Who died and made the united states boss?

[bassmaster]

We are telling other counties that they can't have nuclear weapons, but we can. Now that just does not make sense. We should focus on our own country rather than trying to take over the world. We have no right to run other countries. What do y'all think?


bassmaster:


:confused:

[Moby]

We are telling other counties that they can't have nuclear weapons, but we can. Now that just does not make sense. We should focus on our own country rather than trying to take over the world. We have no right to run other countries. What do y'all think?

I remember when republicans were all for that approach. Unfortunately in 2000 they abandoned conservative values when they voted to run Dubya instead of McCain. Then all the republicans switched positions so that they matched the liberal neocons.

The fact is that we are the major military power in the world and that we are going to try and maintain that advantage. It's not just nukes. We're also going to limit other countries access to smart bombs, bunker busters, tank technology, sub technology, space technology and so on.

Do we have the right. If the country seems to be a threat to us then I think we do. Even if we don't have the right it's part of self preservation and it's going to continue.

[disrupter]

Because we are the ones with the biggest burr up our backside,
& because for whatever reason we still have the military to largely back it up.

Muscle & brains are often somewhat mutually exclusive.

In a flight of fantasy one could have both, oh well.

[Smurf-Herder]

Yoo-hoo!

You're painting a false argument.

The Five Permanent members of the United Nations Security Council says that.

That's the US, Britain, France, Russia and China.

That's the United Nations Security Council. The head countries of the UN, in charge of Global Security. And that's the one thing they (officially) all agree on. They started the United Nations in the first place, after winning WWII. And they collectively are the boss.

[Bill]

The USSR?

Pretty soon we are going to have to start switching to a nuclear electric economy, and there are going to have to be breeder reactors everywhere there is water to cool them down.

This means radioactives are going to be everywhere.

And, the US is going to have to be Team America World Police, bombing dozens of little countries trying to get radioactives to defend themselves against their neighbors and the US.

We're starting a century of endless war. And no force on the planet can stop it.

[Frankg]

The USSR?

Pretty soon we are going to have to start switching to a nuclear electric economy, and there are going to have to be breeder reactors everywhere there is water to cool them down.

This means radioactives are going to be everywhere.

And, the US is going to have to be Team America World Police, bombing dozens of little countries trying to get radioactives to defend themselves against their neighbors and the US.

We're starting a century of endless war. And no force on the planet can stop it.

TEAM AMERICA WORLD POLICE !!!!

FUCK YEA!!!!

Keep up this patriotic talk Bill and we'll have you in red , white and blue spandex by next week

[Bill]

Let's just hope we perfect military robots and unmanned fighters and bombers.

And let the mexicans in if they serve, say, 8 years in the army.

And get ready for the riots. Riot police will be in high demand.

I mourn the America that was.

[radioguy]

Let's just hope we perfect military robots and unmanned fighters and bombers.

And let the mexicans in if they serve, say, 8 years in the army.

And get ready for the riots. Riot police will be in high demand.

I mourn the America that was.

Which America was that Bill? The America during the Clinton administration that allowed terrorists organizations like al qaida to bomb embassy's and target our naval vessels and get away with it?

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Which America was that Bill? The America during the Clinton administration that allowed terrorists organizations like al qaida to bomb embassy's and target our naval vessels and get away with it?


Maybe it was the one that allowed Israel to attack our naval vessels and get away with it...

http://www.gtr5.com/



Lady Mod

[Smurf-Herder]

Maybe it was the one that allowed Israel to attack our naval vessels and get away with it...

http://www.gtr5.com/



Lady Mod

40 years ago.

Is that the best you can do?

[Bill]

Which America was that Bill? The America during the Clinton administration that allowed terrorists organizations like al qaida to bomb embassy's and target our naval vessels and get away with it?

You're an asshole, and your rhetoric is as shallow and dead as your ditch of a psyche.

Your pathetic obsession with Clinton, the most republican of democrats, makes you look like a child, pointing at your rival and pouting "But he did it too.".

I refer, obviously to those of us with unterrified minds, to the America of my childhood, the America taught to me in history and civics classes, the Land of Liberty.

The America you hate.

[Smurf-Herder]

You're an asshole, and your rhetoric is as shallow and dead as your ditch of a psyche.

Your pathetic obsession with Clinton, the most republican of democrats, makes you look like a child, pointing at your rival and pouting "But he did it too.".

I refer, obviously to those of us with unterrified minds, to the America of my childhood, the America taught to me in history and civics classes, the Land of Liberty.

The America you hate.

Bill, the America of your childhood, the America taught to you in history and civics classes, is the America the leftists hate. They'll deny it up and down, but everything they hate were things we were raised on. There are no more basic traditional values.

[Yirmeyahu]

We are telling other counties that they can't have nuclear weapons, but we can. Now that just does not make sense. We should focus on our own country rather than trying to take over the world. We have no right to run other countries. What do y'all think?

