Dumbest NY Times quote of the week

[radioguy]

This is the dumbest thing I've heard out of a liberal columnist all week:

I will not vote for any candidate who is not committed to dismantling Guantánamo Bay and replacing it with a free field hospital for poor Cubans.

The dismantling of GITMO statement was bad enough, but to turn it into a Cuban "Free clinic" is just idiotic. First, why should we foot the bill for Castro's people, when guys like Friedman are the ones who complain about how much money the US is already spending, and how big the deficit is? Second, doesn't that contradict the propaganda that the far left has been spouting? I thought according to liberals like him and the Hollywood fat boy, Cuba had one of the best socialized medical programs in the world? You know, the one that "Sicko" claims is a model for what we should have here in the US. Well if it's so good, then why would the poor people of Cuba need our free-bees?

Leave it to a NY Times liberal like Friedman, to spout such far left nonsense.

[asroc]

This is the dumbest thing I've heard out of a liberal columnist all week:



The dismantling of GITMO statement was bad enough, but to turn it into a Cuban "Free clinic" is just idiotic. First, why should we foot the bill for Castro's people, when guys like Friedman are the ones who complain about how much money the US is already spending, and how big the deficit is? Second, doesn't that contradict the propaganda that the far left has been spouting? I thought according to liberals like him and the Hollywood fat boy, Cuba had one of the best socialized medical programs in the world? You know, the one that "Sicko" claims is a model for what we should have here in the US. Well if it's so good, then why would the poor people of Cuba need our free-bees?

Leave it to a NY Times liberal like Friedman, to spout such far left nonsense.

Funny, I always thought Friedman was a conservative. He's totally into the idea of free markets and globalization solving the world's ills, and he defended the Iraq War for the first year or two.

[Linkster]

He is pretty much a conservative - he was responding and trying to take a jab at Rudy - who he hates with a passion for trying to benefit off of 911

[radioguy]

He is pretty much a conservative - he was responding and trying to take a jab at Rudy - who he hates with a passion for trying to benefit off of 911

Are you joking?

Thomas Friedman is as much a conservative, as I am a liberal.

[Linkster]

I only have his editorals to base my opinion on - as I dont really follow him personally - I always considered him leaning to the conservative side - maybe Im missing something

[disrupter]

Wow, we feel compelled to interpret people along a single chasm dividing line?

People who can't handle more than two discrete, simplistic, not-even well defined categories, i have to called stupid.

I would call the attempt to hammer everyone into one of two molds evolution's revenge on arrogant species, claiming intelligence it doesn't have.

I would expect this kind of stupidity from the far right who have rejected rational, scientific & logical thinking in favor of emotional melodrama & fantasy,
but i would hope thinking people would resist it except in the cases where it is for all practical purposes true.

Obviously not spacial thinking with multiple gradient dimensions with sometimes subtle but sometimes important distinctions.

Humanity is not ready for the Universe.

[Bobs.Lil.Girl]

Wow, we feel compelled to interpret people along a single chasm dividing line?

People who can't handle more than two discrete, simplistic, not-even well defined categories, i have to called stupid.

I would call the attempt to hammer everyone into one of two molds evolution's revenge on arrogant species, claiming intelligence it doesn't have.

I would expect this kind of stupidity from the far right who have rejected rational, scientific & logical thinking in favor of emotional melodrama & fantasy,
but i would hope thinking people would resist it except in the cases where it is for all practical purposes true.

Obviously not spacial thinking with multiple gradient dimensions with sometimes subtle but sometimes important distinctions.

Humanity is not ready for the Universe.

Yes indeed!

:thumbsup:

[Smurf-Herder]

Wow, we feel compelled to interpret people along a single chasm dividing line?

People who can't handle more than two discrete, simplistic, not-even well defined categories, i have to called stupid.

I would call the attempt to hammer everyone into one of two molds evolution's revenge on arrogant species, claiming intelligence it doesn't have.



:disbelief: But you've done exactly that yourself, to people who believe anything you disagree with.

[disrupter]

The previso i make is between complete garbage thinking, & that which has at least salvageable elements AND

Also whether that is being used as an assault or weapon or is being presented as a rational, dispassionate, unheated mapping of reality & its mechanisms.

When someone is offensively launching predominant garbage at me,
or destroying or threatening my home with it i will reflexively defend me & mine.

Have you ever layed out a discourse that is dispassionately presented?
Challenging people to find [any] rational flaws with it? If so i may have missed it.

Some people scream, 'war on terrorism', 'islamofascism', 'patriotism', 'traitor mindlessly or maliciously, how do i have any other choice than to throw them back at them, especially as the evidence is exposed indicating it to be true?

Do you have a rational explanation for your views & are you open to them being examined & potentially deconstructed/reassembled?
Can you let go of them long enough to have others play around with them?
Or are you too emotionally tied-up/attached to them?

