. Work together to strive to get someone in the Oval Office who agrees with much of what we want for our future. Look at the man, look at the issues, look at our future. Vote for Ron Paul, 2008."

As of November 11--the Ron Paul donation link is still up and active on Stormfront. No IP address has been blocked. Stormfront's would-be stormtroopers are still encouraged to contribute to Paul's campaign.

The white supremacists do more than raise funds. Blogger Adam Holland reports:

"one of Rep. Paul's top internet organizers in Tennessee is a neo-Nazi leader named Will Williams (aka ‘White Will'). Williams was the southern coordinator for William Pierce's National Alliance Party, the largest neo-Nazi party in the U.S."

Pierce is author of the racist "Turner Diaries". When the Lone Star Times exposed the $500 Don Black donation, Williams responded on the national Ron Paul meetup site,

"Must Dr. Paul capitulate to our Jewish masters' demands?"

SNIP

On the white-supremacist Vanguard News Network, Williams links to Paul's "grassroots" fundraising site and organizes other racists to "game You Tube" to advance a specific Ron Paul video to the top of You Tube's rankings. Writes Williams, "Everybody here can do this, except bjb w/his niggerberry." Holland points out, "BJB" stands for "burn Jew burn". BJB's internet signature is, "Nothing says lovin' like a Jew in the oven."

Williams is not Paul's only supremacist supporter. "Former" KKK leader (and convicted fraudster) David Duke's website http://www.whitecivilrights.com/, calls Ron Paul "our king" and cheers while "Ron Paul Hits a Home Run on Jay Leno Show." Duke also includes a "Ron Paul campaign update" and plugs Ron Paul fundraising efforts. These articles are posted right next to articles such as "Ten reasons why the Holocaust is a fraud" and "Germans Still Remember their Historical Greatness"-featuring a map of Hitler's Third Reich at its 1942 military height, just in case anybody doesn't get the point. Apparently "Dr. Paul's positive agenda for freedom" is attractive to those who ape the world's worst tyrants and genocidaires.

There are others. In a You Tube video circulating the internet, Ron Paul is endorsed by Hutton Gibson, a leading Holocaust denier and father of controversial actor and director Mel Gibson.

SNIP

The ugly mishmash of hate groups backing Paul has a Sheehan connection as well. David Duke is a big Cindy Sheehan supporter eagerly proclaiming "Cindy Sheehan is right" after Sheehan said, "My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel." Stormfront.org members joined Sheehan at her protest campout in Crawford, TX and posed with her for photos. Sheehan is also intimately associated with the Lew Rockwell libertarian website which has posted over 200 articles by Ron Paul as well as some "scholarly" 9-11 conspiracy theories.

The white supremacist American Nationalist Union also backed Sheehan's Crawford protests and endorsed David Duke for president of the United States in 1988. Now they are backing Ron Paul-linking to numerous Pro-Paul articles posted on LewRockwell.com.

Medved's questions surprise many, but they shouldn't. Paul's links the anti-Semites and white supremacists continue a trend which has been developing since the 9-11 attacks. Barely six weeks after 9-11, Paul was already busy blaming America. On October 27, 2001 Paul wrote on LewRockwell.com, "Some sincere Americans have suggested that our modern interventionist policy set the stage for the attacks of 9-11". Paul complained: "often the ones who suggest how our policies may have played a role in evoking the attacks are demonized as unpatriotic." He says the US is "bombing Afghanistan" and is upset nobody is interested in his solution:

"It is certainly disappointing that our congressional leaders and administration have not considered using letters of marque and reprisal as an additional tool to root out those who participated in the 9-11 attacks."

