Iran disinformation on new missile

[Smurf-Herder]

Iran shows off new missile, taunts Israel
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hlmNUjNrjKFWAywDdKXRBTfg7RLg

On the new "Ghadr" missile:

"Iran on Saturday showed off a longer-range missile in public for the first time and proclaimed a string of anti-Israel slogans in a major military parade amid mounting tensions with the West.

The official announcer at the parade told reporters the weapon had a range of 1,800 kilometres (1,100 miles), sufficient to put US bases in the Middle East and Iran's arch enemy Israel within reach."

Yet:

"Officials have said in the past that the Shahab-3 could reach 2,000 kilometres (1,250 miles), but the announcer said it had a 1,300-kilometre (800-mile) range."

All of a sudden, after two years of boasting they increased their Sahab-3 missiles' range to 2,000 km, they're now stating it's range was what it was originally, back in 2003, when first deployed; so the newer, longer-range missile only has a range of 1,800 km. Instead of the 2,500-3,000 km range originally attributed to the new design:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghadr-110

"It is believed the missile will have a range between 2,500 and 3,000 km, wich means it could hit targets as far as Western-Europe.

The Ghadr-110 was essentially an improved version of the Shahab-3A, also known as the Ghadr-101. It is believed to have a liquid-fuel first stage and a solid-fuel second stage, which allowes it to have a range of 2,500 to 3,000 km."


Apparently they want their being able to target all of Europe from Syria to be a surprise.

[Bill]

Apparently they want their being able to target all of Europe from Syria to be a surprise.

So, you're saying what, that Iran is planning on launching an attack on europe?

That would be pretty funny. I'd love to see that.

[Smurf-Herder]

So, you're saying what, that Iran is planning on launching an attack on europe?

That would be pretty funny. I'd love to see that.

They want the ability to. And it looks like they can beat us on building BMD sites - because that's exactly what they're being built for.

NOTE:

The ultimate goal of "The Twelvers" is to create the scenario for the return of the Imam Mahdi at Najef, Iraq - to lead all of Islam in destroying the Jews and to conquer and convert the Romans (The West). The sect in power believes they can force his return, by creating global war and chaos.

Look it up.

[Independent Harry]

have you even seen what has to happen to the Jews to have their biblical prophesies to come true. It all ends the same way, either the Jews kill everyone, and assume their rightful place as rulers of the world, or Islam kills everyone and assumes their place as the rightful ruler of the world. Sounds like a couple of crackpot religions if you ask me...

[Linkster]

The ultimate goal of "The Twelvers" is to create the scenario for the return of the Imam Mahdi at Najef, Iraq - to lead all of Islam in destroying the Jews and to conquer and convert the Romans (The West). .

So we've got a guy that believes in the return of their prophet and we've got a president attempting to bring back some guy named jesus and they are at odds with each other - golly - I guess Nostradamus was correct when he predicted that a antichrist being would appear taking over a country in the middle east (Bush) and lead the world into armageddon - thank goodness we've only got 4 more years with this planet anyway

[Smurf-Herder]

have you even seen what has to happen to the Jews to have their biblical prophesies to come true. It all ends the same way, either the Jews kill everyone, and assume their rightful place as rulers of the world, or Islam kills everyone and assumes their place as the rightful ruler of the world. Sounds like a couple of crackpot religions if you ask me...

It's not the same thing.

In Judeo-Christian beliefs, God sends his Messiah to destroy all evil with spritual forces, to bring heaven to earth. In Islam, their last prohet returns, as a flesh and blood man, to lead physical armies, to destroy two other religious belief systems, specifically. And the extremists believe they can speed up the process.

[Smurf-Herder]

So we've got a guy that believes in the return of their prophet and we've got a president attempting to bring back some guy named jesus and they are at odds with each other - golly - I guess Nostradamus was correct when he predicted that a antichrist being would appear taking over a country in the middle east (Bush) and lead the world into armageddon - thank goodness we've only got 4 more years with this planet anyway

You're totally mischaracterizing, comparing the two.

And if you actually read Nostradamus, Mabus is supposed to be a moslem.

[Linkster]

How am I mischaracterizing anyone - Bush has already stated on the record that god talked to him and told him to invade the middle east - specifically Iraq to start with - and has given many speeches to the fundie christians stating he believes in their view of things
And Im not positive but I believe that the president of Iran (although he has no power in Iran being just a figure head) has also said he believes in the return of the prophet
Next - WTF does Mabus (Mad Bush) have to do with being muslim - I would like to see the quatrain that says anything about him being a specific religion - Ill give you a hint - he's only mentioned in century2 verse 62

[Bill]

They want the ability to.

