Muslims Intimidated Church Into Holding Arafat Memorial

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JERUSALEM – Intimidation by members of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party forced a Catholic church in Gaza to hold a memorial service yesterday for the late PLO leader Yasser Arafat, according to sources in Gaza's Christian leadership.

The sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity out of fear for their safety, said Catholics now fears retaliation from Hamas, Fatah's rival, after holding yesterday's ceremony commemorating the third anniversary of Arafat's death.

"The church was obliged to hold the event for Arafat after Christian leaders participated in a Hamas event 10 days ago," said a Christian source close to the church. "Now we fear Christians may be casualties of the escalating violence. We may be caught in the crosshairs, and we're afraid of retaliation."

The Arafat memorial was held at Gaza City's Holy Family Church. Manuel Musallam, the parish's priest was quoted by participants calling Arafat's death "a great loss for the Palestinian people."

"Arafat was a great and very courageous leader," stated Musallam, according to memorial participants speaking to WND. "We miss this great person who was the first to bring hopes of freedom and independence to the Palestinians. We call on the Palestinian leadership to follow Arafat's road to end the suffering of Palestinian people."

The church event was part of larger, three-day memorial services held throughout the Gaza Strip and West Bank, with events in Gaza setting off the worst factional clashes between Fatah and Hamas in months.

Hamas gunmen Monday reportedly opened fire at a massive Fatah rally in Gaza that had over 250,000 participants in the largest show of Fatah strength in Gaza since Hamas took over the territory in June. Seven Palestinians – all reportedly Fatah supporters – were killed in the clashes, according to news reports. Some 85 more were wounded in the violence, three of whom are said to be in serious condition.

The church memorial was the second time in recent days Christian leaders in the Gaza Strip said they were intimidated into showing support for the Palestinian leadership.

Earlier this month, WND reported Christian leaders in the Gaza Strip were intimidated into attending and expressing support for a speech in which the territory's Hamas leader urged the worldwide spread of Islam, according to sources in Gaza's Christian community.

Artinious Alexious, priest of Gaza's Greek Orthodox Church, and Emanuel Salum, a Catholic leader in Gaza, were at a major speech 10 days ago by Ismail Haniyeh, leader of the Hamas government in Gaza and deposed prime minister of the previously Hamas-run Palestinian Authority.

Also present were hundreds of gunmen, including members of a group, Jihadia Salafiya, suspected of carrying out anti-Christian attacks in Gaza such as the lobbing of grenades last September at Alexious' church.

Hamas banned most international media from covering the event, only allowing entry to journalists accredited by the terror group.

A major theme of Haniyeh's speech was the spread of Islamic values throughout the world, according to reporters in attendance.

The reporters present said at one point during his speech, Haniyeh spoke about the "excellent" situation for Christians living under Hamas rule in Gaza.

He pointed to the two Christian leaders in attendance, at which point to two raised their hands and nodded in agreement, witnesses told WND.

According to sources in Gaza's Christian community speaking on condition of anonymity, Alexious and Salum were intimidated into attending the Hamas speech. The sources said in the weeks prior to the event, Haniyeh's office repeatedly called the Christian leaders to request they free their schedules to assist the Hamas rally.

"The priests thought it was a diplomatic way to threaten them and put pressure on them," said one source.

"After discussions within the Christian community leadership it was decided it would be dangerous not to assist in the meeting even though it would be very strange to see priests assisting in a meeting about the spread of Islam," the source said.

Hamas in June seized complete control of the Gaza Strip from Fatah amid widespread fears it would impose hard-line Islamic rule in the territory and that life for Christians might deteriorate.

About 3,000 Christians live in the Gaza Strip, which has a population of over 1 million.

There have been a slew of recent alleged anti-Christian attacks in Gaza, including the murder last month of a Christian bookstore owner whose beaten, bullet-ridden body was found after his shop repeatedly had been targeted by Islamists. Rami Ayyad, who managed the only Christian bookstore in Gaza, also had been threatened a number of times by local Islamist groups.

