Oh, Come On, Why Can't Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Visit the World Trade Center Site?

[Politicz]

I mean really, isn't he charming enough-just a regular all around guy. Ahmadinejad is a state sponsor of terrorism, giving devout support to the Lebanese terrorist group, Hezbollah, and Shiite Muslim Militants in Iraq. And, he's even in the process of making a man-made sun with his uranium enrichment program, which he has stated time and again is a house warming gift for Israel.

Well, enough of the sarcasim-why in the fuck is Ahmadinejad even being aloud to enter the United States to speak anywhere? Is the Bush administration's war on terrorism a joke or what? This is like saying, "o.k., so a few Al-Quada terrorists destroyed our Trade Centers-but, we're going to let them come to the U.S. and speak at the U.N., because Columbia University students want to hear what they have to say. Therefore, we'll disregard the war on terrorism until they are finished at the U.N., and leave the country."

If Ahmadinejad is a state sponsor of terrorism, and he sets foot in the U.S., how come he's not being arrested? Why is the Bush administration acting like stunned deer in front of a mack truck's headlights? Is there really a war on terrorism, or have the American people just been duped?:disbelief: ,:o

[Linkster]

To answer your last question first - yes when it comes to Iran
First off - this guy wasnt even the president (or a gleem in the eyes of the party) in 2001 - he took office in 2005
Second - Iran was one of the first to extend a hand and publicly denounce the terrorists on 911
Third - Iran has nothing whatsoever to do with Al Qaeda - the only terror ties for sure that we know about are the terrorists the US is sponsoring inside Iran to try to destabalize one sect that is helping the Shia in Iraq - again not Al Qaeda - it is a US backed terror group
Fourth - unfortunately - people in the US never seem to fact-check things like translations of speeches - the talk about "wiping Israel off the map" was a total BS story and was not the correct translation - it just got picked up on by the AIPAC run MSM in the US and run with
Fifth - Ahmadinejad - is not a very popular president - very similar to Bush - and has very little if any power in Iran - the only reason they chose him during the election was it was the better of two choices :) The party that actually runs the governement (very similar to England with its parliment and queen) is very anti-terrorism - which is why when we went into Afghanistan, they provided us with the most help of any country in defeating the Taliban.
Last - but not least - having the guy come to the US and open a dialogue with reciprocal allowance of nuclear site checking and opening a line of diplomacy since most in power in Iraq right now are of the same religious sect, would be the smartest thing to do - we know that the US will never allow it but it sure would be the best thing in the long run for our interests in the area

[Bill]

That's for the people of New York to decide.

[Linkster]

Bill - kinda ironic that the state department and heads of foreign relations cant decide that issue - of course that assumes they know what they are doing

[Bill]

I kinda figured the state department was out of the loop.

And like you said, the Iranian presidency is a ceremonial position, he doesn't have much real power.

Since we're preparing to attack Iraq what would the state dept have to say?

"We're planning a massive military strike against you - it's all hush hush - just don't try to hide your military assets, okay?".

[Linkster]

Did you mean attack Iran maybe? :)

[Bill]

Did you mean attack Iran maybe? :)

Oh yeah --- my turn. ha!

[moonman]

I have no problem with Ahmadinejad speaking at Columbia. A place of higher learning where all views should be heard is appropriate. The U.N. is not only an appropriate venue but a venue whereat Ahmadinejad has a right to speak and be heard.

Laying a wreath at WTC? Well, it is incredibly poor taste. I wouldn't be surprised if he's killed or at least attacked by angry New Yorkers. NYPD has taken the right approach by telling him he's on his own. Having said that, he's coming to lay a wreath and if I were to accept his sincerity, to pay his respects. That's the part I have so much trouble with. I doubt he's sincerely paying any respect to our innocent and fallen.

F-him and the horse he rode in on. maybe five years form now I could accpet an Iranian leader doing such an act. This is too soon. The memory too fresh and the wounds still smarting.