Paul is quick to blame the victim when the issue is Islamist violence. But when it comes to ordinary criminal violence, Paul once blamed "95% of black males." During Paul's 1996 Congressional campaign a Houston Chronicle article raised questions about a 1992 Ron Paul newsletter article. Under Ron Paul's name was written: "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.' Paul added: "I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city (Washington, D.C.) are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

SNIP

In spite of official silence from the Paul Campaign, hordes of Paul supporters lit up the comments section of Michael Medved's open letter on TownHall.com. In a phenomenon familiar to any blogger who posts information negative to Paul, the 500-plus comments include several which indicate that Medved has got Paul's supporters dead to rights:

* "Your own Zionism is slipping, Medved! Why should anyone disassociate from 9/11 Truthers?"
* "I suggest you take off the tin-foil yamika (sic), your brain is fried."
* "You will do anything to smear this good man to try and safeguard US policy in Israel."
* "Hey Medved. Tell your AIPAC handlers to be nervous. You are failing miserably."
* "It's patently obvious why you don't support Dr. Paul: He's not hand-picked by AIPAC and the Likud Party."

Over at Liberty Post, a self-described "Christian Zionist" identifying himself as ‘David Ben-Ariel' adds this response:

"If discredited and paranoid Michael Medved is so concerned about it, let him actually follow his Judaism to the Jewish Homeland of Israel and take the treacherous ACLU and its liberal ilk, and every other self-hating, defeatist, godless group and loathsome organization with him. What's he got to lose, especially if he fails to believe the Israeli oligarchy is under German-Jesuit control and guilty of murdering Yitzhak Rabin? ... I'm voting for Ron Paul."

SNIP

Paul supporters complain endlessly that the "mainstream media" is censoring or ignoring their candidate. They should be careful what they ask for. If Paul wants to be taken seriously, he must stop cowering behind the internet and face these questions. Until then it is only reasonable to presume that Paul is happy to wallow in well-financed obscurity accepting the support of some of the worst enemies of freedom and liberty within American society.

Full Story (http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaign_and_its.html)

What I posted here is only about half of that article... There is so much more in the full story.

Now who were the ones here that support Ron Paul again??

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Grim, its amazing how you find a way to trash the one true conservative republican, that holds the values conservative republicans have traditionally held. The more I watch you post, the smaller I think your brain actually is.

[Cat slave]

I agree with that, mm.

[Cat slave]

Gladl to see you back RG. And lets the games begin! The tired old ones that is.:hi:

[disrupter]

Here are some of Bush's White Supremacist ties.
http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2006/1848
Additionally in 2000 all voting White Supremacists voted for Bush.
http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=23946

Look how far it got the War Criminal GWB.

Good for Goosie George Good for Ron Paul.

a vote is a vote,

unless of course you are talking a Bush election where votes are just window dressings for cheat software that steals the election for you.

[Moby]

Didn't all the Nazis vote for George H and George W? I mean I really can't imagine them voting for Nader :)

[LadyMod at scam.com]

I think Muffin prefers McCain to Ron Paul.

It's the only reason he would post such a silly thread.


Lady Mod

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Additionally in 2000 all voting White Supremacists voted for Bush.
http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=23946

Look how far it got the War Criminal GWB.

Good for Goosie George Good for Ron Paul.

a vote is a vote,

unless of course you are talking a Bush election where votes are just window dressings for cheat software that steals the election for you.


LOL: Exerpts from the link:


It is chilling that the largest rally Bush has been able to stage was pulled off in the heart of NeoNazi territory in Butler County, Ohio. Ohio lead the Midwest in the number of white-supremacist groups, according to a 2001 study. More recently, the Southern Poverty Law Center reports that Ohio is now home to 28 racist groups, including a new branch of the KKK and assorted NeoNazi "skinhead" groups. Butler County, in particular is associated with recent white supremacist history. Bush's rally was held in a stark, post-industrial-park site called "Voice of America Park" in West Chester, Butler County Ohio, just 25 miles from Hamilton, where for a time, the notorious, violent Aryan Nations had their national "clubhouse." There, before a crowd estimated at 20,000-40,000, Bush adopted a highly militaristic tone. In the background, loud speakers blared the song "Mighty Wings" from the movie "Top Gun". At Hitler rallies in Nazi Germany, loudspeakers blared "Flight of the Valkyres" and other "inspirational" militaristic themes.

..........................................

In any case, it is disturbing indeed that Bush's team felt certain they would be able raise the largest number of rally attendees in his entire campaign here in hate group country. Even OH GOP Chairman Robert Bennett admitted that there are few areas he could imagine that would be more uniformly "conservative" than the area chosen by Bush.