[David Lyle Segal]

Are these the guys who some of us believe are trustworthy with the Christian and Jewish sites in Jerusalem? During the Jordanian occupation, they reneged on their agreement to permit Israelis to pray in East Jerusalem. During the PLO takeover of the West Bank, they seized the Tomb of Joseph and turned it into a mosque. And now they're making the the Christians in Gaza kiss the whip while they crush them.

David Segal

[Islam Rocks!]

I have a suspicion that the Christians in Gaza are spys for the Zionists and can't be trusted. This was just a test to see which side the fence that they are on.

[David Lyle Segal]

I have a suspicion that the Christians in Gaza are spys for the Zionists and can't be trusted. This was just a test to see which side the fence that they are on.

Which side are you on?

David Segal

[Moby]

Are you saying that in and around Israel there is some religious discrimination going on? That's absurd.

[Islam Rocks!]

If you are being sarcastic, thats funny.
If not, then what planet are you from?

[Islam Rocks!]

Which side are you on?

David SegalOn the side that will eventually win, and free themselves from Zionist oppression!!

[Jesse Hemingway]

It sure is funny that church brings out the best in everyone fuck ALL religion for humanities sake. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Islam Rocks!]

It sure is funny that church brings out the best in everyone fuck ALL religion for humanities sake. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
I will pray for your godless soul!! :bowdown:

[Jesse Hemingway]

I will pray for your godless soul!!



Because I say Fuck All Religions I am a godless soul? So what you are saying is that GOD is not what religions say then. Below is the definition of omnipresent my definition is that there is no place GOD is not. So to say I am a Godless soul then you’re saying that your GOD is not everywhere. OK

When I say FUCK ALL RELIGIONS the real message I am trying to convey is that ALL RELIGIONS are inherently corrupt. Many religions have their main character for example Jesus you can pick any flavor they are all the same. After Jesus’ execution the Christianity was turned over to middle management and they were tagging along with Jesus in the first place for their cut of heaven. So the following grows by people that did not have a clue of the real message was, or what it meant then they make their rules and laws and then it becomes a big fucking business.

Remember this, about the 3 OMNIS of GOD All Powerful, All Knowing, and OMNIPRESENT. That is my test for any religion if they deny any of those 3 traits they are not true, that is just the way it is. So to say that I am a Godless soul you have just denied your GOD, and by the way there is just as much of GOD in HELL as there is in HEAVEN go back to the 3 traits it is a fact. :hi: :hi: :hi:


Omnipresent, ubiquitous refer to the quality of being everywhere. Omnipresent emphasizes in a lofty or dignified way the power, usually divine, of being present everywhere at the same time, as though all-enveloping: Divine law is omnipresent.

[Moby]

If you are being sarcastic, thats funny.
If not, then what planet are you from?
There are no other planets.

[David Lyle Segal]

IR> On the side that will eventually win, and free themselves from Zionist oppression!!

Well, it looks like Hamas is ahead on heads rolled. Seven Fatah supporters killed and 85 wounded at the rally in Gaza. How do you keep score?

[Islam Rocks!]

By how many Zionist bite the dust!!!

[David Lyle Segal]

By how many Zionist bite the dust!!!
Do you think that you could drool and snigger some, Ghoul?
David Segal

[Islam Rocks!]

Do you think that you could drool and snigger some, Ghoul?
David SegalWhat ever that means???????????

[David Lyle Segal]

What ever that means???????????

I was sure it wouldn't take long to exhaust your vocabulary, but I didn't think it would be this short a wait.

[Islam Rocks!]

I was sure it wouldn't take long to exhaust your vocabulary, but I didn't think it would be this short a wait.I understand the words but not the obscure meaning.......

[Little Red Dog]

There are no other planets.

AHA!!!! Another Divine Design fan heard from...

I KNEW you'd have to reveal yourelf eventually. :woohoo:

[David Lyle Segal]

I understand the words but not the obscure meaning.......

See what I mean?

[Islam Rocks!]

