"Islam is Peace" Says President

[Moby]

WTF? Do you agree?

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you all very much for your hospitality. We've just had a -- wide-ranging discussions on the matter at hand. Like the good folks standing with me, the American people were appalled and outraged at last Tuesday's attacks. And so were Muslims all across the world. Both Americans and Muslim friends and citizens, tax-paying citizens, and Muslims in nations were just appalled and could not believe what we saw on our TV screens.

These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith. And it's important for my fellow Americans to understand that.

The English translation is not as eloquent as the original Arabic, but let me quote from the Koran, itself: In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil. For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule.

The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war.

When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace. And that's made brothers and sisters out of every race -- out of every race.

America counts millions of Muslims amongst our citizens, and Muslims make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country. Muslims are doctors, lawyers, law professors, members of the military, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, moms and dads. And they need to be treated with respect. In our anger and emotion, our fellow Americans must treat each other with respect.

Women who cover their heads in this country must feel comfortable going outside their homes. Moms who wear cover must be not intimidated in America. That's not the America I know. That's not the America I value.

I've been told that some fear to leave; some don't want to go shopping for their families; some don't want to go about their ordinary daily routines because, by wearing cover, they're afraid they'll be intimidated. That should not and that will not stand in America.

Those who feel like they can intimidate our fellow citizens to take out their anger don't represent the best of America, they represent the worst of humankind, and they should be ashamed of that kind of behavior.

This is a great country. It's a great country because we share the same values of respect and dignity and human worth. And it is my honor to be meeting with leaders who feel just the same way I do. They're outraged, they're sad. They love America just as much as I do.

I want to thank you all for giving me a chance to come by. And may God bless us all.

[MintJulep]

In a word -- no. At least, orthodox Islam is not peace.

W said the same thing. It was bullshit then, and it is bullshit now.

[Hawkeye2j]

In a word -- no. At least, orthodox Islam is not peace.

W said the same thing. It was bullshit then, and it is bullshit now.
No Minty your unmitigated hate is bullshit.

[Bill Cosby]

I would say the problem w/ that statement is the same that can be said about any faith........ The problem is some of the followers not the teachings.........

[dsolo802]

WTF? Do you agree?Yes. Islamic Fundamentalists are major trouble - but that is true of the fundamentalists of all religions certainly including Judaism and Christianity too.

There is a lot of hate preached in the name of Islam. But look at the US headlines over the past month and you will see Islamic leaders are not alone in this.

Many Christian leaders up until very recently preached that Jews had horns and "killed" Jesus, their Lord and Savior. For all I know, this is still being preached.

Man, and the will to power, is the problem - not religion as such. Fundamentalist Religious and secular leaders use religion to divide and subjugate the people.

[Bill Cosby]

No Minty your unmitigated hate is bullshit.

What does that have to do w/ the topic??

Pls express your opinion on the topic "Islam is peace" not your opinion of other posters...... THnX :thumbsup:

[Hawkeye2j]

What does that have to do w/ the topic??

Pls express your opinion on the topic "Islam is peace" not your opinion of other posters...... THnX :thumbsup:
Fuck this board. Every opinion has to be tiptoed around by moderators.
My opinion was on topic. She is preaching nothing but hate as a response. And that hate is what I responded to. Every other response or post has you monitoring it. You are making this board suck. I guess I need to find an alternative.

[2T]

He didn't say Othodox Islam, Mint.

as for whether he is right or wrong... like all religions, it's meaning is construed by the believers. I think that the majority of Muslims, like the majority of Christians want to live in peace and do not believe that their God calls them to kill. However, everyone will find the messages they look for...

[Bill Cosby]

Fuck this board. Every opinion has to be tiptoed around by moderators.
My opinion was on topic. She is preaching nothing but hate as a response. And that hate is what I responded to. Every other response or post has you monitoring it. You are making this board suck. I guess I need to find an alternative.


Sorry but your post failed to mention peace, Islam or even the President.......

I would hope you will read the sticky I posted............

You enjoy............ :D

[Hawkeye2j]

Sorry but your post failed to mention peace, Islam or even the President.......

I would hope you will read the sticky I posted............

You enjoy............ :D
Well I am done here. You need to understand you are going to lose more and more members when you overregulate.

[MintJulep]

He didn't say Othodox Islam, Mint.

as for whether he is right or wrong... like all religions, it's meaning is construed by the believers. I think that the majority of Muslims, like the majority of Christians want to live in peace and do not believe that their God calls them to kill. However, everyone will find the messages they look for...I think the Muslims we know are peaceful, as least the ones I've met seem to be. The religion itself, and the doctrine, doesn't seem peaceful to me. Sorry, but I'm just being honest. I could tell you I think Islam is a religion of peace, but I'd be lying.

