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Germ17
09-30-2007, 11:55 AM
The Self-Indulgent Fantasies of Warmongers

http://www.unobserver.com/index.php?pagina=layout5.php&id=3895&blz=1

2007-09-29 | The warmongers – who never personally experience battle – are attempting to prepare us for another extension of the Middle East Wars, this time, into Iran.

Their pornographic self-indulgent fantasies lead them to believe that such a war is “winnable”. This time, even the mental masturbators who send the young to die will not remain untouched, for in their wild fantasies, they dream of using nuclear weapons.

(Please see: Bush Administration War Plans directed against Iran http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6792 )

Fortunately, there are still those in the United States Military who are Real Men and Real Women and not merely programmed killers who mindlessly obey commands.

(Please see: Air Force refused to fly weapons to Middle East theatre
B-52 Nukes Headed for Iran: Air Force refused to fly weapons to Middle East theater http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6909 )

IF – as some pundits claim – an attack on Iran would be for the benefit of Israel, then the use of nuclear weapons in such a crime would send radiation throughout the region, even into Israel - and beyond. They are no friends of Israel !

(Please see: Rapture Ready: The Unauthorized Christians United for Israel Tour
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/rapture-ready-the-unauth_b_57826.html
Of course, everyone in Iran and Iraq will be the first victims, including the invading troops, but when did the warmongers ever care about casualties ?

IF – as some pundits claim – Iran is “a threat to the world”, can someone, somewhere, please explain HOW ?

Iran has exhibited no imperialistic ambitions and has been merely attempting to preserve its own territorial integrity, ever since the Ayatollah Khomenei assumed power, after a popular revolt which overthrew the Shah, in 1979 and Saddam Hussein’s forces – backed, encouraged and supplied by the USA – attempted to overthrow the new Government. Both Iran and Iraq are still recovering from that ill-fated and ill-conceived war.

Is the current Bush Regime fantasising about “completing the job” ?

Anyone who has ever experienced combat KNOWS that there are never any real victors. There are only degrees of loss. Those with fewer losses are considered “winners”.

One wishes the civilian warmongers could learn the basic facts of Life and find fulfilment in a lover - if they have the capacity – and if anyone wants them.

Perhaps, it is time for the Military leaders of the USA to assert the Authority of Experience and refuse to follow the orders of the insane and amoral.

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Linkster
09-30-2007, 12:23 PM
I dont buy the nukes going to the middle east argument - the carriers, submarines and destroyers already have plenty of them and there would be no reason tosend any more on a B52 - there has to be a completely different reason for it happening - and while I would probably be marked as a conspiracy theorist - my feeling is it has more to do with flubbing up once in advance so that the next time you flub up its believable and terrorists "come up" up with a lost one

Linkster
09-30-2007, 12:25 PM
As far as imperialism and our intentions - you might want to go back and read the PNAC papers - this has nothing to do with rapture or winning anything - its a plan that has been in place for years and is being played out right in front of you - with a global leader the ultimate goal

disrupter
09-30-2007, 01:19 PM
It must be Iran that invaded Iraq & caused an additional 1,000,000 unnecessary dead iraqis? Looking for wmds, democracy & only finding chaos in a desert.

Q: Why is it on the US budget then? [actually NOT on the budget, but off budget, much as Enron had offshore entities to cover up fraud and . . . . oh hell, you know what i mean.]

roxy
09-30-2007, 07:11 PM
If only Monica had a chipped tooth, As commander and chief Bill could have gotten a Purple Heart for being wounded in action.

roxy
09-30-2007, 07:12 PM
Clintons exec. Order allowing His biggest contributor (the head of Loral Corp.) To give the RED Chinese the latest missile guidance technology and Super Computers will come back to haunt us someday and make this Iraq thing look like child’s play.

roxy
09-30-2007, 07:14 PM
After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured
1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted
down and punished.
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After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military
personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
and punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19
and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those
responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and
injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible! Would be hunted
down and punished.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39
U.S. sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted
down and punished.

Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 3,000 people in New
York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be alive today.

And, now that Bush is taking action to bring these people to justice, we
have opponents charging him with being a war monger...

roxy
09-30-2007, 07:16 PM
It is a strange turn of events. Hillary gets $8 Million for her book Bill gets about $12 Million for his memoir. This from two people who have spent 8 years being unable to recall anything about past events while under oath!

Linkster
09-30-2007, 07:35 PM
roxy - dont mind you posting all you like on the Clintons - and it looks like you have a lot to post about the issue - but could you please start your own thread to do it instead of throwing it into every other thread - or I will be forced to delete the posts

roxy
09-30-2007, 08:03 PM
OK! Thanks for the warning

Smurf-Herder
09-30-2007, 09:39 PM
After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured
1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted
down and punished.
>
After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military
personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
and punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19
and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those
responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and
injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible! Would be hunted
down and punished.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39
U.S. sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted
down and punished.

Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 3,000 people in New
York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be alive today.

And, now that Bush is taking action to bring these people to justice, we
have opponents charging him with being a war monger...

The general public has a very short memory :(

Linkster
09-30-2007, 09:43 PM
And unfortunately we arent bringing these people to justice any faster now then we were then - we still have at least 60 countries out there with at least one terrorist Al Qaeda cell active - and a bunch of them are our "friends" like Saudi and Pakistan - so in my judgement not only did Clinton fail so did Bush 1, Reagan and Bush 2 as they all had this problem while they were president

Smurf-Herder
09-30-2007, 09:44 PM
I dont buy the nukes going to the middle east argument - the carriers, submarines and destroyers already have plenty of them and there would be no reason tosend any more on a B52 ...

My thoughts on this are, we can't use nukes; unless we're retaliating against an actual nuclear attack. There's no need to pollute all the oil facilities in the region with fallout. That's why we have the new MOP (Deep Penetrator version of the MOAB) outfitted for the B-2s.

Smurf-Herder
09-30-2007, 09:47 PM
And unfortunately we arent bringing these people to justice any faster now then we were then - we still have at least 60 countries out there with at least one terrorist Al Qaeda cell active - and a bunch of them are our "friends" like Saudi and Pakistan - so in my judgement not only did Clinton fail so did Bush 1, Reagan and Bush 2 as they all had this problem while they were president

Al-Qaeda didn't exist until after the Gulf War. Around 1992-1993. The Saudis inviting us in triggered Osama to start Al-Qaeda; and it took them a little while to get organized.

Linkster
09-30-2007, 09:55 PM
I was under the impression they started in Russia when the US was using them to help destabalize Russias support for Iran during the Iran Iraq war around 1988 or so - before that I believe it was the al-Khadamat - and bin Laden just became their leader after he had been boosted up by the US by the CIA for his help.