..................................................

[The event has] drawn the vocal support of the white supremacist Don Black, founder of the Florida-based Stormfront. Black [also] the founder of the Internet's first "hate" site is claiming he'll help lead the rally. Black has been using his site to promote the event to the world from his home in downtown West Palm Beach, two miles from the voting action this week at the Emergency Operations Center. Black, a former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, will be there with his 11-year-old son, Derek (the webmaster of Stormfront for Kids.) Both father and son are featured in the HBO documentary Hate.com, airing this week. "

One white supremacist group called the Skinheadz reported that in 2000, all of its members who actually did vote, voted for Bush. In fact, the fastest growing type of hate group in the US, collectively known as "Racist Skinheads," are young white males. Like the Skinheadz, If they vote, they will vote for Bush.

Finally, in 2000, an article in "Southern Exposure" magazine revealed the depth of Bush's ties to Neo-Confederate groups, many of whom embrace blatantly white supremacist ideologies. http://www.commondreams.org/news2000/0218-04.htm


Grim, your boy Bush isn't as pure as virgin snow. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.



Lady Mod

[Jesse Hemingway]

Your right AM/FM why would you want just a Neo-Nazi when you support the real thing.:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Bush-Nazi Link Confirmed
Documents in National Archives Prove
George W. Bush's Grandfather Traded
with Nazis - Even After Pearl Harbor
By John Buchanan
Exclusive to The New Hampshire Gazette
10-10-3

WASHINGTON -- After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush and his "enemy national" partners.

The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury, tried to conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s, personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion of democratic principle and German law.

Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush and his associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather, continued their dealings with the German industrial tycoon for nearly a year after the U.S. entered the war.

No Story?

For six decades these historical facts have gone unreported by the mainstream U.S. media. The essential facts have appeared on the Internet and in relatively obscure books, but were dismissed by the media and Bush family as undocumented diatribes. This story has also escaped the attention of "official" Bush biographers, Presidential historians and publishers of U.S. history books covering World War II and its aftermath.

The White House did not respond to phone calls seeking comment.

The Summer of '42

The unraveling of the web of Bush-Harriman-Thyssen U.S. enterprises, all of which operated out of the same suite of offices at 39 Broadway in New York under the supervision of Prescott Bush, began with a story that ran simultaneously in the New York Herald-Tribune and Washington Post on July 31, 1941. By then, the U.S. had been at war with Germany for nearly eight months.

http://www.rense.com/general42/bshnazi.htm

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Prescott+Bush+Nazi+UBC+1942%22&btnG=Google+Search

[radioguy]

Doe's it mean Ron Paul is a racist? No, it means neonazis and white supremecists believe they can promote their agenda under his banner. So when did they ever get anything right?

From a 1996 Houston Cronicle Article:

Paul, writing in his independent political newsletter in 1992, reported about unspecified surveys of blacks.

""Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action," Paul wrote.

Paul continued that politically sensible blacks are outnumbered ""as decent people." Citing reports that 85 percent of all black men in the District of Columbia are arrested, Paul wrote:

""Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal," Paul said.

Paul's response to the LA riots in 1992:

Perhaps the most scandalous aspect of the Los Angeles riots was the response by the mayors, the media, and the Washington politicians. They all came together as one to excuse the violence and to tell white America that it is guilty, although the guilt can be assuaged by handing over more cash. It would be reactionary, racist, and fascist, said the media, to have less welfare or tougher law enforcement. America's number one need is an unlimited white checking account for underclass blacks.

moonman, are you suggesting that the fact that White Supremest leaders, KKK leaders, leading Anti-Semites, the top White Supremest websites, the top Neo-Nazi websites, and the top Anti-Supremest websites on the net, all supporting Ron Paul for president is a coincidence?

The real problem I have with this article is its attempt to somehow tie these far right fringe groups in with the liberal left. They are polar opposites and though Paul has some positions that are supported by the left I think that this article really walks the borderline as to being another piece of neocon propaganda.