[Trinnity]

As I mentioned on another post recently, an Imam on local radio out of Raleigh, said the last two translations (dating back to the 1800s?) of the Koran are militant and promoting violence against non-believers, and that traditional Imams don't teach from it. Don't know it that's true......just passing it along.
Also, many Muslims in the ME are illiterate and I have heard aren't even allowed to read it. They are told what they're told by the Imam.

This has all kinds of implications regarding the manipulation of followers.

[CosmicRocker]

One could have a theological discusion about the founding of Islam, I don't know -or care -enough about it, except I've "heard" the story about convert or die, infidels, etc.
So I can't really comment on "Islam is peace"
The only thing I know for sure is more ppl get killed, enslaved, go to war, etc. over religion more than anything else - even race relations.

Which tells me religious ppl don't always get the idea that their religion is worth nothing more than other's as it's soley their opinon they got God.

I really don't care what you believe -just don't shove it down my throat, or use it as an excuse to bomb got to war, discriminate etc.

We value seperation of church in the US - even if that doesn't alway happen, it is our foundation. So Obama is correct about that.

I have yet to see a true religion of peace ( even Buddist get caught up in it)
http://tkcollier.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/history-of-buddhist-violence/

I think we'd all be better off without religion, but then we'd find some other "truth" to fight over. Guaranteed.

[2T]

I think the Muslims we know are peaceful, as least the ones I've met seem to be. The religion itself, and the doctrine, doesn't seem peaceful to me. Sorry, but I'm just being honest. I could tell you I think Islam is a religion of peace, but I'd be lying.

so are you saying that you think the Muslim's you know are not following their faith's doctrine?

[MintJulep]

so are you saying that you think the Muslim's you know are not following their faith's doctrine?Basically, yes. They are not strict practitioners of the religion. The radicals call them apostates.

[2T]

Also, many Muslims in the ME are illiterate and I have heard aren't even allowed to read it. They are told what they're told by the Imam.

This has all kinds of implications regarding the manipulation of followers.

and there in lies the real issue, corrupt, despot rulers controling their populace by manipulation. The people dancing in the streets on 911 and most often the pro Muslim riots are because they are told what to do. It has less to do with the actual religion and more to do with education.

[Bill Cosby]

One could have a theological discusion about the founding of Islam, I don't know -or care -enough about it, except I've "heard" the story about convert or die, infidels, etc.
So I can't really comment on "Islam is peace"
The only thing I know for sure is more ppl get killed, enslaved, go to war, etc. over religion more than anything else - even race relations.

Which tells me religious ppl don't always get the idea that their religion is worth nothing more than other's as it's soley their opinon they got God.

I really don't care what you believe -just don't shove it down my throat, or use it as an excuse to bomb got to war, discriminate etc.

We value seperation of church in the US - even if that doesn't alway happen, it is our foundation. So Obama is correct about that.

I have yet to see a true religion of peace ( even Buddist get caught up in it)
http://tkcollier.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/history-of-buddhist-violence/

I think we'd all be better off without religion, but then we'd find some other "truth" to fight over. Guaranteed.


Christianity did the conversion by the sworn as well.............. I think one only need look @ these "saints" & see they are full of shit & hardly adherents to the faiths they claim to be defending.......

Like inkblots they project their hate, regardless of what it says.........

There is no call or tradition in Christianity for jihad & yet we had the crusades...........

IMHO most often the worst things about politics, religion etc is the followers........

[2T]

Basically, yes. They are not strict practitioners of the religion. The radicals call them apostates.


so you are letting the radicals dictate the definition of the faith?

[MintJulep]

Fuck this board. Every opinion has to be tiptoed around by moderators.
My opinion was on topic. She is preaching nothing but hate as a response. And that hate is what I responded to. Every other response or post has you monitoring it. You are making this board suck. I guess I need to find an alternative.No, I was giving my OPINION. This is an opinion discussion forum, is it not? Just because I didn't give the canned "Islam is a religion of peace" schtick doesn't mean I'm spreading hate. I'm being honest.

Furthermore, both Bill and Moby are patient and very tolerant compared to some of the control freaks I've experienced on other boards, so you don't know what you're talking about. This is a very good board.

[MintJulep]

so you are letting the radicals dictate the definition of the faith?I'm not "letting" anyone do anything. I'm just telling you what I know about it. Corgiluv is someone who has a great deal of knowledge about this subject, hopefully she will weigh in on it.

[Hawkeye2j]

No, I was giving my OPINION. This is an opinion discussion forum, is it not? Just because I didn't give the canned "Islam is a religion of peace" schtick doesn't mean I'm spreading hate. I'm being honest.