Of course. Unless, of course, we reject the principle of universality, the principle of non-hypocrisy, which says that we should apply to ourselves the same standards we apply to others, or, if we are serious about morality, more stringent ones.

Do we have the right. If the country seems to be a threat to us then I think we do. Even if we don't have the right it's part of self preservation and it's going to continue.

Who decides what "seems to be a threat" or not? And, hypothetically, if a nation is an actual threat, how does this give us a "right" to apply a standard to them which we refuse to apply to ourselves? There is no such "right", by definition, this is not a "right" but "hypocrisy". One has a "right" to choose to be a "hypocrite", but others similarly have the right to reject hypocrisy and condemn the hypocrite.

As for the assertion that our hypocrisy is "part of self preservation", I couldn't disagree more. It could very well lead to our self-destruction, but it has nothing to do with self-preservation, at least not so far as the interests of the American people are concerned.

The Five Permanent members of the United Nations Security Council says that.

I don't follow. Says what? That the US has the "right" to apply standards to others which it refuses to apply to itself? If so, how so? If not, then what do you refer to?

We're starting a century of endless war. And no force on the planet can stop it.

I couldn't disagree more. There is one group of people which has the power to stop it. But the American people need to awake from their slumber of apathy and disregard before that can happen. Still, the possibility remains, as unlikely as it may be that it will ever occur.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

40 years ago.

Is that the best you can do?

Has the American government changed so radically that it would not be applicable to today?


Have some coffee Smurf, you are missing the points.


Lady Mod

[Smurf-Herder]

Has the American government changed so radically that it would not be applicable to today?


Have some coffee Smurf, you are missing the points.


Lady Mod

Both governments of today weren't in power then. It's totally pointless.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Both governments of today weren't in power then. It's totally pointless.

Why? Explain that to me if you will.


Lady Mod

[Moby]

Which America was that Bill? The America during the Clinton administration that allowed terrorists organizations like al qaida to bomb embassy's and target our naval vessels and get away with it?
How about the one under Bush and Cheney that allowed 9/11? Clinton wasn't in office and Bush was warned while he was taking the longest vacation that any first term President ever took.

[Smurf-Herder]

Why? Explain that to me if you will.


Lady Mod

How can you blame what an administration of a government did 40 years ago on a present government? People do this frequently. It's not the same people making decisions 40 years after the fact.

You have one incident ordered by a previous adminstration. It's like blaming the present government of Germany for what Hitler did. It's too far a stretch.

[kittens]

How can you blame what an administration of a government did 40 years ago on a present government? People do this frequently. It's not the same people making decisions 40 years after the fact.

You have one incident ordered by a previous adminstration. It's like blaming the present government of Germany for what Hitler did. It's too far a stretch.

The Junta that staged the coup d'etat that removed Kennedy from office is still in power today. The players may change but the Agenda stays the same.

I don't see any evidence to the contrary.

Meanwhile we debate over the political equivalent of pro-wrestling. Time to look beyond false paradigms of Left and Right. After all the Neocons and the Neolibs have done so. Clinton/Cheney '08 whoo-hooo!!!

[LadyMod at scam.com]

How can you blame what an administration of a government did 40 years ago on a present government? People do this frequently. It's not the same people making decisions 40 years after the fact.

You have one incident ordered by a previous adminstration. It's like blaming the present government of Germany for what Hitler did. It's too far a stretch.

I wasn't. But the office, the greed and the egos that inhabit the highest office in the land are all the same. So it's the same America, different people is all. Ergo, they allow the same atrocites, for pretty much the same reason.


Lady Mod

[David Lyle Segal]

LM> Maybe it was the one that allowed Israel to attack our naval vessels and get away with it...

Yeah, as always, no subject can last long on the boards before someone just has to figure out how take their shot at Israel.

David Segal

[Smurf-Herder]

The Junta that staged the coup d'etat that removed Kennedy from office is still in power today. The players may change but the Agenda stays the same.

I don't see any evidence to the contrary.

Meanwhile we debate over the political equivalent of pro-wrestling. Time to look beyond false paradigms of Left and Right. After all the Neocons and the Neolibs have done so. Clinton/Cheney '08 whoo-hooo!!!

You're not related to Disrupter, are you?

[Smurf-Herder]

I wasn't. But the office, the greed and the egos that inhabit the highest office in the land are all the same. So it's the same America, different people is all. Ergo, they allow the same atrocites, for pretty much the same reason.


Lady Mod

So I take it that you hate all American administations.

Yet you say you used to be a Republican. :disbelief:

[Frankg]

You're an asshole, and your rhetoric is as shallow and dead as your ditch of a psyche.

Your pathetic obsession with Clinton, the most republican of democrats, makes you look like a child, pointing at your rival and pouting "But he did it too.".