Or are we forced to accept a package of ideas without challenge or examination? If so you are asking us to accept the mystical & not the rational.

Can you present your ideas with a child like openness or are we supposed to give them some prerequisite 'respect' & dare not challenge them?

We are all children of the Universe.
Some children have more experience than others, especially over specified fields.
Adulthood is most often seen as some category of having 'arrived' at some terminal demarcation.
Death is terminal. Life is non-terminal.

My positions are always subject to re-evaluation, until i am dead.
Are yours?

Are you talking to my intellect or stabbing & grabbing at my emotions?
If you are stabbing & grabbing I will respond reciprocally,
If you present intellectual ideas that are open to re-construction alternatives i can chill relatively quickly & we can at least try to pre-think the universe.
While technically in the absolute sense it is impossible, but probabalistically it has reasonable odds of success.

[Smurf-Herder]

The previso i make is between complete garbage thinking, & that which has at least salvageable elements AND

Also whether that is being used as an assault or weapon or is being presented as a rational, dispassionate, unheated mapping of reality & its mechanisms.

When someone is offensively launching predominant garbage at me,
or destroying or threatening my home with it i will reflexively defend me & mine.

Have you ever layed out a discourse that is dispassionately presented?
Challenging people to find [any] rational flaws with it? If so i may have missed it.

Some people scream, 'war on terrorism', 'islamofascism', 'patriotism', 'traitor mindlessly or maliciously, how do i have any other choice than to throw them back at them, especially as the evidence is exposed indicating it to be true?

Do you have a rational explanation for your views & are you open to them being examined & potentially deconstructed/reassembled?
Can you let go of them long enough to have others play around with them?
Or are you too emotionally tied-up/attached to them?

Or are we forced to accept a package of ideas without challenge or examination? If so you are asking us to accept the mystical & not the rational.

Can you present your ideas with a child like openness or are we supposed to give them some prerequisite 'respect' & dare not challenge them?

We are all children of the Universe.
Some children have more experience than others, especially over specified fields.
Adulthood is most often seen as some category of having 'arrived' at some terminal demarcation.
Death is terminal. Life is non-terminal.

My positions are always subject to re-evaluation, until i am dead.
Are yours?

Are you talking to my intellect or stabbing & grabbing at my emotions?
If you are stabbing & grabbing I will respond reciprocally,
If you present intellectual ideas that are open to re-construction alternatives i can chill relatively quickly & we can at least try to pre-think the universe.
While technically in the absolute sense it is impossible, but probabalistically it has reasonable odds of success.


:saywhat:

You kinda sound like one of those whacked-out cult leaders, with your extensive explanation of your world view.

[disrupter]

well at least my world view is 'explainable'.

too bad for yours.

[Smurf-Herder]

well at least my world view is 'explainable'.

too bad for yours.

Only because you can't understand it through your tunnel vision.

[disrupter]

my expansive 'tunnel' vision?

hmmm, dang if only you had ACTUALLY tried to 'splain' it.

Or are you just smart enough to know it is indefensible?

[Smurf-Herder]

my expansive 'tunnel' vision?

hmmm, dang if only you had ACTUALLY tried to 'splain' it.

Or are you just smart enough to know it is indefensible?

explain what?

Everything I've posted is self explanitory.

Are you just dragging me along so you can get the attention you crave?

[disrupter]

explainable?

'I am a libertarian?'

hmm, remember that one, lol.

you're a comedian, now i understand.
just hear to bring levity to other people's lives, how generous of you.

[Smurf-Herder]

explainable?

'I am a libertarian?'

hmm, remember that one, lol.

you're a comedian, now i understand.
just hear to bring levity to other people's lives, how generous of you.

I explained that extensively.

You spend your life grasping at straws.

[disrupter]

explained?

you mean tap danced all around it as you were more & more embarrassed by exposure of your deception?

or was it self-delusion & you are just another crazy, brain challenged neoconman?

[Smurf-Herder]

explained?

you mean tap danced all around it as you were more & more embarrassed by exposure of your deception?

or was it self-delusion & you are just another crazy, brain challenged neoconman?

Shove it up Paris Hilton's ass.

[disrupter]

You mean Paris Hilton Bush & the neocons were so committed to giving a tax cut?

You will have to tell me about shoving it up Paris's ass.
I can't afford those high priced hookers.

Im not on the government's multimillion dollar disinformation payroll.

[Jennifer]

Uh, why would we buy a free medical clinic for Cubans when they have Universal Health Care! All their medical clinics are free!!!

Anyway, dismantling GITMO would be stupid. If anything we should ensure their socialist leaders are removed from power so that the island can be re-privatized and restored to the tropical paradise and luxury vacation spot it once was.