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moonman
11-16-2007, 10:43 AM
If you listen to the democrats this election cycle one gets the impression that there are real issues facing our country. Turn on the Republican chatter and one hears arguments about who is most electable and able to win.

There is a clear message here, though I can't quite put my finger on it.

The obvious of course is that the Republicans are running scared because even if they had a Reagan now, there is no liberal record to run against. Republicans are the establishment, have been for 27 years and can no longer claim "gubment is the problem, not the solution." Any such a claim is an admission of 27 years of do nothing and failure.

The Democrats are not seeking the most electable candidate. Electability is barely a blip on the caucus and primary voters mind. It's issues that matter. Iraq and the economy. Come election time it will be the economy first and Iraq second.

As it stands, '08 is the Democrats to lose and well they could. Immigration will be the wedge issue that fires up the great white south. Immigration has replaced States Rights as code.

This election, like all elections is full of establishment candidates. On the Republican side, only Ron Paul is running against the establishment. The Democrats feature two of their top 3 candidates vying for the "voice of change."

Change is always a good political position. By advocating change a politician can offer the only thing a politician has to sell; that is of course, hope. Vote for me and everything will get better. We're never quite sure what everything is but whoever best sells hope, either from the postive or negative, is the next President.

In other words, it could be Obama if he can paint Clinton as the establishment candidate and he the candidate of change. It could be Huckabee or RudyG or Thompson or McCain or Romney if either can rally the great white south on the fear that open borders will make our once white nation brown.

stefan segal
11-16-2007, 11:03 AM
Moonman...don't write off Edwards...this man is a strong fighter and is in place if/when obama and hillary destroy each other.

I fear that both of them (Obama/hillary) are only electable by some default. Countrywide, our midlands might not vote for a black or a woman.

Happily, their electorial votes are not great...except in mass, and I give Obama the edge for those wanting change, as hillary is a corporate whore. The trick is to demonstrate her innards to the female majority of the voting citizens.

Stefan

Moby
11-16-2007, 12:09 PM
You've noticed that too.

"The Party Must Maintain Control", "Vote For The Party", "The Party Will Support You".

Most people don't remember the cold war and this was exactly the mentality that the Communists used to brain wash people into giving up their freedoms.

Sure the Party has destroyed this country's economy while squandering $trillions of dollars and allowing our enemies such as China control of our future but it's good vs. evil. Vote for the Party or die!

disrupter
11-16-2007, 12:46 PM
Democrats are largely arguing substance & Republicans are only arguing the most shallow of politics.

Certainly not much of a change there.

Repigs are trash & Demos are imperfect adults.

People just need to get real.
what good has your personal $30,000.00 USD bill for Iraq done you?
collapse the dollar, getting ready for import caused inflation?
create more terrorists & anti-American hate around the world?

When you start talking bread & butter domestic issues, ie. SANITY
water, healthcare, budgeting, deficits, energy,
there is only one conclusion,

Vote for anyone but a Reptilelican,

In HEAVILY MONITORED & VALIDATED elections.

Just Say NO to the Criminal Elite.

kres24GT
11-16-2007, 12:48 PM
LMAO @ sheep. Anyone who votes for either of these parties should lose their voting privileges. .

kres24GT
11-16-2007, 12:50 PM
Vote for anyone but a Reptilelican,

In HEAVILY MONITORED & VALIDATED elections.

Just Say NO to the Criminal Elite.


Add Democrats to that list and you got it. Vote Green, Socialist, Libertarian, Independent, but anything than the Ds and Rs who are destroying our country to serve their corporate masters. If you are a middle class American and you are going to vote for a Dem or a Repub you are voting for your own demise.

moonman
11-16-2007, 03:37 PM
Moonman...don't write off Edwards...this man is a strong fighter and is in place if/when obama and hillary destroy each other.

I fear that both of them (Obama/hillary) are only electable by some default. Countrywide, our midlands might not vote for a black or a woman.

Happily, their electorial votes are not great...except in mass, and I give Obama the edge for those wanting change, as hillary is a corporate whore. The trick is to demonstrate her innards to the female majority of the voting citizens.

Stefan

Edwards was my first choice when I was leanin' Dem. I'll be voting the Green ticket again.

Hillary is what she is. It doesn't matter though. If she gets to the general, women will elect her. I've seen polls that report 25% of registered Republican women will vote for her. Ain't a secret ballot grand?

The problem with taken Hillary down in the primary though is that Obama has to paint her establishment colors and so far he ain't gettin' it done. I don't see that her taken 17 sides on every issue is a problem. She's a Clinton and lyin' is part of their charm.

Moby
11-16-2007, 03:39 PM
LMAO @ sheep. Anyone who votes for either of these parties should lose their voting privileges. .
So you're going to vote knowing that by not making a stand that you're really not making a choice.

kres24GT
11-16-2007, 03:42 PM
So you're going to vote knowing that by not making a stand that you're really not making a choice.

I will make a choice, the choice will not be for someone who is a part of a party that wants to ruin this country and eliminate the middle class (me). Voting for my own demise (i.e.e voting Dem or Rep) would be stupid.