The ultimate goal of "The Twelvers" is to create the scenario for the return of the Imam Mahdi at Najef, Iraq - to lead all of Islam in destroying the Jews and to conquer and convert the Romans (The West). The sect in power believes they can force his return, by creating global war and chaos.

Look it up.

Why do they want the ability to? What good would it do for them?

I gather there are christian sects that want the end of the world to come in this lifetime. There are religious people who want things everywhere.

[Bill]

Oh yeah - and how do you feel about the fact that we've just given Iraq to the shia and Iran?

[Independent Harry]

It's not the same thing.

In Judeo-Christian beliefs, God sends his Messiah to destroy all evil with spritual forces, to bring heaven to earth. In Islam, their last prohet returns, as a flesh and blood man, to lead physical armies, to destroy two other religious belief systems, specifically. And the extremists believe they can speed up the process.

According to Jewish tradition, the end of the world will see:

Ingathering of the scattered Jewish exiles to geographic Israel,
Defeat of all of Israel's enemies,
Building of the third Jewish Temple in Jerusalem and the resumption of the sacrificial offerings and Temple service,
Revival of the Dead (techiat hameitim), or the Resurrection,
At some point, the Jewish Messiah who will become the anointed King of Israel. He will divide the Jews in Israel into their original tribal portions in the land. During this time Gog, king of Magog, will attack Israel. Who Gog and the Magog nation are is unknown. Magog will fight a great battle, in which many will die on both sides, but God will intervene and save the Jews. This is the battle referred to as Armageddon. God, having vanquished this final enemy once and for all, will accordingly banish all evil from human existence. After the year 6000 (in the Jewish calendar), the seventh millennium will be an era of holiness, tranquility, spiritual life, and worldwide peace, called the Olam Haba ("Future World"), where all people will know God directly. The Jewish holiday of Rosh Hashanah has many identical aspects to the Islamic belief in Qiyamah, such as the title of, "Day of the sounding of the Shofar".

Sounds like an oh so peaceful time. Just like Islam, everyone will convert to Judaism or die at the end of days. What's the difference...

[Linkster]

So we've got approx 230 years to get this "battle referred to as Armageddon" and the aftermath over with before we can even start the 7th millenium - and no one has even started building that temple yet - damned - we're running out of time

[Smurf-Herder]

According to Jewish tradition, the end of the world will see:

Ingathering of the scattered Jewish exiles to geographic Israel,
Defeat of all of Israel's enemies,
Building of the third Jewish Temple in Jerusalem and the resumption of the sacrificial offerings and Temple service,
Revival of the Dead (techiat hameitim), or the Resurrection,
At some point, the Jewish Messiah who will become the anointed King of Israel. He will divide the Jews in Israel into their original tribal portions in the land. During this time Gog, king of Magog, will attack Israel. Who Gog and the Magog nation are is unknown. Magog will fight a great battle, in which many will die on both sides, but God will intervene and save the Jews. This is the battle referred to as Armageddon. God, having vanquished this final enemy once and for all, will accordingly banish all evil from human existence. After the year 6000 (in the Jewish calendar), the seventh millennium will be an era of holiness, tranquility, spiritual life, and worldwide peace, called the Olam Haba ("Future World"), where all people will know God directly. The Jewish holiday of Rosh Hashanah has many identical aspects to the Islamic belief in Qiyamah, such as the title of, "Day of the sounding of the Shofar".

Sounds like an oh so peaceful time. Just like Islam, everyone will convert to Judaism or die at the end of days. What's the difference...

Part of what you wrote concerns what Christians refer to as Israel living under the protection of a phony peace deal with the Antichrist, until he turns on them and starts world conquest - until he's destroyed by Chist himself returning in a miraculous way, with the resurrected dead. The decendents of Gog in the Old Testament are a people who settled North of Israel - understood to be Russia, btw.

