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Independent Harry
10-01-2007, 01:40 AM
Fedruary 7, 2007

“…man is not free unless government is limited. There's a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts.”
Ronald Reagan



We’ve all heard the words democracy and freedom used countless times, especially in the context of our invasion of Iraq. They are used interchangeably in modern political discourse, yet their true meanings are very different.

George Orwell wrote about “meaningless words” that are endlessly repeated in the political arena*. Words like “freedom,” “democracy,” and “justice,” Orwell explained, have been abused so long that their original meanings have been eviscerated. In Orwell’s view, political words were “Often used in a consciously dishonest way.” Without precise meanings behind words, politicians and elites can obscure reality and condition people to reflexively associate certain words with positive or negative perceptions. In other words, unpleasant facts can be hidden behind purposely meaningless language. As a result, Americans have been conditioned to accept the word “democracy” as a synonym for freedom, and thus to believe that democracy is unquestionably good.

The problem is that democracy is not freedom. Democracy is simply majoritarianism, which is inherently incompatible with real freedom. Our founding fathers clearly understood this, as evidenced not only by our republican constitutional system, but also by their writings in the Federalist Papers and elsewhere. James Madison cautioned that under a democratic government, “There is nothing to check the inducement to sacrifice the weaker party or the obnoxious individual.” John Adams argued that democracies merely grant revocable rights to citizens depending on the whims of the masses, while a republic exists to secure and protect pre-existing rights. Yet how many Americans know that the word “democracy” is found neither in the Constitution nor the Declaration of Independence, our very founding documents?

A truly democratic election in Iraq, without U.S. interference and U.S. puppet candidates, almost certainly would result in the creation of a Shiite theocracy. Shiite majority rule in Iraq might well mean the complete political, economic, and social subjugation of the minority Kurd and Sunni Arab populations. Such an outcome would be democratic, but would it be free? Would the Kurds and Sunnis consider themselves free? The administration talks about democracy in Iraq, but is it prepared to accept a democratically-elected Iraqi government no matter what its attitude toward the U.S. occupation? Hardly. For all our talk about freedom and democracy, the truth is we have no idea whether Iraqis will be free in the future. They’re certainly not free while a foreign army occupies their country. The real test is not whether Iraq adopts a democratic, pro-western government, but rather whether ordinary Iraqis can lead their personal, religious, social, and business lives without interference from government.

Simply put, freedom is the absence of government coercion. Our Founding Fathers understood this, and created the least coercive government in the history of the world. The Constitution established a very limited, decentralized government to provide national defense and little else. States, not the federal government, were charged with protecting individuals against criminal force and fraud. For the first time, a government was created solely to protect the rights, liberties, and property of its citizens. Any government coercion beyond that necessary to secure those rights was forbidden, both through the Bill of Rights and the doctrine of strictly enumerated powers. This reflected the founders’ belief that democratic government could be as tyrannical as any King.

Few Americans understand that all government action is inherently coercive. If nothing else, government action requires taxes. If taxes were freely paid, they wouldn’t be called taxes, they’d be called donations. If we intend to use the word freedom in an honest way, we should have the simple integrity to give it real meaning: Freedom is living without government coercion. So when a politician talks about freedom for this group or that, ask yourself whether he is advocating more government action or less.

The political left equates freedom with liberation from material wants, always via a large and benevolent government that exists to create equality on earth. To modern liberals, men are free only when the laws of economics and scarcity are suspended, the landlord is rebuffed, the doctor presents no bill, and groceries are given away. But philosopher Ayn Rand (and many others before her) demolished this argument by explaining how such “freedom” for some is possible only when government takes freedoms away from others. In other words, government claims on the lives and property of those who are expected to provide housing, medical care, food, etc. for others are coercive-- and thus incompatible with freedom. “Liberalism,” which once stood for civil, political, and economic liberties, has become a synonym for omnipotent coercive government.

The political right equates freedom with national greatness brought about through military strength. Like the left, modern conservatives favor an all-powerful central state-- but for militarism, corporatism, and faith-based welfarism. Unlike the Taft-Goldwater conservatives of yesteryear, today’s Republicans are eager to expand government spending, increase the federal police apparatus, and intervene militarily around the world. The last tenuous links between conservatives and support for smaller government have been severed. “Conservatism,” which once meant respect for tradition and distrust of active government, has transformed into big-government utopian grandiosity.