Furthermore, both Bill and Moby are patient and very tolerant compared to some of the control freaks I've experienced on other boards, so you don't know what you're talking about. This is a very good board.
It used to be a good board.

[MintJulep]

It used to be a good board.Whatever.

Until you've been on a board that sucks, you won't be able to appreciate this one. I've been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

[Bill Cosby]

It used to be a good board.

You can PM us any time & tell us how to do it...........

I will be back in an hour & look forward to you fixing everything for us........

THnX............... :thumbsup:

:)

PS I think we would all love to here your take on "Islam is Peace" when you get the chance......... :D

[CosmicRocker]

Whatever.

Until you've been on a board that sucks, you won't be able to appreciate this one. I've been there, done that, got the T-shirt. :lmao2:
But did you do hard time in the "slammer" at PG?

I carved my initials into the cell wall.

[Trinnity]

and there in lies the real issue, corrupt, despot rulers controlling their populace by manipulation. The people dancing in the streets on 911 and most often the pro Muslim riots are because they are told what to do. It has less to do with the actual religion and more to do with education.And yet they hate us because they're told to. We can't fix that. They're unaware at our "golden rule" attempt at openness and tolerance.

The "bad guys" are gonna use our openness against us with "soft Jihad", and their people's ignorance against us with their willingness to do violence, even suicidal violence.
Where does that leave us? Wide open. Tolerance is fine, as long as we're not suckers.

Let's not be suckers.

[MintJulep]

:lmao2:
But did you do hard time in the "slammer" at PG?

I carved my initials into the cell wall.No, I never got put in the slammer. Remember Bornright? He refused to come out. :lmao2:

[doctordog]

Fuck this board.

ME First!ME First!

:lmao2: :lmao2:

I hate sloppy seconds!

[Libertarian94]

No Minty your unmitigated hate is bullshit.

It's not hate Hawk it's fear.

[Hawkeye2j]

It's not hate Hawk it's fear.
That is a very good point.

[Moby]

That is a very good point.
Fear and Hate are by far the strongest emotions.

[CosmicRocker]

No, I never got put in the slammer. Remember Bornright? He refused to come out. :lmao2:
Oh Christ, I forgot about him, mods ddn't know what to do with him, he didn't do anything more to get banned, just refused to leave the slammer.
Pretty cool political action, if you think of it

[MintJulep]

Oh Christ, I forgot about him, mods ddn't know what to do with him, he didn't do anything more to get banned, just refused to leave the slammer.
Pretty cool political action, if you think of itThey asked him to promise something and he refused, so he stayed in the slammer and never looked back. :D

[MintJulep]

"If Muslim sensibilities are so tender they can't ignore the bizarre rants of an insignificant American fanatic then this is a culture with a serious anger management issue, and one the West can't help with.

There's no way to head-off every potential slight to Islam. Last time it was Danish cartoons, this time it's a Pentecostal pew jumper who lays down his snakes to strike a match.

Tomorrow, an atheist in Italy may name his dog Mohammad, or a biker in Australia will have a likeness of the prophet tattooed on his backside.

The only answer is for Islam to grow up. Religion invites antagonism; get used to it.

Using the destruction of a book as an excuse to rampage is unacceptable and immature. A Quran, like a Bible, is a physical thing. What makes both books holy are the ideas and inspiration they contain, not the pages and ink. The religion won't be broken by taunts, or by bonfires.

Burning a Quran in the Florida swamps doesn't weaken the foundation of Islam any more than burning an American flag in Pakistan dents our nation's underpinnings, or coating an icon of the Virgin Mary with elephant poop, like that "artist" once did in Cincinnati, undermines Christianity.

Grown-ups shrug off such affronts for the ignorance they are, and move on. They don't go nuts, as the radicals did after the cartoon episode.

We've had the mantra "Islam is a religion of peace" drilled into us for the past nine years. But Muslims still have some work to do to make that case. Peaceful religions aren't so easily provoked to violence. Religions of peace turn the other cheek.

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20100912/OPINION03/9120305/1008/opinion01/Islam-must-turn-other-cheek#ixzz0zTdcKAAR

[Hawkeye2j]

"If Muslim sensibilities are so tender they can't ignore the bizarre rants of an insignificant American fanatic then this is a culture with a serious anger management issue, and one the West can't help with.

There's no way to head-off every potential slight to Islam. Last time it was Danish cartoons, this time it's a Pentecostal pew jumper who lays down his snakes to strike a match.

Tomorrow, an atheist in Italy may name his dog Mohammad, or a biker in Australia will have a likeness of the prophet tattooed on his backside.

The only answer is for Islam to grow up. Religion invites antagonism; get used to it.

Using the destruction of a book as an excuse to rampage is unacceptable and immature. A Quran, like a Bible, is a physical thing. What makes both books holy are the ideas and inspiration they contain, not the pages and ink. The religion won't be broken by taunts, or by bonfires.