Well, take a look at the websites of the groups that are mentioned in this article. Most seem to be as anti-Bush as they come. Why do you think that dchristie (aka Centurion) so often posted articles from these websites?

[Jesse Hemingway]

Welcome back radioguy:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Now lets mix it up

[UserName]

I asked this same question about a week ago, rg. He has an ad on Stormfront.org and when asked if he approved of it, he never replied. White supremacists support Ron Paul because (from stormfront) Ron Paul is the strongest opponent of "Hate Crime" Laws and Ron Paul is the least likely to support government crackdowns on Pro-White organizations, and the most likely to veto any legislation to that effect.
Every White Supremecist organization in America supports Ron Paul and the Republicans because of their hatred for anything and anyone who is not white. I don't believe this is the direction we need America to go.
It looks like this "fear and hate" campaign led by the right since 2001 is finally starting to pay off for them.

[disrupter]

Doesn't this simply amount to

Even a neo-nazi is smarter than radioguy?

dumb, dumber & incomprehensible.

[Kinky Jones]

welcome back RG... now let's not forget, that Bill O'rielly is also a racist (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1147)

* During a segment (2/9/00) about black athletes suing over the minimum academic standards for college admission, O'Reilly commented: "Look, you know as well as I do most of these kids come out and they can't speak English."

* Criticizing Democratic politicians who met with Rev. Al Sharpton, which O'Reilly compared to meeting with white supremacist David Duke: "Why would it be different? Both use race to promote themselves." (3/16/00) O'Reilly also equated the Black Panthers with Duke (1/11/99): "You were promoting your people, black people, and he's promoting white people. So what's the
difference?" man is he so smart for not understanding the difference :(

* "We have black leaders in this country who blame everything on whitey, everything's the system's fault, and that gives a built-in excuse to fail and act irresponsible. 'Oh, I can't get a job. Whitey won't let me,' or 'I can't get educated. The teachers are bad, so I'm going to go out and get high and sell drugs. That's the only way we can make money here.' You know what I mean? And it's a vicious cycle" (6/8/99).

http://www.newshounds.us/2005/10/05/bill_oreillys_very_telling_freudian_slip.php Bill don't think blacks are American citizens either I guess :(


for anybody that wants to know what Ron Paul thinks about racism try reading this (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/racism/)

O'rielly and Ron Paul have similar thoughts on racism nowadays actually, but everybody runs with the hard negative angle for political gain

[moonman]

radioguy, what I posted is that Ron Paul is not responsible for the views of those who support him. In your original post YOU raised the issue that because racists support Ron Paul that those posting here in support of Ron Paul are racists.

I understand you thought you were being clever. But you and clever is oxymoronic and about as subtle as a fart in church.

In your answer to me, you purport at best 4th hand hearsay as direct evidence Ron Paul himself is a racist. No sale junior, my standards are a tad higher than 4th hand hearsay.

[Independent Harry]

From a 1996 Houston Cronicle Article:

Paul, writing in his independent political newsletter in 1992, reported about unspecified surveys of blacks.

""Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action," Paul wrote.

Paul continued that politically sensible blacks are outnumbered ""as decent people." Citing reports that 85 percent of all black men in the District of Columbia are arrested, Paul wrote:

""Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal," Paul said.

Paul's response to the LA riots in 1992:

Perhaps the most scandalous aspect of the Los Angeles riots was the response by the mayors, the media, and the Washington politicians. They all came together as one to excuse the violence and to tell white America that it is guilty, although the guilt can be assuaged by handing over more cash. It would be reactionary, racist, and fascist, said the media, to have less welfare or tougher law enforcement. America's number one need is an unlimited white checking account for underclass blacks.

moonman, are you suggesting that the fact that White Supremest leaders, KKK leaders, leading Anti-Semites, the top White Supremest websites, the top Neo-Nazi websites, and the top Anti-Supremest websites on the net, all supporting Ron Paul for president is a coincidence?



Well, take a look at the websites of the groups that are mentioned in this article. Most seem to be as anti-Bush as they come. Why do you think that dchristie (aka Centurion) so often posted articles from these websites?