Orwell certainly was right about the use of meaningless words in politics. If we hope to remain free, we must cut through the fog and attach concrete meanings to the words politicians use to deceive us. We must reassert that America is a republic, not a democracy, and remind ourselves that the Constitution places limits on government that no majority can overrule. We must resist any use of the word “freedom” to describe state action. We must reject the current meaningless designations of “liberals” and “conservatives,” in favor of an accurate term for both: statists.

Every politician on earth claims to support freedom. The problem is so few of them understand the simple meaning of the word.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/161/what-does-freedom-really-mean/

Linkster
10-01-2007, 02:03 AM
Ive always loved listening to people when they claim to want to promote democracy - and most also claim that is what they live under in the US - and they have no idea that is not even close to what they live in.

Something to think about - the first act of this new nation after it was formed and had a sitting president - was to institute a tax - on whiskey - which immediately caused a revolution (interestingly named the whiskey revolution) - and almost caused this nation to completely fail from the get-go.

Independent Harry
10-01-2007, 10:16 AM
we all understand government have to pay for themselves. Taxing seems like the only real solution, because it would ultimately be completely unfair the government to create for profit corporations.

So people will pay the tax. But 30-40% income taxes are unecessary, if everyone pays 10% from individual to corporations, (cause most corporations pay almost nothing now, and get hundreds of billions of dollars in government welfare) So everybody pays, it makes it equal, and get rid of the damn IRS, get rid of all the government agencies that spend so much money, we would have our debt paid off in no time. And go back to a standard for currency, stop this rampant inflation.

I dunno, makes sense to me.

LadyMod at scam.com
10-01-2007, 10:19 AM
Something to think about - the first act of this new nation after it was formed and had a sitting president - was to institute a tax - on whiskey - which immediately caused a revolution (interestingly named the whiskey revolution) - and almost caused this nation to completely fail from the get-go.

Well can you really blame them after that whole Boston Tea Party fiasco?

:lmao2:

LadyMod at scam.com
10-01-2007, 10:22 AM
we all understand government have to pay for themselves. Taxing seems like the only real solution, because it would ultimately be completely unfair the government to create for profit corporations.

Harry,

We live in a Republic, not a democracy.

Here's a link that will explain the differences for you:

http://www.thisnation.com/question/011.html


Namaste'

Lady Mod

Jennifer
10-03-2007, 05:11 PM
Actually, Ladymod, you are incorrect.

We live in a Democratic Republic. A republic alone would imply we have no say in our republican representatives. That's untrue. We have a democratic election to elect our republican representatives. (not referring to party here, for those of you uninformed on the subject.)

And I, for one, love the system of electing government, I just think it is overly bloated and wasteful. Government has only those responsibilities assigned to it by the US Constitution and has no power what-so-ever anywhere else. They have no power to educate, they have no power to provide health care, they have no power to issue retirement allowances. None of that is in the Constitution. That means the states have that power and each state should be able to determine if, or how much or if not to implement those functions.


Remember: Government is not the solution to all of life's problems. Government is the root cause of all of life's problems.


Once you learn that simple pair of statements, you will become a member of the enlightened.

Independent Harry
10-03-2007, 06:48 PM
Harry,

We live in a Republic, not a democracy.

Here's a link that will explain the differences for you:

http://www.thisnation.com/question/011.html


Namaste'

Lady Mod

umm, what does that have to do with anything i said?

Jennifer
10-03-2007, 07:15 PM
umm, what does that have to do with anything i said?


It doesnt. She just wanted to be contrary so as to seem intellectually superior. Unfortunately, she also posted incorrect data in her attempt.

Independent Harry
10-03-2007, 10:15 PM
It doesnt. She just wanted to be contrary so as to seem intellectually superior. Unfortunately, she also posted incorrect data in her attempt.

I appreciate you coming to my aide to smite the liberal. But I must let you know before we continue this affair of the heart. I disagree with almost everything you have ever posted or said on this board thus far. :) But thank you regardless.

Jennifer
10-04-2007, 10:26 PM
I don't post to make friends. I post to make sure that at least someone is getting the truth out.

I'm not a conservative. I am not a liberal. I am an independant. Actually, I'm a Jeffersonian, but they don't really run candidates for elections anymore, much the shame. Our government should be inept so that the states can run things like health care and child care and TANF etc. That's not what our government was built for. Our government was built to prevent the states from violating the three basic rights all men are endowed with at birth and to prevent foreign governments from doing the same.

That's it.