Islam states their last prophet (Imam Madhi) will return, as a mortal man, with Jesus as one of their prophets (not the Son of God); and they will rise to power, not return miraculously. The Jews have it slightly different from the Christians. But the Islamic prophecies talk specifically of the Madhi raising armies for physical conquest and their Christ overseeing the conquered Christian nations. In fact the Moslem Last Prophet and their version of Jesus Christ seem to describe the Christain False Prophet and Antichrist. All who don't accept Islam will be beheaded in their prophecies - as will all who don't accept the Antichrist in the Bible.

[Linkster]

I wonder if we could get all those believers on all sides to agree to go to a specific place (maybe some desert in Siberia) and let them blow each other away - and the intelligent part of society can just go on living without having the idiots who pin their fears and morals on these invisilble imaginary friends have made up mucking things up. What a nice place to live it would be after that

[Smurf-Herder]

The point is, missiles deployed in other countries gives Iran a greater range. And longer range missiles makes it even more dangerous.

Iran Establishes Missile Defense Shield in Syria
http://www.nysun.com/article/57236

"Besides shipping the weapons, Iran has also sent missile engineers to help to train the Syrian military and Hezbollah, the Lebanese Shiite Muslim group with which Israel fought last year's war.

In addition, Iran is reported to have made similar arrangements with the Sudanese government to enable it to attack pro-Western Arab countries, such as Saudi Arabia."

There are reports of them making deals for putting cruise missiles in Tunisia, that can reach Spain and Italy. Effectively giving them the same missile coverage over the Med that they already have for the Gulf.

[Linkster]

good deal - Im watching this with interest - its a good thing to have mutual assured destruction capability if you want to compete in the "global neighborhood" these days - thats why Im glad So Africa has nukes too

[Bill]

MAD only works when both sides have capacity.

Poor smurfy doesn't know much about war.

But he's real scared. Iranians are gonna shoot a missile at him.

[Smurf-Herder]

MAD only works when both sides have capacity.

Poor smurfy doesn't know much about war.

But he's real scared. Iranians are gonna shoot a missile at him.


Hey, I got a new one for you.

MAD doesn't work when one side is ruled by religious extremists, who espouse an ideology of martyrdom; who want to hasten their apocalypse, so their religion can take over the world. Their goal is in lighting the match, that will unite all moslems against the West and bring the return of their Madhi.

[radioguy]

have you even seen what has to happen to the Jews to have their biblical prophesies to come true. It all ends the same way, either the Jews kill everyone, and assume their rightful place as rulers of the world, or Islam kills everyone and assumes their place as the rightful ruler of the world. Sounds like a couple of crackpot religions if you ask me...

The difference is Harry, Muslims are actively pursuing their goal of taking over the world, where the Jews are not. The Jews in Israel just want to be left alone, but the Palestinians will have nothing to do with that.

[Smurf-Herder]

The difference is Harry, Muslims are actively pursuing their goal of taking over the world, where the Jews are not. The Jews in Israel just want to be left alone, but the Palestinians will have nothing to do with that.

Not only that, but external players use the Palestinians; disrupting any peace discussions in progress, whenever they can. Palestine is nothing more than a political issue and a front line against Israel, for countries like Iran and Syria.

[Smurf-Herder]

good deal - Im watching this with interest - its a good thing to have mutual assured destruction capability if you want to compete in the "global neighborhood" these days - thats why Im glad So Africa has nukes too

I thought South Africa disarmed.

(BTW, who would SA have for a nuclear enemy, anyway?)

[Linkster]

I thought South Africa disarmed
Yeah and Israel has never admitted they have nukes either - so I guess we just have to go with the best intel we have - which according to Bush is that So Africa was providing Saddam with processed uranium - sounds to me like they have everything in place and have tested one before

MAD doesn't work when one side is ruled by religious extremists, who espouse an ideology of martyrdom; who want to hasten their apocalypse, so their religion can take over the world. Their goal is in lighting the match, that will unite all moslems against the West and bring the return of their Madhi

Dont we know it - but try telling that to the fundie christians in the white house - maybe you can talk some sense into them that their martyrdom push wont work and will just end up destroying the world - but I doubt if Bush will listen

[Smurf-Herder]

MAD doesn't work when one side is ruled by religious extremists, who espouse an ideology of martyrdom; who want to hasten their apocalypse, so their religion can take over the world. Their goal is in lighting the match, that will unite all moslems against the West and bring the return of their Madhi

Dont we know it - but try telling that to the fundie christians in the white house - maybe you can talk some sense into them that their martyrdom push wont work and will just end up destroying the world - but I doubt if Bush will listen

You know it's not the same thing.