Lol, you're like a record stuck on the same tune forever. I hope you're not married, because it would probably be like the 7th level of hell to live with your wacky ass.

[radioguy]

radioguy, what I posted is that Ron Paul is not responsible for the views of those who support him. In your original post YOU raised the issue that because racists support Ron Paul that those posting here in support of Ron Paul are racists.

No sir, I wasn't implying any such thing. I'm sorry you got that impression.

[radioguy]

Lol, you're like a record stuck on the same tune forever. I hope you're not married, because it would probably be like the 7th level of hell to live with your wacky ass.

I wish I didn't have to make the same points more than once, but I have little choice when people choose to engage in selective reading.

[Independent Harry]

No sir, I wasn't implying any such thing. I'm sorry you got that impression.

LOL, so youre saying that you werent implying Ron Paul is a racist by extension becaues of some people who support him? If you support that extension, then its very a easy leap to the people that support him are racist too. You can't have one without the other. If I support a known racist, it is automatically assumed I am a racist as well. Up your doses grim, the amount of lithium you are taking now isn't working.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

I wish I didn't have to make the same points more than once, but I have little choice when people choose to engage in selective reading.

Is that anything like your "selective" paragraphs that you posted?


Lady Mod

[Independent Harry]

I wish I didn't have to make the same points more than once, but I have little choice when people choose to engage in selective reading.

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Get your wacky ass out of here. Seriously, I understand you were trying to make an intelligent response to that, but yeah, you failed.

Please explain to me where you got selective reading from that post?

[radioguy]

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Get your wacky ass out of here. Seriously, I understand you were trying to make an intelligent response to that, but yeah, you failed.

Please explain to me where you got selective reading from that post?

I'm sorry Harry, that the facts about the man you campaign for aren't to your liking. I didn't post this article to make you or anyone else here look like racists. I posted it so people here that support him understand what it is they are supporting.

The man has made racial comments in public as well as in newsletters (as has been pointed out to you by others), and is supported by Neo-Nazis, White Supremest, Anti-Semites and 9/11 conspiracy kooks. Common sense should tell anyone that this man should not only never be elected president, but should never hold elected office of any kind in America.

I notice that you didn't attack Ian or UserName when they pointed these things out to you, but felt it necessary to attack me. I'm guessing it must have something to do with your "Independent" side.

[kres24GT]

The hatred for people like Paul by Republicans show how liberal the party have become. They favor big government just like the Democrats now. Yet another example of how there is no real difference between the two. Both want big government and want to crush freedom at all cost.

[Independent Harry]

I'm sorry Harry, that the facts about the man you campaign for aren't to your liking. I didn't post this article to make you or anyone else here look like racists. I posted it so people here that support him understand what it is they are supporting.

The man has made racial comments in public as well as in newsletters (as has been pointed out to you by others), and is supported by Neo-Nazis, White Supremest, Anti-Semites and 9/11 conspiracy kooks. Common sense should tell anyone that this man should not only never be elected president, but should never hold elected office of any kind in America.

I notice that you didn't attack Ian or UserName when they pointed these things out to you, but felt it necessary to attack me. I'm guessing it must have something to do with your "Independent" side.

You insist on cotinuing to slander someone because of an extremely small portion of his support base, simply because he agrees that AIPAC is not good for the country, nor is the blind support of Israel, or any country for that matter. What you have failed to do is show that he is a racist at all. We already addressed the newsletter which was not even written by him, in another thread. It can be shown that Bush had white supremacist support when he was elected into office, yet you support him completely...are you therefore a racist, and should he not be held to the same standards you are talking about right now? Should not even have an elected office. That's the problem though grim, you will never hold the current adminstration to the same standards as you would hold others. Beause then it would shatter the delusion that this current president is good for this country...

[radioguy]

The hatred for people like Paul by Republicans show how liberal the party have become. They favor big government just like the Democrats now. Yet another example of how there is no real difference between the two. Both want big government and want to crush freedom at all cost.

If Ron Paul was a legitimate "Republican" he would have more support from republican voters than he does.