[Linkster]

I dont understand why there is such an uproar about a countrys' leader who wants to pay his respects - Im sure none of you remember the Iranian crowds of people who filled the squares in Iran with candlelight vigils after 911 - and even more Im sure that some of you are probably just falling for the wing nut talk about his being in league with some terrorist group somewhere(Im sure there will be some group mentioned) - I have a lot of respect for anyone that wants to pay respects to dead people anywhere.
The fact that there is even any talk about this proves that the propaganda machine works as well as it is supposed to and the wingnuts have won this round

[Jesse Hemingway]

Ahmadinejad said he wanted to talk about the root cause about 9/11 I wonder what that means? maybe the truth about the bush family and the bin laden family?

Ahmadinejad could not say any thing as Revolting ,sickening ,disgusting, ,nauseating, ,repulsive, ,filthy, ,sordid. As this bag of CHT: http://www.joplinindependent.com/display_article.php/jesse-h1159649228

[Politicz]

To answer your last question first - yes when it comes to Iran
First off - this guy wasnt even the president (or a gleem in the eyes of the party) in 2001 - he took office in 2005
Second - Iran was one of the first to extend a hand and publicly denounce the terrorists on 911
Third - Iran has nothing whatsoever to do with Al Qaeda - the only terror ties for sure that we know about are the terrorists the US is sponsoring inside Iran to try to destabalize one sect that is helping the Shia in Iraq - again not Al Qaeda - it is a US backed terror group
Fourth - unfortunately - people in the US never seem to fact-check things like translations of speeches - the talk about "wiping Israel off the map" was a total BS story and was not the correct translation - it just got picked up on by the AIPAC run MSM in the US and run with
Fifth - Ahmadinejad - is not a very popular president - very similar to Bush - and has very little if any power in Iran - the only reason they chose him during the election was it was the better of two choices :) The party that actually runs the governement (very similar to England with its parliment and queen) is very anti-terrorism - which is why when we went into Afghanistan, they provided us with the most help of any country in defeating the Taliban.
Last - but not least - having the guy come to the US and open a dialogue with reciprocal allowance of nuclear site checking and opening a line of diplomacy since most in power in Iraq right now are of the same religious sect, would be the smartest thing to do - we know that the US will never allow it but it sure would be the best thing in the long run for our interests in the area

I couldn't have said it better myself, great post.:thumbsup:

[moonman]

I dont understand why there is such an uproar about a countrys' leader who wants to pay his respects - Im sure none of you remember the Iranian crowds of people who filled the squares in Iran with candlelight vigils after 911 - and even more Im sure that some of you are probably just falling for the wing nut talk about his being in league with some terrorist group somewhere(Im sure there will be some group mentioned) - I have a lot of respect for anyone that wants to pay respects to dead people anywhere.
The fact that there is even any talk about this proves that the propaganda machine works as well as it is supposed to and the wingnuts have won this round

I doubt his sincerity Linkster. I'm not sure you can but thus far you have failed to alleviate those doubts.

[Politicz]

That's for the people of New York to decide.

The Port Authority for New York and New Jersey owns the trade center property, and is the only one that can grant Ahmadinejad permission to enter the trade center property. They've already stated they wouldn't allow Ahmadinejad to enter the trade center site, due to ongoing construction, not because he is a sponsor of state terrorism. All of the excuses concerning why Ahmadinejad cannot enter the Trade Center site are lame.

[Politicz]

I have no problem with Ahmadinejad speaking at Columbia. A place of higher learning where all views should be heard is appropriate. The U.N. is not only an appropriate venue but a venue whereat Ahmadinejad has a right to speak and be heard.

Laying a wreath at WTC? Well, it is incredibly poor taste. I wouldn't be surprised if he's killed or at least attacked by angry New Yorkers. NYPD has taken the right approach by telling him he's on his own. Having said that, he's coming to lay a wreath and if I were to accept his sincerity, to pay his respects. That's the part I have so much trouble with. I doubt he's sincerely paying any respect to our innocent and fallen.