Burning a Quran in the Florida swamps doesn't weaken the foundation of Islam any more than burning an American flag in Pakistan dents our nation's underpinnings, or coating an icon of the Virgin Mary with elephant poop, like that "artist" once did in Cincinnati, undermines Christianity.

Grown-ups shrug off such affronts for the ignorance they are, and move on. They don't go nuts, as the radicals did after the cartoon episode.

We've had the mantra "Islam is a religion of peace" drilled into us for the past nine years. But Muslims still have some work to do to make that case. Peaceful religions aren't so easily provoked to violence. Religions of peace turn the other cheek.

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20100912/OPINION03/9120305/1008/opinion01/Islam-must-turn-other-cheek#ixzz0zTdcKAAR
Oh cut the crap. You righties go off half cocked every time a flag is burned. You are such hypocrites.

[Trinnity]

When someone burns a flag, I don't like it, but it doesn't inspire me to do anything more than.......nothing. Maybe a frown...usually not.

That's the difference.

[Mr, gone]

Fear and Hate are by far the strongest emotions.

And the government knows this all too well.

[Hawkeye2j]

When someone burns a flag, I don't like it, but it doesn't inspire me to do anything more than.......nothing. Maybe a frown...usually not.

That's the difference.
Great you personally. People have been beat up and their homes burned just for hanging their flag upside down. Hang on I will try to find the old articles from that and post it.

[Hawkeye2j]

Here it is:

http://www.mountainx.com/news/2007/flagged_down_activists_arrested_in_row_over_protes t_flag_allege_abuse_by_bu

[MintJulep]

Oh cut the crap. You righties go off half cocked every time a flag is burned. You are such hypocrites.There is no parallel here.

Your pathetic, failed defense of Islamofascism is stomach turning.

[dsolo802]

There is no parallel here.

Your pathetic, failed defense of Islamofascism is stomach turning.No one on the left is defending the idiocy and violence of fundamentalists, either those who claim to be following Muhammad, and those who claim to be following Jesus.

By contrast, I know of plenty of fundamentalist folks on the right who defend their right to oppress and do violence against those whose beliefs, lifestyles and religious practices do not conform with their "religious" views.

[MintJulep]

No one on the left is defending the idiocy and violence of fundamentalists, either those who claim to be following Muhammad, and those who claim to be following Jesus.

By contrast, I know of plenty of fundamentalist folks on the right who defend their right to oppress and do violence against those whose beliefs, lifestyles and religious practices do not conform with their "religious" views.The reaction of Americans to others burning flags does not equal the murderous lunacy of Islam over a book or cartoon. That was Hawk's argument I replied to.

[Moby]

As I mentioned on another post recently, an Imam on local radio out of Raleigh, said the last two translations (dating back to the 1800s?) of the Koran are militant and promoting violence against non-believers, and that traditional Imams don't teach from it. Don't know it that's true......just passing it along.
Also, many Muslims in the ME are illiterate and I have heard aren't even allowed to read it. They are told what they're told by the Imam.

This has all kinds of implications regarding the manipulation of followers.
But Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell have made extreme claims that don't have anything to do with the teachings of Christ. Most people of the religion are smart enough to ignore these men.

Many people in America refuse to read and instead are told what to believe by Glenn Beck and other Murdoch employees.

This has all kinds of implications regarding the manipulation of followers.:lmao2:

[dsolo802]

The reaction of Americans to others burning flags does not equal the murderous lunacy of Islam over a book or cartoon. That was Hawk's argument I replied to.How about the support of the Christian fundamentalists for the crimes against humanity in Gaza?

Personally and as members of the groups with which we self-identify, it is much easier to find fault with others than it is to find fault with self.

What was it that Jesus said about the mote in one's own eye?

[dsolo802]

When someone burns a flag, I don't like it, but it doesn't inspire me to do anything more than.......nothing. Maybe a frown...usually not.

That's the difference.But that is the point. Do you think Muslims as a group when seeing the Koran burn are ready to hop in a plane and fly it into a building?

[MintJulep]

How about the support of the Christian fundamentalists for the crimes against humanity in Gaza?

Personally and as members of the groups with which we self-identify, it is much easier to find fault with others than it is to find fault with self.

What was it that Jesus said about the mote in one's own eye?Americans do not threaten to kill people over flag burnings, religious desecration. There is simply no equivalent to this lunacy, dsolo.

I will never under the love affair the left has with Islam, a religion antithetical to everything you supposedly represent. Truly mind-boggling. Sigh........

[Trinnity]

But that is the point. Do you think Muslims as a group when seeing the Koran burn are ready to hop in a plane and fly it into a building?Of course they are. But we shouldn't bow down to them with appeasement. That NEVER works.