Latest Opinion Dynamics poll - 3%
Latest Gallup Poll - 5%
Latest USA Today poll - 1%
Latest Rasmussen poll - 5%
Latest Newsweek poll - 2%
Latest ABC/Wash Post poll - 3%


I don't know one republican that supports Ron Paul, but I do know quite a few people suffering from BDS that do.

[kres24GT]

If Ron Paul was a legitimate "Republican" he would have more support from republican voters than he does.

Latest Opinion Dynamics poll - 3%
Latest Gallup Poll - 5%
Latest USA Today poll - 1%
Latest Rasmussen poll - 5%
Latest Newsweek poll - 2%
Latest ABC/Wash Post poll - 3%


I don't know one republican that supports Ron Paul, but I do know quite a few people suffering from BDS that do.


I don't have BDS, in fact I get accused of being a Bush apologist simply because I don't have BDS. Not a Bush fan though.

Anyway you missed the point of my post. The fact and the rest of your party buddies do not like Paul shows that the GOP has moved far toward the left and big government.

[Independent Harry]

If Ron Paul was a legitimate "Republican" he would have more support from republican voters than he does.

Latest Opinion Dynamics poll - 3%
Latest Gallup Poll - 5%
Latest USA Today poll - 1%
Latest Rasmussen poll - 5%
Latest Newsweek poll - 2%
Latest ABC/Wash Post poll - 3%


I don't know one republican that supports Ron Paul, but I do know quite a few people suffering from BDS that do.

Hey grim, I bet you Ron Paul wins at least 4 primaries. With the type of support that is going on.

But regardless of that, please explain to me what a traditional conservative is. I would like to hear your side of the story.

[Jesse Hemingway]

Hey grim, I bet you Ron Paul wins at least 4 primaries. With the type of support that is going on.

But regardless of that, please explain to me what a traditional conservative is. I would like to hear your side of the story.

These bush boot lickers have NO clue what a conservative is they think if the have an R behind their name that makes them a conservative. The real conservative can stand these bush boot lickers either.

[Moby]

Common sense should tell anyone that this man should not only never be elected president, but should never hold elected office of any kind in America.
Intersting statement. The same statement was made about Bush with FAR more supportable evidence. If you voted for a man with such strong ties to the middle east and that ran 3 companies into the ground then you have no business discussing common sense when it comes to voting or people that should hold elected office.

We're seeing the economic policies of how he ran those companies into the ground now run the USA into the ground and you never touch on that tissue at all.

It's selective reading of facts.

[moonman]

What's incredible and why this thread is so silly is that rg endorses a strict constructionist application of the Constitution. The strictist constructionist in the Republican Party is Ron Paul.

Any Republican who doesn't support Ron Paul is admitting support for judicial activism and abandonning the principle strict contructionism.

Of course rg denied he's calling Ron Paul a racist after posting evidence suggesting Ron Paul is a racist which also confirms my inclination that Republicans as represented by rg are either I.Q. challenged brain dead pod people or liars.

At the end of the day, rg's attack and accusation that Ron Paul is a racist is merely one more example of how truly desparate the Republicans have become.

[radioguy]

What's incredible and why this thread is so silly is that rg endorses a strict constructionist application of the Constitution. The strictist constructionist in the Republican Party is Ron Paul.

Any Republican who doesn't support Ron Paul is admitting support for judicial activism and abandonning the principle strict contructionism.

None of the Republican candidates supports judicial activism. Supporting judicial activism is a liberal thing, not a conservative one.


Of course rg denied he's calling Ron Paul a racist after posting evidence suggesting Ron Paul is a racist which also confirms my inclination that Republicans as represented by rg are either I.Q. challenged brain dead pod people or liars.

I would ask that you either post the quote where I said such a thing, or retract that statement and apologize for the unwarranted personal attacks.

The following was the accusation of yours I denied:

radioguy, what I posted is that Ron Paul is not responsible for the views of those who support him. In your original post YOU raised the issue that because racists support Ron Paul that those posting here in support of Ron Paul are racists.