See what I mean?No, not really!!

[David Lyle Segal]

No, not really!!

Let me put in simpler terms, then. In answer to the question, how do you keep score, you answered, "By how many Zionists bite the dust". Now, while, my phrasing may have confused you, you should be at least aware of the meanings of your own words: "Bite the dust" means they are killed. You keep score on the basis of how many Zionists are killed.

I see you as a ghoul, because you chose to keep score according to how many Zionists are killed. Your objective is the deaths of Israeli Jews, not for what they do, but for who they are. For example, I live in Philadelphia and am an ardent Zionist. I donate to yeshivas in Israel. You want my death to add to your 'score'.

What is even more ghoulish, is your eagerness for their deaths as your entertainment. You are unconcerned about the safety of anyone else who might be injured or killed in the process, including Palestinians (except, perhaps, when the "score" shifts in the other direction, whereupon your thirst for more Jewish blood is heightened all the more).

I could care less how much "Islam Rocks" your cradle. When you adopt such a nickname in the quest for Jewish blood, however, you not only broadcast your desire to expose narcissitic, genocidal urges, but enlist a great, monotheistic religion in your cause. That idiocy paints a self-portrait of a drooling, sniggering moron. You may as well be squatting in a corner, playing with the outflow of a cesspool. Grow up and pay attention. Real people are dying, and not for your selfish entertainment.

David Segal

[Islam Rocks!]

Well, it looks like Hamas is ahead on heads rolled. Seven Fatah supporters killed and 85 wounded at the rally in Gaza. How do you keep score?
This is what you posted DSL.

Sounds pretty ghoulish to me.

I have nothing against Jews.

But Zionists are the modern day Nazis.

Under the guise of Judiasm, they are unleashing a cruel form of brutality and oppression upon the Palestinian people.

[David Lyle Segal]

You're only digging your hole all the deeper, IR. You want me dead. Ghoul. I've gotten along with every Palestinian I've met, including one in Jordan who invited me to his home to meet his family, another with whom I spent a week driving in a truck throughout both Israel and the disputed territories, and a whole family of Palestinians living in Detroit, with whom I spent a week at a dude ranch in Arizona. I unleashed nothing on them; I like them and wish them well.

BTW, Zionists don't rely on Judaism, but like the rest of the vast emptiness ofyour knowledge about Zionism, I don't imagine that you have any knowledge about that, either.


David Segal

[David Lyle Segal]

But Zionists are the modern day Nazis. Under the guise of Judiasm, they are unleashing a cruel form of brutality and oppression upon the Palestinian people.

Don't duck now, ghoul. You said that you keep score according to the number of Zionists who 'bite the dust'. Do you really think that you are capable of a useful conversation on any topic touching on the Middle East after showing your fangs so proudly?

David Segal

[Islam Rocks!]

Did you notice that I said under the "guise" of Judiasm?

The secular Zionists misled the world into thinking that it was religious Jews who wanted to return to the promised land.

And gulible Christians bought into this huge deception.

In reality the Zionists couldn't care less about Judiasm or the Rabbis or the Torah.

That was just a front to steal the land of innocent people legally.

[Islam Rocks!]

Don't duck now, ghoul. You said that you keep score according to the number of Zionists who 'bite the dust'. Do you really think that you are capable of a useful conversation on any topic touching on the Middle East after showing your fangs so proudly?

David SegalThen let's tell the truth now DLS.

Do you feel bad or mourn when you hear of the death of someone who is a member of Hamas or Fatah?

Truth..........

[David Lyle Segal]

Did you notice that I said under the "guise" of Judiasm? The secular Zionists misled the world into thinking that it was religious Jews who wanted to return to the promised land. And gulible Christians bought into this huge deception. In reality the Zionists couldn't care less about Judiasm or the Rabbis or the Torah. That was just a front to steal the land of innocent people legally.

