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LadyMod at scam.com
11-08-2007, 06:30 AM
This is the kind of stuff he'll go down in the history books for. This will make him the worst President the U.S. has had to date. Whether he likes it or not he can't pass this buck on and blame it on the next administration. This is all a result of Bush fiscal irresponsibility and warmongering...If China and Japan start dumping dollars it's hello depression. Thank you Herbert Hoover/Bush


Markets and Dollar Sink as Slowdown Fear Increases (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/08/business/08econ.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin)

By MICHAEL M. GRYNBAUM and PETER S. GOODMAN
Published: November 8, 2007

Stock markets plummeted and the dollar sank to a record low against the euro yesterday as investors worldwide grew skittish over rising oil prices and the prospect of a substantial economic slowdown in the United States.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/11/07/business/08econ.graphic.190.jpgThe Dow Jones industrial average fell 360 points and the broader stock market dropped nearly 3 percent, driven down by fear that the troubles in housing are likely to continue well into next year, contributing to further losses in credit markets and spreading pain to the rest of the economy. After a relatively strong summer, consumer spending is expected to tighten and business profits slow in the months ahead, analysts said.

“We are experiencing among our clients an awakening that the United States is in big trouble,” said Erik Nielsen, chief Europe economist at Goldman Sachs.

The rise in oil prices, which briefly traded yesterday above $98 a barrel before settling at $96.37, now appear to be pushing up the cost of gasoline, heating oil and jet fuel as well. That only intensified concern that American consumers may no longer be able to sustain their spending on other goods and services, particularly the large numbers of gas-guzzling vehicles still being turned out by the Detroit automakers.

The most immediate trigger for the sell-off in the dollar, traders said, was a jarring signal that suggested China might shift some of its enormous hoard of foreign currency reserves — worth more than $1.4 trillion, primarily in dollars and dollar-denominated assets — into other currencies to get a better return on its money.

“We will favor stronger currencies over weaker ones, and will readjust accordingly,” Cheng Siwei, vice chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress told a conference in Beijing on Wednesday. A Chinese central bank vice director, Xu Jian, said the dollar was “losing its status as the world currency,” according to Bloomberg News.

Mr. Cheng later told reporters he was not saying China would buy more euros and dump dollars. But as markets opened across Europe, those words echoed as an invitation to sell the American currency.

The dollar fell to its lowest level against the Canadian dollar since 1950, the British pound since 1981, and the Swiss franc since 1995. The euro rose to a new record, $1.4729, before retreating.

While the reaction to the Chinese statements appeared to have been overblown, analysts said the larger forces assailing the dollar and the stock market were more deep-seated: uncertainty about the magnitude of the mortgage-related credit crisis, and the growing sense that, sooner or later, the unraveling of the American housing market must color the larger economy.

Recent weeks have featured a string of unpleasant reckonings for major Wall Street banks, with several slashing billions of dollars from balance sheets to account for losses in the mortgage market. Yet investors fret that there is more pain to come, with no way to know how much or where, given the spider’s web of financial deals that propelled the housing boom.

“What it all comes down to beneath the surface is the perception of credit-related problems, and the perception that this is spreading in ways that cannot be anticipated,” said Alan Ruskin, chief international strategist at RBS Greenwich Capital.

Though the losses from the subprime mortgage crisis are frequently estimated at $200 billion, only about half of this money has been accounted for, Mr. Ruskin said, with the markets forced to guess where the next batch of bad holdings will emerge.

“A lot of people do the math and there still seems to be a big hole there,” he said.

Amid the carnage, though, there were still several signs that the economy remains healthy. Productivity — a measure of how much the country produces for each worker — expanded more than expected in the summer, the Labor Department said, suggesting that the economy still has the ability to grow without stoking too much inflation.

But stocks dropped from the opening bell. The Dow closed down 2.64 percent, at 13,300.02. The Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index tumbled 44.65 points, or 2.9 percent, to 1,475.62. The Nasdaq composite index fell 76.42 points, or 2.7 percent, to 2,748.76.