No sir, I wasn't implying any such thing. I'm sorry you got that impression.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

I would ask that you either post the quote where I said such a thing, or retract that statement and apologize for the unwarranted personal attacks.



Well now, I'm curious. If you twist our words or overlook something we say and we cry that YOU retract a statement and apologize for your personal attacks, are you going to?


I kind of would like that one on the record now so I can remind you later when you start calling me "unwarranted personal attack" names when I piss you off. Cuz we all know eventually I'll say something you don't like and then you'll go balistic again.



Lady Mod

[moonman]

Dear Ladymod,

In the interest of clarity, I wasn't pissed off at all when I posted, "Republicans as represented by rg are either I.Q. challenged brain dead pod people or liars" It was not an emotional response. I was neither pissed or delighted.

It's the same as asking someone between the age of 50-60 if they've ever taken a controlled substance for non-medical use. If the response is "no" it's either a lie or an admission to being a geek.

In the instant matter, rg posts a series of stories tying Ron Paul to racisim and denies he's suggesting Paul is a racist. Gimme a break, eh. Find an impartial jury of 12 I.Q. normal range people of non-partisan political persuasion who wouldn't agree that rg isn't dumber than dirt or is flat out lying.

Your friend,
moon.

[radioguy]

In the instant matter, rg posts a series of stories tying Ron Paul to racisim and denies he's suggesting Paul is a racist. Gimme a break, eh. Find an impartial jury of 12 I.Q. normal range people of non-partisan political persuasion who wouldn't agree that rg isn't dumber than dirt or is flat out lying.

Your friend,
moon.

You are a liar sir!

I did in fact suggest Ron Paul was a racist, and have never denied doing so.

Again, I ask that you either point out where I denied I was doing so, or retract your statement.

Seeing as you failed to do either when I first pointed this error out to you, and instead chose to continue your dishonesty and personal attacks, I expect such honesty is beyond your capabilities.


Well now, I'm curious. If you twist our words or overlook something we say and we cry that YOU retract a statement and apologize for your personal attacks, are you going to?

If I launch a personal attack on you, and it is based on misquoting or misreading your posted words, I guarantee you I will apologize and retract my words. I'm not so shallow, nor my ideology so weak, that I would resort to using lies to make a political point or as an excuse to launch personal attacks on my adversaries.

Though I feel you will never admit it, that's the way I always was on the scam board.

[moonman]

Oh for fuck sakes you total and complete nitwit. go read your own post #12.

If you are man enuf to walk your own talk, I'll accept your apology because I'm generous to the medically challenged.

[radioguy]

Oh for fuck sakes you total and complete nitwit. go read your own post #12.

If you are man enuf to walk your own talk, I'll accept your apology because I'm generous to the medically challenged.


Again sir, could you please point out which sentence or statement it was where I denied that I was calling Ron Paul a racist?

I read Post #12, and I can find no such statement.

So I would ask for a third time, that you do the right thing and either post the quote where I denied I was calling Ron Paul a racist, or retract those statements and apologize for the unwarranted personal attacks.

[moonman]

Upon further review, it is true that I am mistaken. rg did not deny on this thread that Ron Paul is a racist. If I understand your position accurately, Ron Paul is a racist and thus doesn't deserve to hold office.

I made this mistake by confusing that my issue was wether or not you are calling Ron Paul supporters posting here racists for their support of Ron Paul. that much you did deny. I also disputed your presentation of 4th hand hearsay as direct evidence, an objection I maintain and do not retract.

4th hand hearsay evidence is exactly what President Bush used to launch the war in Iraq. Thus I won't apologize, but I do admit the mistake.

I will however, agree that your intention, as inept as it is, remains exactly what you posted in reply to Independent Harry, that you wanted to show exactly that YOU BELIEVE supporters of Ron Paul are supporting racism just as if they voted directly for say David Duke.

Now if any of your accusations about Ron Paul are even remotely true, why is it he has never been censured by the Republican Party? By your logic that would mean the Republican Party is supporting racism.

As to your demand for an apology, I suggested that "Republicans as represented by rg are either an I.Q. Challenged brain dead pod person or a liar." You have convinced me that you are not a liar. "Either" and "Or" being the operative words, an apology isn't necessary as I'm right on the former.