[Trinnity]

But Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell have made extreme claims that don't have anything to do with the teachings of Christ. Most people of the religion are smart enough to ignore these men.Yep, ignorant has-beens.
Many people in America refuse to read and instead are told what to believe by Glenn Beck and other Murdoch employees.
This has all kinds of implications regarding the manipulation of followers.Well thank God, we have :bowdown: YOU to :pokefun: educate the idiots.
:lmao2:

[Moby]

Yep, ignorant has-beens.
Well thank God, we have :bowdown: YOU to :pokefun: educate the idiots.
:lmao2:
Not me Trinnity. You claimed it was Beck.

[Moby]

Yep, ignorant has-beens.
One is dead the other is far from a has-been.

[Trinnity]

Not me Trinnity. You claimed it was Beck.You're the resident know it all, who thinks he's smarter than Beck and everyone. You act like it.

Falwell's dead. Wow, I didn't even miss him. :thumbsup:

[Parade Rain]

You're the resident know it all, who thinks he's smarter than Beck and everyone. You act like it.

Falwell's dead. Wow, I didn't even miss him. :thumbsup:

:lmao2: :lmao2:

[dsolo802]

Americans do not threaten to kill people over flag burnings, religious desecration. There is simply no equivalent to this lunacy, dsolo. Oh there is plenty of equivalent lunacy - not with Americans in general, but with the Fundamentalist Christians. Working to hasten Armageddon strikes me as being more than tad more nutso than threatening violence in response to a Koran burning. Now those nut ball Christians threaten to kill all humans - and the rest of life on Planet Earth - whereas the havoc of incensed offended Muslims is a good deal more local and limited.

I will never under the love affair the left has with Islam, a religion antithetical to everything you supposedly represent.And you are an expert on Islam :lmao2: Come on Minty, even you have got to see the humor in that.

Truly mind-boggling.Agreed! :banghead:

[Hawkeye2j]

Oh there is plenty of equivalent lunacy - not with Americans in general, but with the Fundamentalist Christians. Working to hasten Armageddon strikes me as being more than tad more nutso than threatening violence in response to a Koran burning. Now those nut ball Christians threaten to kill all humans - and the rest of life on Planet Earth - whereas the havoc of incensed offended Muslims is a good deal more local and limited.

And you are an expert on Islam :lmao2: Come on Minty, even you have got to see the humor in that.

Agreed! :banghead:

There is also those nutjob militias in the South.

[Bill Cosby]

There is also those nutjob militias in the South.

Tru-dat but we have them out in the west to........

You don't have them "yet" in baja Canada=North east......:lmao2:

[Trinnity]

There aren't any where I live in NC, just one guy who's into civil war reenactment.....he's kinda nuts. :crazzy:

[Bill Cosby]

There aren't any where I live in NC, just one guy who's into civil war reenactment.....he's kinda nuts. :crazzy:

I am sure they got plenty of wackO militias there, it is NC>:lmao2:

They are actually everywhere......... :thumbsup:

We even had some nuts wanting to blowup some propane tanks here in Elk Grove.....:banghead:

I have a neighbor that does those reenactments once a year........... I knew he was doing it for three or four years (He is a local HS history teacher) but I always assumed he was a Yankee as he had that full beard year round...........

Imagine my surprise when I saw him last year in his "rebel" grays............lol

[Trinnity]

My area is rural. Everyone talks. If there was one, I would know. There isn't.

[doctordog]

There aren't any where I live in NC, just one guy who's into civil war reenactment.....he's kinda nuts. :crazzy:

I bet there are some around Forrest City and Shelby, some pretty backwards ass people around there. Boone too.

[Bill Cosby]

My area is rural. Everyone talks. If there was one, I would know. There isn't.

Here most folks are more closed up & hardly talkin.........

[Trinnity]

I bet there are some around Forrest City and Shelby, some pretty backwards ass people around there. Boone too.I'm in the eastern part of the state, near the VA border.......

[Lou_Dobbs]

Yes, hanging homosexuals, treating women like utter crap, and honor killings in the name of Allah are as peaceful as it gets.

As long as they keep the negative aspects of their religion out of America I don't care to be honest. Whatever they do over there is their choice. But to say that Islam is 100% super dooper peaceful is 100% pure PC BS. I'm not saying any other religions are better they all have their flaws.

[Trinnity]

"Arguing with idiots"

Good luck convincing the "compassionate" liberals here of that. They don't care that women are oppressed, beaten, killed, and literally treated as property. They are so looked down upon by their own culture they're not really considered human. Gays are put to death. Stonings, honor killings, Sharia Law.

Yep, liberals are so rights obsessed, they support the cultural right to maintain a system of brutality, violence, and oppression.

