Democratic Candidates in 2008

[Mr. Blue]

Have they learned their lesson yet? I'm not entirely sure they have and if they don't before the primaries we'll end up with another Republican as President. The problem is the Democrats keeps nominating the most liberal candidates possible instead of nominating a more centrist candidate like Bill Clinton.

Yes, yes, I know, Bill Clinton sure got labelled a liberal enough, but he actually never ran on a liberal platform. Fiscally conservative, he ran in the middle, he was accepted by the southern states, and he basically a good electable candidate.

Gore? Kerry? The personality brothers were probably the single worst picks for the Democratic party, yet they got the nod, and they lost. Now honestly, why on Earth would it be a close election against Bush?

The Democrats could have had landslide victories against Bush, but instead they have two losses because they picked too liberal of a candidate. They need to shut Ted Kennedy up, they need to find a candidate that will be palatable to the majority.

So who's looking like possible candidates for 2008? Kerry :disbelief: Hillary :disbelief: maybe Gore? lol, if they don't wise up quick expect another 4 years with a Republican President.

[Bill]

How about ole cut-n-run jack Murtha?

[Mr. Blue]

lol, well...ummm....I don't think he'd get the job done. Really Bush was a weak candidate, the fact that the dem's couldn't win against him doesn't exactly inspire confidence that the next Republican candidate, which by default will be better than Bush, can lose against the candidates that the Dem's will put up.

[Bill]

Well, I can't think of the names of any other democrats, so it looks like it's gotta be Hillary then. Or some unknown.

The only good thing I can think of for Murtha is at least he stood up for something.

Fortunately it doesn't matter who the democrats put up, Jeb will win easily.

[Mr. Blue]

Grabbed this list off of Wikipedia...nothing here really inspires me much:

Hillary Clinton
John Edwards
John Kerry
Russ Feingold
Bill Richardson
Joseph Biden
Evan Bayh
Mark Warner

John Edwards would probably be the most viable option of the group, but I don't think he'll win the nomination

[Kinky Jones]

i think it should be Edwards for pres and Hil spending one term as veep... or Joe Biden, he seems to be a Clinton type thinker

[Mr. Blue]

i think it should be Edwards for pres and Hil spending one term as veep... or Joe Biden, he seems to be a Clinton type thinker

Edwards could probably win, but I'm almost positive he's not going to get the nomination. People just don't participate in the primaries, it's one of the reasons for the past few elections we've gotten the "extreme" from both parties. There are middle of the road republicans, but they stand the same chance as the middle of the road democrats getting the nomination.

It's just too bad more people don't participate in the political process instead of waiting for someone else to elect a President / nominee that they can complain about from the comfort of their armchair.

[Tommy]

I think Hillary is gonna kill the republicans

I believe most women will vote for her just because shes a woman
and of course her Hubby still has a lot of fans
and a lot of people on the left are outraged at the way things have gone

faith based Initiatives at all that garbage

its about time someone else leads this country besides some old gray haired white man

[Mr. Blue]

Hillary will all the New England states and that's about it. She won't play well in the south.

[Tommy]

you really belive that southeren women will vote for MCCain rather then hillary

thats what they might tell their husbands in the pick up truck when driving to vote

but once those curtins close....

dont forget Kerry only lost by 3 million votes
thats not a lot, and Kerry was an idiot

[Mr. Blue]

You think McCain will be the Republican choice? I don't think the party is going to nominate him, just like they won't nominate Giuliani either...they both don't fit the Neo-con way (eventhough McCain is trying to swallow as hard as he can now to get accepted). The Reps are hurting for good candidates as well and they do the same thing the dem's do, they only nominate someone that's in the ass pocket of the party.

Kerry only lost by 3 million votes and I agree he was an idiot...but my god look at the idiot he lost to...that's the thing, Bush should have easily, hands down, been defeated in both elections...but...well...you know.

[Tommy]

but Bush had really good people working for him

you have to admit Bush, Cheney and Rove took election politics to the next level

some of the PR stuff you see coming out of the republician party is just genius

Like for instance the solgan
Cut and Run

and the jesus Freaks really came out and voted
I wouldnt be surprised if the Bible thumpers put Mike Pence
up for the republician ticket
http://mikepence.house.gov/

[Mr. Blue]

Rove is just genius...I don't care what people say about him, if I were running for President the first person I would call would be Rove.

The Jesus nuts will come out again...I can't believe the election swayed in some states on the issue of gay marriage. :talktothehand: They managed to completely avoid big issues and narrowly focused on what I consider a small issue, but it mobilized the Jesus nuts and that was enough.

If the Dem's want to win they also have to change their message. Their main message of 2004 was, "Bush Sucks" which is true, lol, but it's not a platform that's going to motivate people to vote. They need to come up with a vision, with a platform, something other than looking back and criticizing.

People want to be lead, they want a strong message, they want someone to take control. Look throughout history, it's not always the best person that leads, it's almost always the person that has the strongest message, whether that message was right or wrong doesn't matter, because people are basically sheep.

[Bill]

Democrats are sheep. Republicans have a vision for a better, cleaner America.

[Mr. Blue]

lol, well Republicans may paint a false message though...but still it's more appealing than no message. People are that easily lead and they want someone with a focus...even if the focus is part myth and fairy-tale.

[SirMoby]

lol, well...ummm....I don't think he'd get the job done. Really Bush was a weak candidate, the fact that the dem's couldn't win against him doesn't exactly inspire confidence that the next Republican candidate, which by default will be better than Bush, can lose against the candidates that the Dem's will put up.
Actually in 2000 the popular vote was won by Gore. Dubya was actually appointed after it was determined that none of the voting districts controlled by his brother counted votes accurately.


At the moment I don't see any strong candidates for either side although I think Biden and McCain would be the ones most likely to get my vote.

[Mr. Blue]

Actually in 2000 the popular vote was won by Gore. Dubya was actually appointed after it was determined that none of the voting districts controlled by his brother counted votes accurately.


At the moment I don't see any strong candidates for either side although I think Biden and McCain would be the ones most likely to get my vote.

Seriously though, should it have even come down to a few votes in one county? It amazes me that it was even close in both elections. Bush was a lightweight, granted with good people behind him, but still a lightweight.

My opinion the last two elections it was clearly the Democrats dropping the ball against an easy candidate. The next election they won't have as easy of a candidate as Bush and they have to put their best foot forward, but I have a feeling they're not.

[Kinky Jones]

Seriously though, should it have even come down to a few votes in one county?

in a sane world the person who got the most votes by american citizens should win every time...

[Mr. Blue]

in a sane world the person who got the most votes by american citizens should win every time...

Actually, I don't entirely agree that the U.S. should move to a popular vote. The electoral college keeps a certain balance in how candidates have to address the whole country and not just highly popluated areas. If it moved to a popular vote you'd have candidates only targeting highly populated areas and the concerns of smaller states, less populated, would take a backseat to say New York, California, Texas, etc.

The founding fathers were pretty damn smart and the importance of state rights should be maintained.

With that said, Gore should have STOMPED Bush, but he didn't. In fact, Gore and Kerry are probably two of the most lack-luster, boring dullards that ever ran for President.

Bill Clinton, whatever people say about him, Clinton was dynamic. Even if you hated Clinton, you still could recognize that he was a strong personality and that's why he got game when it comes to getting elected.

Some very weak candidates on both sides are coming and the Democrats have to get a message and have to pick someone that has a broader appeal.