The market was also reacting to news from General Motors that it would write down $38.6 billion in future tax benefits after a string of poor sales in North America and Germany, logging its biggest quarterly loss ever. The company’s stock price dropped 6.1 percent, to $33.95 a share.

The uncertainty about the credit markets pushed financial stocks down nearly 5 percent.

“The mood is dreadful,” said Brian Gendreau, an investment strategist at ING Investment Management. “People are saying, ‘Well, is that all? If they were that wrong about so much, is it possible they’re still wrong?’”

As the economic implications of the mortgage crisis filtered out, the recriminations went on. New York Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo said he would subpoena records from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-backed lenders, as he continued to look into whether banks had inflated the value of homes.

The euro’s rise is being propelled by differing approaches to interest rates on opposite sides of the Atlantic. The Federal Reserve has been cutting rates to ease strains on the American economy. The European Central Bank is likely to hold rates steady when it meets today.

“There will be a natural flow of money toward countries where interest rates are going to be holding,” said Stuart A. Schweitzer, managing director of global markets at JPMorgan Asset and Wealth Management.

For Americans, the ramifications of a weak dollar are varied. World travelers feel the pinch as the price of European hotels and restaurants soar in dollar terms. At home, the prices of imported goods like German-made cars and French wine inch up. Some fret that a further weakening in the dollar could sow inflation, as the impact of higher-priced imports — oil in particular — filters through the economy.

Indeed, some now see the dollar and the price of oil as intertwined: As the value of the currency falls, sellers of oil demand more dollars for the same barrel. And as oil prices climb, this impedes American growth, making the dollar less attractive.

Many see a weaker dollar as an unavoidable means of shrinking the United States trade deficit, which last year exceeded $800 billion. A weaker dollar helps make American goods cheaper on world markets.

Exports have been surging, giving companies in the United States a source of growing profits as sales soften at home.

“We’re in an unsustainable situation in terms of accumulating enormous deficits,” said Clyde Prestowitz, a former trade negotiator in the Reagan administration, and now president of the Economic Strategy Institute. “The only way out of that is through a weaker dollar.”

Still, some say fears about a flight from the dollar are exaggerated; China and Japan depend on the purchasing power of Americans for their exports. They, along with the oil producers, hold so many dollars that they are loath to do anything to cause a precipitous fall.

But investors keep worrying about another surprise.

“You’ve basically got capital market jitters about the United States,” said William R. Cline, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington.

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LadyMod at scam.com
11-08-2007, 06:44 AM
Unseasonably Higher, Gas Prices Add to Strain on U.S. Consumers (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/08/business/08gas.html?th&emc=th)

By CLIFFORD KRAUSS
Published: November 8, 2007

HOUSTON, Nov. 7 — Most years, the shorter days and lower temperatures of autumn mean falling gasoline prices, as demand eases from the busy summer travel season.

But this year, high oil prices are upsetting that seasonal rhythm. Prices at the pump are climbing fast, bringing back memories of summertime gasoline bills.

The national average for regular gas surpassed $3 a gallon this week, and drivers could be paying record prices this holiday season, experts said. The timing of such an unusual jump could crimp consumer spending at a vital time for retailers.

“Usually Americans have more money to spend each holiday season because gasoline prices tend to give up 25 percent of their value after summer,” said Tom Kloza, an analyst with the Oil Price Information Service. “But this year there is a second coming of the gasoline rally that may be the Grinch that stole Christmas.”

Barring some unexpected development like a big drop in the price of oil, Mr. Kloza and other experts said, gas could be headed toward $4 a gallon by spring. Gasoline prices have trailed surging oil prices, but they are starting to catch up as crude oil nears $100 a barrel. Oil settled down slightly yesterday, at $96.37 a barrel.

On Wednesday the national average gas price for unleaded regular reached $3.04 — an increase of nearly 28 cents in the last month, according to AAA, the automobile club. Average gasoline prices in November had never exceeded $3 a gallon before this year. A year ago, the average price at the pump was $2.20, meaning it costs roughly $12.50 more today to fill a car with a 15-gallon tank.