Do you really think that I could care about your pathetic attempts at whining explication? Listen up, IR: you want me (and all other Zionists) dead! You want our deaths as your personal entertainment -- to keep your furshlugginer 'score'. you don't care what I (or any other Zionist) has actually done; being Zionist is enough for you to wish me dead. Up yours, Ignorant Gentile Who Thinks That Islam Rocks. Do you really think that you are ready for long pants, Ghoul?

Why should anyone be interested in anyone whose desire is death?

David Segal

[Islam Rocks!]

Then let's tell the truth now DLS.

Do you feel bad or mourn when you hear of the death of someone who is a member of Hamas or Fatah?

Truth..........

I asked you for an answer in truth DLS, but you have avoided the question.

You just set back and call me names. (I haven't called you any names)

You behavior really proves that you are a Zionist.

[David Lyle Segal]

IR> You behavior really proves that you are a Zionist.
As I said earliler, I most definitely am. Have been one all my life. And you want me dead to increase your scorecard.

David Segal

[Islam Rocks!]

So you still refuse to answer the question that I asked.

No wonder the Palestinian people have such a difficult time dealing with you Zionists.

Zionists are evil incarnate!

They are the bane of the world and modern civilization.

Zionism is a terrorist ideology invented by Satan to plague mankind.

Ahmadinejad is the one man telling the truth and alerting the world about this criminal organization.

[Islam Rocks!]

JUDAISM VERSUS ZIONISM

Judaism believes in One G-d who revealed the Torah. It affirms Divine Providence and, accordingly, views Jewish exile as a punishment for sin. Redemption may be achieved solely through prayer and penance. Judaism calls upon all Jews to obey the Torah in its entirety including the commandment to be patriotic citizens.

Zionism rejects the Creator, His Revelation and reward and punishment. Among its fruits are the persecution of the Palestinian people and the spiritual and physical endangering of the Jewish people. It encourages treasonous, dual loyalty among unsuspecting Jews throughout the world. At its root Zionism sees reality as barren and desacralized. It is the antithesis of Torah Judaism.


There is a vile lie, which stalks the Jewish people across the globe. It is a lie so heinous, so far from the truth, that it can only gain popularity due to the complicity of powerful forces in the "mainstream" media and educational establishment.

It is a lie which has brought many innocent people untold suffering and if unchecked has the potential to create extraordinary tragedy in the future.
It is the lie that declares that Judaism and Zionism are identical.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Judaism is the belief in revelation at Sinai. It is the belief that exile is a punishment for Jewish sins.

Zionism has for over a century denied Sinaitic revelation. It believes that Jewish exile can be ended by military aggression.

Zionism has spent the past century strategically dispossessing the Palestinian people. It has ignored their just claims and subjected them to persecution, torture and death.

Torah Jews the world over are shocked and pained at this short-lived dogma of irreligiosity and cruelty. Thousands of Torah scholars and saints have condemned this movement from its inception. They knew that the pre-existing good relationship between Jews and Muslims in the Holy Land was bound to suffer as Zionism advanced.

The so-called "State of Israel" stands rejected on religious grounds by the Torah. Its monstrous insensitivity to the laws of basic decency and fairness appall all men be they Jewish or not.

The Neturei Karta have been in the forefront of the battle against Zionism for over a century.

Their presence is to refute the base lie that the evil, which is Zionism, in some way represents the Jewish people.

The reverse is true.

All are saddened day in and day out at the terrible toll of death emanating from the Holy Land. Not one of them would have occurred if Zionism had not unleashed its evil energies upon the world.

Jews are called upon to live in peace and harmony with all men. And are exhorted to be law abiding and patriotic citizens in all lands.

All people should condemn the current Zionist atrocities in the Holy Land. Yearn for peace based upon mutual respect. I am convinced that this proposed mutual respect is doomed to fail as long as the Israeli state exists. I welcome its abolition in a peaceful manner.

May we be worthy of true redemption when all men will join in brotherhood in His worship.

[David Lyle Segal]

IR> Judaism believes in One G-d who revealed the Torah. It affirms Divine Providence and, accordingly, views Jewish exile as a punishment for sin. Redemption may be achieved solely through prayer and penance. Judaism calls upon all Jews to obey the Torah in its entirety including the commandment to be patriotic citizens.

Zionism rejects the Creator, His Revelation and reward and punishment. Among its fruits are the persecution of the Palestinian people and the spiritual and physical endangering of the Jewish people. It encourages treasonous, dual loyalty among unsuspecting Jews throughout the world. At its root Zionism sees reality as barren and desacralized. It is the antithesis of Torah Judaism. ...

I didn't know you were Jewish, IR. Or, was this written by someone else. Somehow, it doesn't appear to come from your stylebook.

David Segal

[Islam Rocks!]

I didn't know you were Jewish, IR. Or, was this written by someone else. Somehow, it doesn't appear to come from your stylebook.

David Segal

No I am not Jewish and I didn't write the piece. But I do agree with everything that it says. Years ago I studied the Torah and Tanack, so I am aware of what truths they contain.

[David Lyle Segal]

So you still refuse to answer the question that I asked.

No wonder the Palestinian people have such a difficult time dealing with you Zionists.

Zionists are evil incarnate!

They are the bane of the world and modern civilization.

Zionism is a terrorist ideology invented by Satan to plague mankind.

Ahmadinejad is the one man telling the truth and alerting the world about this criminal organization.

I didn't answer your so-called question, because it wasn't germane to our discussion. We were talking about how you deal with the deaths of Zionists. You revel in it. You mark each one down on your little scoresheet. You have absolutely nothing to go on in judging how I perceive anyone's death; you simply continue on in your bloodthirsting hatred, pretending that it somehow elevates Islam.

David Segal

[David Lyle Segal]

IR> No I am not Jewish and I didn't write the piece. But I do agree with everything that it says. Years ago I studied the Torah and Tanack, so I am aware of what truths they contain.

It's spelled Tanach, and I doubt very much that you know any more about either than you do about Islam. By bringing in Judaism, you certainly show how little you know about Zionism. Zionism isn't about Judaism at all; it's about Jews.

By the way, why did you pick Naturei Karta as your candidate for the true Jews? Is there a NK pope for all Jew?

David Segal

[Islam Rocks!]

I didn't answer your so-called question, because it wasn't germane to our discussion. We were talking about how you deal with the deaths of Zionists. You revel in it. You mark each one down on your little scoresheet. You have absolutely nothing to go on in judging how I perceive anyone's death; you simply continue on in your bloodthirsting hatred, pretending that it somehow elevates Islam.

David SegalIt's a war and the Zionists are the enemy. If an IDF soilder falls, then score one for the good guys.

I am sure you feel the same way when you hear that a member of Hezbollah, Hamas, or Fatah has bit the dust.

True......?

[Islam Rocks!]

It's spelled Tanach, and I doubt very much that you know any more about either than you do about Islam. By bringing in Judaism, you certainly show how little you know about Zionism. Zionism isn't about Judaism at all; it's about Jews.

By the way, why did you pick Naturei Karta as your candidate for the true Jews? Is there a NK pope for all Jew?

David SegalThanks for the spelling lesson. Just woke up, so bare with me.

My post was about the difference between Jews and Zionists. I do know the difference.

Although the artical was from the Naturei Karta. I am not endorsing them. I just thought they clearly and concisely informed people about the difference between Jews and Judiasm.

I have nothing against the Jews.

But the Zionists are pure evil.

[David Lyle Segal]

IR> I am sure you feel the same way when you hear that a member of Hezbollah, Hamas, or Fatah has bit the dust.
True......?

Of course not. I wish for no one's death, not even those who wake up in the morning wondering how many Jews they can kill. Only ghouls are so fascinated with death.

David Segal

[Islam Rocks!]

Of course not. I wish for no one's death, not even those who wake up in the morning wondering how many Jews they can kill. Only ghouls are so fascinated with death.

David SegalZionists not Jews. Must I repeat. Zionists not Jews are the murderous scum that need cleansed from the earth. Just like the Nazis were irradicated in Germany like the vermin rats they were. Clear enough?!?!

[David Lyle Segal]

IR> Zionists not Jews. Must I repeat. Zionists not Jews are the murderous scum that need cleansed from the earth. Just like the Nazis were irradicated in Germany like the vermin rats they were. Clear enough?!?!

Are you threatening me? I sure hope not.

David Segal

[Islam Rocks!]

Are you threatening me? I sure hope not.

David SegalNo, I am Not threating You.

I am a non-violent person.

I was talking about the Zionists who live in Israel.

Don't try and turn this into a personal thing, because it is not.

I don't know you or anything about you.

This is just a political board where people rant and rave.

If your skin is that thin, mayby you shouldn't engage in this type of dialogue.

I was comparing the Zionists in Israel to the Nazis in Germany.

Both committed genocide on a helpless group of people to satisfy their nationalistic desires.

That was all I was trying to say. Period

[David Lyle Segal]

IR> No, I am Not threating You. I am a non-violent person. I was talking about the Zionists who live in Israel.

Sure, IR. Non-violent people are noted for their insistence that others be wiped from the face if the earth.

FYI, my wife, daughter and granddaughter all live in Jerusalem, IR. Are you threatening them?

IR> Don't try and turn this into a personal thing, because it is not.
I don't know you or anything about you. This is just a political board where people rant and rave.

You don't have any idea how personally I take your ranting, IR. You want all Zionists dead. That includes not only me, but my family. Hamas wants the same thing. Are you a member of Hamas?

IR> If your skin is that thin, mayby you shouldn't engage in this type of dialogue. I was comparing the Zionists in Israel to the Nazis in Germany.
Both committed genocide on a helpless group of people to satisfy their nationalistic desires. That was all I was trying to say. Period

Is this supposed to excuse your ghoulish blood-thirst? I think not. Not when you want people dead. You may think that the anonyminity of the internet grants you license to play with the lives of other people. Think again. Real people are at risk of their lives in the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. I'm close to some of them. On both sides. If you want to make a valuable contribution, come up with something more creative than killing people whom you don't know and don't understand at all. Your approach is atrocious. Ghoul.

David Segal

[Islam Rocks!]

No, I am not a member of Hamas or any other organization.

But I do support the rights of the Palestinian people.

I have many Jewish friends. And the owner of the company I work for is a Jew. We get along just fine.

You keep trying to turn this into some kind of personal thing.

I am just an observer on the sidelines rooting for my team.

I have decided not to dialogue with you anymore DLS.

It's obvious that you are a hot head trying to turn this into something personal against me.

I don't want to be involved with your personal agenda/vendetta

Good Bye

[David Lyle Segal]

IR> I have many Jewish friends. And the owner of the company I work for is a Jew. We get along just fine.

Is he aware of your "scorecard"? Somehow, I think that you have been much more modest around him than you have been on these boards.

IR> I am just an observer on the sidelines rooting for my team.

Aw. IR just lost his innocence.

You keep trying to turn this into some kind of personal thing. I am just an observer on the sidelines rooting for my team.

It has always been personal to me, IR. Anytime someone takes pleasure in the number of deaths of folks like me, it's very personal. The only difference here is that you have finally lost your virginity. This isn't some video game that you can re-set and play again. The next time you exult over how some Israeli's death has increased your score, remember: there's going to be a Zionist right there in your face to remind you how juveniles should behave.

David Segal

[David Lyle Segal]

IR> Judaism believes in One G-d who revealed the Torah. It affirms Divine Providence and, accordingly, views Jewish exile as a punishment for sin. Redemption may be achieved solely through prayer and penance. Judaism calls upon all Jews to obey the Torah in its entirety including the commandment to be patriotic citizens. ... Judaism is the belief in revelation at Sinai. It is the belief that exile is a punishment for Jewish sins.

I've always wondered what it takes to be a Torah True Jew. I sure am lucky that you came along to instruct me.

David Segal