I refer, obviously to those of us with unterrified minds, to the America of my childhood, the America taught to me in history and civics classes, the Land of Liberty.

The America you hate.

Wow Bill, you really floored me with this post

RG was honestly trying to debate you , and all you got is to call him an asshole ?

Breaking your own rules

I thought you were better than this

Totally uncalled for

Not setting a good example

[Frankg]

I wasn't. But the office, the greed and the egos that inhabit the highest office in the land are all the same. So it's the same America, different people is all. Ergo, they allow the same atrocites, for pretty much the same reason.


Lady Mod

Eat a lot of paint chips when you were a kid , Ladymod ?

[LadyMod at scam.com]

So I take it that you hate all American administations.

Yet you say you used to be a Republican. :disbelief:

Not at all.

There have been some who when in office managed to control those urges that seem to come over them with the power of the office.


LOL, you do read a lot of things into words that aren't there.

Lady Mod

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Yeah, as always, no subject can last long on the boards before someone just has to figure out how take their shot at Israel.

David Segal


Cupcake, I wasn't taking a shot at Israel. I was taking a shot at the Executive branch of the United States at that time.

Please try to keep up with the gist of the conversation, or shut the hell up.

Lady Mod

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Eat a lot of paint chips when you were a kid , Ladymod ?

No frankie. And I stayed out of the Koolaide lines you frequented regularly too.


Lady Mod

[Smurf-Herder]

Not at all.

There have been some who when in office managed to control those urges that seem to come over them with the power of the office.


LOL, you do read a lot of things into words that aren't there.

Lady Mod

Ah, but you didn't qualify your remarks:

"...But the office, the greed and the egos that inhabit the highest office in the land are all the same. So it's the same America, different people is all. Ergo, they allow the same atrocites, for pretty much the same reason."

It came across as a blanket statement, against all administrations. But I'll accept your explanation. However, your explanation minimizes the importance of your "point" on the USS Liberty attack, in perspective. You can't really say the US is to blame, then it's not, then it is again; depending on who is in office - for something that happened 40 years ago.

I feel this point is falling into a black hole ................

[Smurf-Herder]

Cupcake, I wasn't taking a shot at Israel. I was taking a shot at the Executive branch of the United States at that time.

Please try to keep up with the gist of the conversation, or shut the hell up.

Lady Mod


BTW, who was President at the time?

[psikeyhackr]

Who died and made the united states boss?

The Indians!

psik

[David Lyle Segal]

Cupcake, I wasn't taking a shot at Israel. I was taking a shot at the Executive branch of the United States at that time. Please try to keep up with the gist of the conversation, or shut the hell up.

BS. If that was your intent you wouldn't have felt the need to lump Israel with Al Qaeda for attacking US ships. Either that, or it came too easily for you to engage your brain before you reached for your keyboard.

David Segal

[LadyMod at scam.com]

BS. If that was your intent you wouldn't have felt the need to lump Israel with Al Qaeda for attacking US ships. Either that, or it came too easily for you to engage your brain before you reached for your keyboard.

David Segal

Both happened, do you deny this? Both were allowed. Do you deny that?

Ergo, what government allowed both to happen without recourse? The United States.


I rest my case.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

The Indians!

psik


Ya, AFTER they were nice enough to help the colonists win their battles too.
Aren't white men special?

:rolleyes:

[David Lyle Segal]

Both happened, do you deny this? Both were allowed. Do you deny that? Ergo, what government allowed both to happen without recourse? The United States. I rest my case.

You don't have a case. You have a fixation.

Neither was "allowed" at all. Israel apologized and paid compensation to the families of those killed and injured. The US President in the 1967 incident was a Democrat, Lyndon Johnson. The US President who decided the US response in the latter case was a Republican, George W Bush. In the latter case, the US tried to assassinate the man suspected of planning the attack, Abu Ali al-Harithi. Others involved were tried in Yemeni courts, with one of them presently held at Guantánamo.

Leave Israel out of it.

[Yirmeyahu]

Who died and made the united states boss? The Indians!

Is that supposed to be funny?

[LadyMod at scam.com]

You don't have a case. You have a fixation.

Neither was "allowed" at all. Israel apologized and paid compensation to the families of those killed and injured. The US President in the 1967 incident was a Democrat, Lyndon Johnson. The US President who decided the US response in the latter case was a Republican, George W Bush. In the latter case, the US tried to assassinate the man suspected of planning the attack, Abu Ali al-Harithi. Others involved were tried in Yemeni courts, with one of them presently held at Guantánamo.

Leave Israel out of it.


I don't have a fixation and I don't care if it was a Democrat or a Republican. And you are nothing more than another apologist.

http://www.gtr5.com/

I have nothing against Israel and have many friends there. I will not however, keep their government "out of it" if I'm making a comment to someone or just to please you. I was making a point about the U.S. government, not Israel. They were merely the example I used. Now blow.

Lady Mod