In some states the average price motorists are paying is much higher. In California, for example, the price on Wednesday averaged $3.31.

For now, prices are well below the record of $3.23 a gallon, set during a spike last May. But recently they have been rising by 2 cents a gallon every day. Motorists are feeling the pain across the nation.

Jim Lunn, 48, wore a sweatshirt bearing the name of his favorite football team, the Cleveland Browns, as he filled the tank of his red Dodge pickup this week at a station in Avon Lake, Ohio. He said he liked going to games, but these days, he often stays home on game day.

“With gas prices being what they are, I can’t afford to drive all the way downtown,” he said. “So I just watch the games at home. It’s nowhere near as fun.”

If gasoline prices are causing motorists to drive less over all, it is not evident in the national statistics. Americans have consumed an average of 9.3 million barrels of gasoline a day so far this year, an increase of 0.6 percent from last year, according to the Energy Department.

One reason many consumers have shaken off the gasoline price increase may be that gasoline expenditures claim less than 4 percent of after-tax personal income today, compared with more than 6 percent in 1981 when gasoline prices were also high, according to a recent study by the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas.

But there are signs that many Americans are feeling the pinch, and business economists are worried that rising gasoline prices will cut consumer spending this holiday season.

Michael P. Niemira, chief economist for the International Council of Shopping Centers, said that average weekly earnings of American households over the last year have outpaced increased expenditures for gasoline. But he added, “With the expectations of higher gasoline prices and home heating expenses this winter, the potential exists that consumers will have less discretionary purchasing power.”

He noted that over the last couple of years consumers have been consolidating their shopping trips to save on gas. Meanwhile, lower-income drivers are especially unhappy with prices at the pump.

At a gas station in Norwalk, Ohio, where gasoline was selling on Tuesday for $3.09, drivers said the cost was crimping their lives.

“Generally, I go out less now,” said Janet LaVigne, 51, who fills her 1994 Mazda Protégé daily to deliver newspapers in communities outside Cleveland. “I do my job and come home. I used to go out to the movies, sometimes to restaurants, but now I can’t afford the gas.”

Sara Scheerer, a 17-year-old high school senior, said the high cost of fueling her 1999 Ford Explorer to drive to basketball team practices and school had forced her to get a salesclerk job at Walgreens. “I can’t spend as much money on other stuff like clothes,” she added.

Energy experts see few signs that gasoline prices will ease soon.

Geoff Sundstrom, a spokesman for AAA, projected that average regular gasoline prices nationwide would be at least $3.20 by Christmas. Amanda Kurzendoerfer, a commodities analyst at Summit Energy Services Inc., an energy manager for large users of oil and natural gas, predicted a price as high as $3.50 by Christmas — which would be a record for any time of year.

“If you look at gasoline prices relative to oil, it’s low right now,” she said. “Oil fundamentals are tight and tightening through the end of the year, demand has continued to be strong, non-OPEC supply is not keeping up and OPEC appears to not be eager to boost production.” She was referring to the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, the oil cartel.

Ms. Kurzendoerfer predicts that while oil prices could exceed $100 a barrel in the near term, they will average $75 to $80 in 2008. Still, she said gasoline prices would most likely be higher in the spring when refiners have to produce more expensive blends for warmer weather and the heavy summer driving season begins.

William R. Veno, an expert on gasoline at Cambridge Energy Research Associates, an energy consulting firm, also projects lower crude prices next year. But he warned that gasoline inventories could drop in the coming months as refiners expect to produce more profitable heating oil for the winter, leading to further pressure on gasoline prices.

“We could enter the springtime with unusually low inventories,” he said, “which would add further to very high gasoline prices in the spring.”


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moonman
11-08-2007, 07:20 AM
We have already witnessed firsthand that when gas is $3.00 per gallon discretionary spending decreases dramatically. So-called experts are predicting $4.00 per gallon by Memorial Day 2008. I shouldn't need to paint a picture when discretionary consumer spending is reduced 60-75 bucks or more per month.