F-him and the horse he rode in on. maybe five years form now I could accpet an Iranian leader doing such an act. This is too soon. The memory too fresh and the wounds still smarting.

Although Ahmadinejad had nothing to do with 911 that we know of, I still question his sincerety and concern about wanting to visit the Trade Center site. His request seem kinda left field and suspicious.

[Politicz]

Ahmadinejad said he wanted to talk about the root cause about 9/11 I wonder what that means? maybe the truth about the bush family and the bin laden family?

Ahmadinejad could not say any thing as Revolting ,sickening ,disgusting, ,nauseating, ,repulsive, ,filthy, ,sordid. As this bag of CHT: http://www.joplinindependent.com/display_article.php/jesse-h1159649228

The picture of Bush and the Saudi king kissing is stomach turning. And, every time Bush tries to make a war move on Ahmadinejad, the more suspicious and guilty he looks himself. I wonder what is in Iran that Bush is trying to bomb out of existence to keep everyone from knowing about it.:o

[Linkster]

Politicz - that would be the GE and Westinghouse labels on the nuclear reactors :)

[Jesse Hemingway]

The picture of Bush and the Saudi king kissing is stomach turning. And, every time Bush tries to make a war move on Ahmadinejad, the more suspicious and guilty he looks himself. I wonder what is in Iran that Bush is trying to bomb out of existence to keep everyone from knowing about it.:o
The rhetoric about Iran did not start to develop until after the mission accomplish speech by the Crack Head and Chief remember the speech about combat operation are over in Iraq speech. Right after that the rhetoric about the Iran nuclear program began to surge. Another premature ejaculation by the Crack Head and chief I wonder who is the real father of the twins is?

[Smurf-Herder]

Ya gotta know the wreath would really be for the hijackers.

[Jesse Hemingway]

Ya gotta know the wreath would really be for the hijackers.
Do you hate everyone bush tells you to hate?

[Smurf-Herder]

Do you hate everyone bush tells you to hate?


That's a pretty simple-minded way to look at it.

Everything in the world isn't about Bush.

[Jesse Hemingway]

That's a pretty simple-minded way to look at it.

Everything in the world isn't about Bush.

WTF, what has Iran done to you?

The United States has over-thrown Iraq for the barbaric actions and behavior of Saddam Hussein that was one of the many fraudulent reasons the Crack head and chief’s sold the dimwitted followers.

You need to look into history because the Shaw of Iran made Saddam look like a child when it came to butchery to it's own citizens.

Wake the F$KKK up bush will say anything to get his hands on Iraq’s and Iran’s oil he really is the type of person nobody would associate with you know he’s a real piece of CHT.

George W. Bush is an untreated drug addict and alcoholic by his own admission he will say anything do anything this mess in the middle east is his new DRUG of CHOICE. :p :p :p

Read this story about all the failures bush & cheney associate with:
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/09/22/never_doubt_that_a_small_group_of_though

[disrupter]

The Propaganda machine NEEDs to paint him as inhuman,
that way when they monstrously attack an unprovoking Iran hopefully no one will notice.

This would portray him as a caring human being.

What would AIPAC do?

I realize that people who lost loved ones at the WTC are very sensitive about these things & the NeoTraitors pander to their emotions. I hope some of them stand up & say they want to humanize foreigners & not arbitrarily alienate them.

I suspect the police & other security concerns are being overblown for a 30 minute, respectful visit to this site of tragedy by a somewhat antagonistic foreign leader.

A leader who had NOTHING to do with 911,
despite the slop that goes for human thinking here in the US [& around the globe too.]

Our willful alienation of Muslims can not help but come back to haunt us.
It shames us as the civilized, ethnic crossroads of the world.

Instead of being powerful giants,
we are lilliputians.