I've heard it said that liberalism is a mental illness. They are proving that true. They've lost their minds.

And btw, I know of no other religion that's even close to being that fucked up, Lou.

[MintJulep]

"Arguing with idiots"

Good luck convincing the "compassionate" liberals here of that. They don't care that women are oppressed, beaten, killed, and literally treated as property. They are so looked down upon by their own culture they're not really considered human. Gays are put to death. Stonings, honor killings, Sharia Law.How can anyone, let alone an alleged 'liberal', characterize this lifestyle as "freedom"? :confused:

[Trinnity]

They can't. They're nuts to go that way.

[Bill Cosby]

Yes, hanging homosexuals, treating women like utter crap, and honor killings in the name of Allah are as peaceful as it gets.

As long as they keep the negative aspects of their religion out of America I don't care to be honest. Whatever they do over there is their choice. But to say that Islam is 100% super dooper peaceful is 100% pure PC BS. I'm not saying any other religions are better they all have their flaws.

Funny, it was not that long ago that we had that kinda thing going on here in "gawds country".........

If a black man or boy was even accused of even whistling @ a white women or girl he could be lynched & no one would be charged..... Many of those participating in this are still alive to this day.........

You folks wishing to throw stones need to look over your shoulder now & then...

& as far as "evil luberals" supporting ugly practices in Islam or any other faith is simply false.............

Vile practices by anyone or group, from religious nuts to drunken racist vigilantes should be condemned, while being cognizant of those that are not participating.......:thumbsup:

[doctordog]

Funny, it was not that long ago that we had that kinda thing going on here in "gawds country".........

If a black man or boy was even accused of even whistling @ a white women or girl he could be lynched & no one would be charged..... Many of those participating in this are still alive to this day.........

You folks wishing to throw stones need to look over your shoulder now & then...

& as far as "evil luberals" supporting ugly practices in Islam or any other faith is simply false.............

Vile practices by anyone or group, from religious nuts to drunken racist vigilantes should be condemned, while being cognizant of those that are not participating.......:thumbsup:

what about whistling at black women? what will that get me?:D

[Moby]

If a black man or boy was even accused of even whistling @ a white women or girl he could be lynched & no one would be charged..... Many of those participating in this are still alive to this day.........
Do you think they voted for McCain or Obama?

Do you think they prefer Beck or Maddow?

Do you think they have the same beliefs as Minty and Trinnity?

[Bill Cosby]

what about whistling at black women? what will that get me?:D


I guess that will depend a lot on you & her...........

Maybe a dinner & a movie or quick one across the chops.........:lmao2:

[Lou_Dobbs]

Funny, it was not that long ago that we had that kinda thing going on here in "gawds country".........

If a black man or boy was even accused of even whistling @ a white women or girl he could be lynched & no one would be charged..... Many of those participating in this are still alive to this day.........

You folks wishing to throw stones need to look over your shoulder now & then...

& as far as "evil luberals" supporting ugly practices in Islam or any other faith is simply false.............

Vile practices by anyone or group, from religious nuts to drunken racist vigilantes should be condemned, while being cognizant of those that are not participating.......:thumbsup:

Like I said, I'm not saying other religions are peaceful. The difference is that this stuff is going on right now over there while we have thankfully moved on from those dark times.

Do you think people who practice Islam in this way will ever change? I don't because that would mean going against their religion. They would rather die for their religion than go against it. They need those virgins and everything else they have been promised.

[Bill Cosby]

Like I said, I'm not saying other religions are peaceful. The difference is that this stuff is going on right now over there while we have thankfully moved on from those dark times.

Do you think people who practice Islam in this way will ever change? I don't because that would mean going against their religion. They would rather die for their religion than go against it. They need those virgins and everything else they have been promised.


There will likely be extremist doing this crazy stuff for a while..... Not like it is anything new......

I think it important to keep in mind we are not that far removed from this stuff... IMHO it comes off a bit like the Xsmoker, now the strongest crybaby about others smoking around or near her.........

They are no different than us...... They got wackO's & we got wackO's....

[Bill Cosby]

Do you think they voted for McCain or Obama?


I think they would have to go w/ McCain......:lmao2:

But I think since they likely voted for Wallace & republicans ever since the northern "liberal" dem party turned their back on them........

[Trinnity]

We have hundreds of wackos, they have millions, IMO.

Sharia Law, anyone?

[Bill Cosby]

We have hundreds of wackos, they have millions, IMO.

Sharia Law, anyone?

I am not afraid of that happening here..... Are you??

[Moby]

Like I said, I'm not saying other religions are peaceful. The difference is that this stuff is going on right now over there while we have thankfully moved on from those dark times.