[Cat slave]

Is there one thing on the face of the earth that can be discussed without
it all being about "race"?

[Cat slave]

No one answer, Im going to bed. Night all.

[Bill]

Isn't there some ruckus going on about Reagan being a gigantic closet racist, something about a "southern strategy" and speeches in civil rights murder towns about "states rights", supposedly code for "a white man can lynch a black man and get away with it in my presidency".

And a bunch of other anti-black votes and laws and stuff.

I'm pretty sure I was reading something about that.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Dear Ladymod,

In the interest of clarity, I wasn't pissed off at all when I posted, "Republicans as represented by rg are either I.Q. challenged brain dead pod people or liars" It was not an emotional response. I was neither pissed or delighted.

It's the same as asking someone between the age of 50-60 if they've ever taken a controlled substance for non-medical use. If the response is "no" it's either a lie or an admission to being a geek.

In the instant matter, rg posts a series of stories tying Ron Paul to racisim and denies he's suggesting Paul is a racist. Gimme a break, eh. Find an impartial jury of 12 I.Q. normal range people of non-partisan political persuasion who wouldn't agree that rg isn't dumber than dirt or is flat out lying.

Your friend,
moon.

The title of his thread suggests that he believes that Ron Paul is a racist:

The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters

Nothing he has said since, in the first post to his most recent has suggested that he believes any other way. He did make a weak attempt at sidetracking once he realized that everyone figured out what he was doing and called him on it but he hasn't denounced any of these racist groups for using Ron Paul as a platform to further their own agendas.

Ergo, no renunciation, according to RG, makes him a racist. Those are the standards he uses and has used in the past.


Namaste'

Lady Mod

[Independent Harry]

Is there one thing on the face of the earth that can be discussed without
it all being about "race"?

yeah cheese, cheese has nothing to do with race, unless its American Cheese, because then it could be african american cheese, or irish american cheese, or itialian american cheese, that's where we run into the problem with cheese.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

yeah cheese, cheese has nothing to do with race, unless its American Cheese, because then it could be african american cheese, or irish american cheese, or itialian american cheese, that's where we run into the problem with cheese.

Or Swiss cheese. Then we have an "International" problem.

.

[Independent Harry]

None of the Republican candidates supports judicial activism. Supporting judicial activism is a liberal thing, not a conservative one.




I would ask that you either post the quote where I said such a thing, or retract that statement and apologize for the unwarranted personal attacks.

The following was the accusation of yours I denied:

Wow grim, you got it, the current republicans running for office, except for RP and 1 or 2 others are actually neo-cons which in turn are actually liberals...amazing, you somehow managed to come to that conclusion without coming to that conclusion. The powers of doublethink you employ are amazing.

Laws against stem cell research, and abortions are judicial activism, laws against drug use are infact judicial activism. The list goes on and on grim...even things like the Military Ommisions Act (you like the play on words there) and The Patriot Act are a form of judicial activism

[Independent Harry]

[QUOTE=LadyMod at scam.com]Or Swiss cheese. Then we have an "International" problem.

.[/QUOT:]

:talktothehand: Please stop right there sir, I'm going to have to confiscate that swiss cheese in the name of national security.

[Kinky Jones]

Ron Paul a Racist? (http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41721)

Ron Paul’s own words on racism, circa 2002, are perhaps his own best rebuttal, according to sources close to the campaign:

“The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity. In a free market, businesses that discriminate lose customers, goodwill, and valuable employees – while rational businesses flourish by choosing the most qualified employees and selling to all willing buyers. More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct what is essentially a sin of the heart, we should understand that reducing racism requires a shift from group thinking to an emphasis on individualism.”

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul68.html




The man has spent his entire adult life delivering babies, black and white

Ron Paul Racist Smear- Todays High Alert (http://www.freemarketnews.com/Analysis/134/7587/high%20alert.asp?wid=134&nid=7587) tues. May 22 2007


you can't hold the guy responsible for people exercising their right to give the candidate they prefer free advertising :thumbsup: