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LadyMod at scam.com
10-01-2007, 01:43 PM
Here is the editorial below. This is how the Times feels, what do you think?

Personally I think Bush was wrong. If you are not going to install a draft, then you shouldn't fight wars you don't have the manpower to fight.

Then there is the flip side. The enemy we fight don't have near as many soldiers as we do and yet time and time again they give us a run for the money. This implies that what we are doing is NOT working and we have no clue how to adapt to different circumstances.


Editorial
Subcontracting the War

There is, conveniently, no official count. But there are an estimated 160,000 private contractors working in Iraq, and some 50,000 of them are “private security” operatives — that is, fighters. The dangers of this privatized approach to war became frighteningly clear last month, after guards from Blackwater USA, assigned to protect American diplomats, were accused of killing at least eight Iraqis, including an infant.

Iraqis — whose hearts and minds the Bush administration insists it is finally winning — were infuriated by the killings, telling tales of arrogant and trigger-happy operatives terrorizing ordinary citizens. The incident provides an irrefutable argument for bringing these mission-critical jobs, which should be performed by soldiers, back into government hands as quickly as possible, and for placing any remaining private contractors under the jurisdiction of American military law.

Blackwater’s 850 operatives in Iraq are not the only problem. The fact that American diplomatic activity in Iraq nearly came to a halt when Blackwater was grounded for a few days shows how much American operations have come to depend on mercenaries.

The armed forces have relied on private contractors since the United States opted for an all-volunteer military after the end of the Vietnam War — mostly for noncritical tasks such as building or cooking. The Bush administration took it to a whole new level when it decided to fight a big war with a far too small force — requiring the Pentagon and other agencies to turn to private security contractors like Blackwater to help make up some of the difference.

Contractors have been in a legal limbo in Iraq since 2004, when the American authorities there granted them immunity from prosecution under Iraqi law. Some of the interrogators involved in the abuse of prisoners at the infamous Abu Ghraib prison were private contractors, yet none of them have been punished. Indeed, no private contractor has been prosecuted or convicted for any crime involving an Iraqi victim.

Last November, an amendment was included in the defense authorization bill that put private contractors under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, exposing the contractors to a court martial just like any other American soldiers. The Bush administration has been none too eager to enforce this new law, and the Pentagon has not yet issued guidelines to commanders about its application.

The lesson here is that such essential jobs cannot be outsourced. War is not a private business.

disrupter
10-01-2007, 02:12 PM
bad.

it is just a veil for corrupting government for private profiteering.
If there were legitimate profits to be made, private institutions would have already arisen to offer these services/products independently.

It creates an additional layer of UNaccountability.

This is nothing but masked corporate welfare.

War just serves to obscure this criminal activity even further.
If you question it you are called unpatriotic, traitor & any number of worse adjectives.

When will Americans quit being so seemingly gullible?

If you want clean government operations you go in & clean them.
Privatization is not only NOT a magic bullet, it just corrupts the entire system.

If it is privatized, maybe it shouldn't be a government service in the first place. If there is no 'mission' then let the market have it, completely.

Kinky Jones
10-01-2007, 05:19 PM
worse than bad, out troops to an extent and the people trying to reconcile the country are completly dependent on private security to get anything done :(

the mercenaries should be well paid US troops who could make a proper living from serving their country, it's hard to do that on what we pay them

Linkster
10-01-2007, 06:51 PM
More importantly - and I know of personal cases where this has happened - you have these mercs working along side of a marine - one is getting paid 4 times as much as the other to do exactly the same job
How do you think the morale is for that soldier in the Marines

Smurf-Herder
10-01-2007, 06:55 PM
These people are private security guards and escorts. They are not mission critical fighters. The whole premise of the editorial is flawed.

disrupter
10-01-2007, 07:14 PM
At this point they are pretty critical, cat-herder.
I believe they guard
supply shipments,
US military & civilian personel,
& probably other quite vital functions.

Now add to that that Blackwater is reaping huge profits on top of the meager salaries they pay their grunts. They paid Chilean soldiers such crappy wages they quit, & i am pretty sure Chileans are used to lower wages than US people.

They are flat out war profiteers, incestuously in bed with Condie Rice [now that is a sick image] & Howard Krongard who have both actively covered up for all the investigations into Blackwater crimes.

If for no other reason [& their are mountains of other ones] the Bush administration is involved in obstruction of justice, a criminal activity.

Bush, Condie, Howard Krongard & Blackwater are nothing better than blood money criminals.

more of the neocon gangsters, hiding crimes behind the banners of war.
Case Closed.

Smurf-Herder
10-01-2007, 07:58 PM
At this point they are pretty critical, cat-herder.
I believe they guard
supply shipments,
US military & civilian personel,
& probably other quite vital functions.

Now add to that that Blackwater is reaping huge profits on top of the meager salaries they pay their grunts. They paid Chilean soldiers such crappy wages they quit, & i am pretty sure Chileans are used to lower wages than US people.

They are flat out war profiteers, incestuously in bed with Condie Rice [now that is a sick image] & Howard Krongard who have both actively covered up for all the investigations into Blackwater crimes.

If for no other reason [& their are mountains of other ones] the Bush administration is involved in obstruction of justice, a criminal activity.

Bush, Condie, Howard Krongard & Blackwater are nothing better than blood money criminals.

more of the neocon gangsters, hiding crimes behind the banners of war.
Case Closed.

I don't know what meager wages Blackwater pays, but Dave was making over $100,000 a year as a contractor. Although he had a very high security clearance; so that would have been higher paying, I assume. But they're still not Mercs. They're mostly nothing more than beefed-up security guards.

disrupter
10-01-2007, 08:07 PM
he is a US guy i take it? Chileans were their attempt at discount foreign labor.

'Beefed up security guards' with a license to wantonly, lawlessly murder unarmed civilians with complete legal impunity?

With machine guns in bullet proof armor?

Already involved in numerous assaults on innocent Iraqi people.

Yeah i 'guess' you could call that beefed up security guards if you want.

I will call it more simply,

outlaw mercenaries.