Do you think people who practice Islam in this way will ever change? I don't because that would mean going against their religion. They would rather die for their religion than go against it. They need those virgins and everything else they have been promised.
Do you think that people that supported segregation will ever change because that would mean going against their religion. While the racism of that time wasn't a formal religion, it was and still is a deep seated belief at the same emotional and mental level.

People change but it takes generations.

[Trinnity]

I am not afraid of that happening here..... Are you??What? Millions of wackos?

[Bill Cosby]

What? Millions of wackos?

Sharia Law, anyone?

That happening here in the USA.....

[Trinnity]

If you're asking if I think Sharia Law would be honored in the USA, I hope not. They have asked for "Sharia Law compliance". As crazy as our country has become.....I could see American courts deferring to special Muslim courts that would handle Sharia Law, and they could get around our laws and rights that way.
I could see desperate Muslim wives and daughters suffering under Sharia Law with no recourse in "the land of freedom".
I don't have a lot of faith in the "system" right now.

[Bill Cosby]

If you're asking if I think Sharia Law would be honored in the USA, I hope not. They have asked for "Sharia Law compliance". As crazy as our country has become.....I could see American courts deferring to special Muslim courts that would handle Sharia Law, and they could get around our laws and rights that way.
I could see desperate Muslim wives and daughters suffering under Sharia Law with no recourse in "the land of freedom".
I don't have a lot of faith in the "system" right now.

So is that a yes or a no???

[Parade Rain]

If you're asking if I think Sharia Law would be honored in the USA, I hope not. They have asked for "Sharia Law compliance". As crazy as our country has become.....I could see American courts deferring to special Muslim courts that would handle Sharia Law, and they could get around our laws and rights that way.
I could see desperate Muslim wives and daughters suffering under Sharia Law with no recourse in "the land of freedom".
I don't have a lot of faith in the "system" right now.

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[CosmicRocker]

There will likely be extremist doing this crazy stuff for a while..... Not like it is anything new......
They are no different than us...... They got wackO's & we got wackO's....
:lmao2: "The lunatics are in my head"

[Trinnity]

So is that a yes or a no???I gave you the best answer I can, I don't know......re-read my comment if you're not clear.

[Bill Cosby]

I gave you the best answer I can, I don't know......re-read my comment if you're not clear.

OK...............

Sometimes guys get confused when girls say one thing but mean another.....

[dsolo802]

I could see American courts deferring to special Muslim courts that would handle Sharia Law, and they could get around our laws and rights that way.
I could see desperate Muslim wives and daughters suffering under Sharia Law with no recourse in "the land of freedom".
Not a chance. And there is no actual factual basis to support your fear. In America, the right to believe is absolute. The right to practice based on what you believe is not.

Christians are not denied their rights to be Christian EXCEPT in cases where their religion would hurt others. Christians are not, for example, allowed to deny blood transfusions to their ailing children based on what they believe.

There is no reason for thinking that the minority religion will be allowed to harm their own. Even the most "devout" Muslim, in the name of what he perceives his religion to be, will NOT be allowed to physically or mentally harm anyone.

But how to explain civil rights activists defending Muslim rights more than those of the Majority religion? First because the civil rights of the majority are almost never abridged. The civil rights causes in world history have always been about protecting the fundamental rights of the minority FROM THE MAJORITY.

Second, defending the right of the least popular religion in the land is defending the rights of them all. Civil rights always erode in cases where the party involved, rightly or wrongly, is perceived as being unworthy of some fundamental freedom. Well, in America, if you are human you are worthy.

As for the idea that Muslims will be allowed to create special Muslim Courts, well . . .

I believe in everyone's right to self-medicate. You have to exercise that freedom VIGOROUSLY to come to such a conclusion.

[Trinnity]

Scientologists tend to deny medical care to their children. I don't see them getting thrown in jail for that. I think there's another religious sect that does that. Which one is it?

Islam is going to push very hard for what it wants, and what it wants is Sharia Law. Their best chance to get it is though our lenience and ignorance of the true brutality of the culture and that form of law.
Remember, a burqa can hide physical abuse, from head to toe.

I hope the more modern Muslims who live in America to escape Sharia Law, will stand against it.

[MintJulep]

I'm not concerned about it because Islam is less than 1% of the population. A minority such as that will never be able to put 99% in their shackles. And they know it.

[Moby]

I'm not concerned about it because Islam is less than 1% of the population. A minority such as that will never be able to put 99% in their shackles. And they know it.
Of that 1% I think a very small portion would be happy with laws coming from a book written written 1,400 years ago. Although there are many politicians that claim to be Christians in America that would like to do that.

[MintJulep]

Of that 1% I think a very small portion would be happy with laws coming from a book written written 1,400 years ago. Although there are many politicians that claim to be Christians in America that would like to do that.Any Christian theocracies currently in existence?