People postpone buying those new shoes, jeans and dvd's. Norstrom shoppers become Walmart shoppers. Walmart shoppers switch to 99 cent stores. Everybody trades down. Even more only insure their cars when they must to get new tags. So if you can afford car insurance make bloody well sure you get noninsured motorist coverage. It's still cheap and it's necessary now more than ever. Buy a gun? I won't but I'm already changing some things to reduce my exposure to potential danger. It's a good idea to carry a twenty at all times just to buy your way out of trouble. If you're on the dark side of 40, you are a target to muggers of all variety. Forget the macho, a Jackson will still buy yer way out of trouble and given the risk, it's money well spent.

My bride and I went out for breakfast in a coffee shop on Sunday and I only had a Ben Franklin in my pocket. As I handed the bill to a senior citizen obviously working to make ends meet, I asked, "You see these everyday now right?" She grunted, "More than once a day young man."

Imagine, Bush has so inflated our economy that Ben Franklins are now commonplace in coffee shops. Worse, he ain't done yet and we ain't seen nuthin' yet. Don't be surprised if sooner, say by 2010, we are paying $8.00 for a loaf of bread and $12.00 for a gallon of milk. IF a loaf of decent bread is still about 2 bucks, a loaf will be 6 slices.

Good luck everyone. Even you radioguy.

LadyMod at scam.com
11-08-2007, 07:36 AM
I hate the idea of a senior citizen having to work to make ends meet. I always tip them extra well. Only in America and poor countries must the elderly fend for themselves.

Lady Mod

Moby
11-08-2007, 09:37 AM
It is so sad what the Americans have allowed Busch to do to this great country. Guess what. They will all blame the next President.

LadyMod at scam.com
11-08-2007, 09:55 AM
It is so sad what the Americans have allowed Busch to do to this great country. Guess what. They will all blame the next President.

Americans tried to correct the error in 2006 when they voted in so many Democrats.

I think if they blame anyone it will be a Democratic Congress that gets the bulk of it.

If a new president actually tries to correct all the problems, I think the American public will recognize the effort. Now FOX and the Republicans won't, but their voices and influence are getting weaker and weaker by the week.

Lady Mod

Kinky Jones
11-08-2007, 04:32 PM
I think it they blame anyone it will be a Democratic Congress that gets the bulk of it.

i was thinking the same thing until i ran across these poll results (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/archive/?poll_id=14#data) more of the blame is going to the reds, the numbers are dismal but citizens are paying attention more than they ever have in the past as to who is screwing them more

LadyMod at scam.com
11-08-2007, 08:26 PM
:lmao2: :lmao2: Disney deals in fantasy!!!! So does the GOP! :lmao2:


Disney says business strong despite economy (http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNewsAndPR/idUSN0826699920071108)
LOS ANGELES, Nov 8 (Reuters) - Walt Disney Co (DIS.N: Quote, Profile, Research) Chief Financial Officer Tom Staggs said on Thursday he has not seen indication that concerns over the economy have affected the media giant's businesses.

"Concerns over the economy and more specifically the travel and tourism and the ad market are of consideration for many companies this year," Staggs told analysts on a conference call.

"While these factors could impact our 2008 results, thus far our businesses remain strong, and we have not seen indications of a downturn," he said. He noted that its domestic theme parks, rooms on the books and attendance to date for the first quarter are ahead of last year by the mid-single digit percentages.

Staggs said the company's media networks, the advertising marketplace remains very healthy. (Reporting by Gina Keating, with additional reporting by Sue Zeidler; editing by Jeffrey Benkoe)

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LadyMod at scam.com
11-08-2007, 08:36 PM
The perfect picture of the Economic outlook under Bush:


http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20071109/2007_11_08t083315_450x324_us_markets_stocks.jpg

Moby
11-08-2007, 11:05 PM
i was thinking the same thing until i ran across these poll results (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/archive/?poll_id=14#data) more of the blame is going to the reds, the numbers are dismal but citizens are paying attention more than they ever have in the past as to who is screwing them more
Yes but people don't remember for more then a year or so.

People couldn't even remember Bush's resume. FrankG is always talking about Bush is keeping safe although he seems to forget who was in charge on 9/11.