[Trinnity]

What she said ^.

[Bill Cosby]

Scientologists tend to deny medical care to their children. I don't see them getting thrown in jail for that. I think there's another religious sect that does that. Which one is it?

Islam is going to push very hard for what it wants, and what it wants is Sharia Law. Their best chance to get it is though our lenience and ignorance of the true brutality of the culture and that form of law.
Remember, a burqa can hide physical abuse, from head to toe.

I hope the more modern Muslims who live in America to escape Sharia Law, will stand against it.

So can a mini skirt hide some abuse..... :dunno: I don't see this as a valid argument......... Nor do I see sharia law compatible w/ western individual freedoms as practiced here= NOT HAPPENING HERE!!!

[Bill Cosby]

I'm not concerned about it because Islam is less than 1% of the population. A minority such as that will never be able to put 99% in their shackles. And they know it.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Trinnity]

So can a mini skirt hide some abuse..... :dunno: I don't see this as a valid argument......... ...compared to a burqa? :lmao2: Nor do I see sharia law compatible w/ western individual freedoms as practiced here= NOT HAPPENING HERE!!!Not anytime soon, anyway. Let's hope not ever.

[Hawkeye2j]

Scientologists tend to deny medical care to their children. I don't see them getting thrown in jail for that. I think there's another religious sect that does that. Which one is it?

Islam is going to push very hard for what it wants, and what it wants is Sharia Law. Their best chance to get it is though our lenience and ignorance of the true brutality of the culture and that form of law.
Remember, a burqa can hide physical abuse, from head to toe.

I hope the more modern Muslims who live in America to escape Sharia Law, will stand against it.
They are increasingly being forced by the Courts to provide care.

[dsolo802]

Scientologists tend to deny medical care to their children. Really? I do get it though: Why rely on the Scientologist's official doctrinal position on the need for medical and pharmacological treatment of physical disease when you can just make shit up?

Here is what the Scientologists put out about the place of medicine in there scheme of things:

Scientology policy is adamant that no true spiritual progress can be expected if underlying medical conditions remain untreated. Medical doctors are trained to deal with the physical aspects of illness and injury. A Scientologist with a physical condition is always advised and supported to seek and obtain the needed examination and treatment of a qualified medical professional. Separately and once under medical treatment, a Scientologist then can address his illness or injury with Scientology counseling to handle any spiritual trauma or other factors connected with the physical condition which may have predisposed him to illness or injury. There are also many medical doctors who are Scientologists themselves.

What is the Scientology view on drugs?

Scientologists use medical drugs and prescription medication when physically ill and also rely on the advice and treatment of medical doctors. Scientologists do not take street drugs or mind altering psychiatric drugs of any kind.

Scientologists believe that psychotropic or street drugs damage a person physically, mentally and spiritually. They decrease awareness and hinder abilities. They are a "solution" to some other problem only to become a bigger problem.

I don't see them getting thrown in jail for that.Because that's not their practice.

I think there's another religious sect that does that. Which one is it?Because that is their practice.

Islam is going to push very hard for what it wants, and what it wants is Sharia Law.Islam is not a monolithic thing. And neither is Christianity. If Christianity were, based on the advocacy of fundamentalist Christians, I could as validly/invalidly state Christianity wants theocracy in America.

I hope the more modern Muslims who live in America to escape Sharia Law, will stand against it.I hope the more moderate and modern Christian will stand against the fundamentalist Christian radicals.

[2T]

Scientologists tend to deny medical care to their children. I don't see them getting thrown in jail for that. I think there's another religious sect that does that. Which one is it?

Islam is going to push very hard for what it wants, and what it wants is Sharia Law. Their best chance to get it is though our lenience and ignorance of the true brutality of the culture and that form of law.
Remember, a burqa can hide physical abuse, from head to toe.

I hope the more modern Muslims who live in America to escape Sharia Law, will stand against it.

Why should they, they are being demonized and labeled as radical terrorists... by YOU

how long have Muslims been working on this evil plan to take over America? when does the "hard push" start?

are you stating that you think Govenment should dictate to parents when and how medical care should be administered to their children? what political ideology ARE YOU???

[Trinnity]

are you stating that you think Govenment should dictate to parents when and how medical care should be administered to their children? what political ideology ARE YOU???You wrote: Christians are not, for example, allowed to deny blood transfusions to their ailing children based on what they believe.I responded:Scientologists tend to deny medical care to their children.
Govt does mandate. Innoculations are required for entry to school, for example.

[2T]

You wrote:.

no I did not write any such thing...

[dsolo802]

You wrote: I responded:
Govt does mandate. Innoculations are required for entry to school, for example.No you have got your attributions and quotes all messed up. Let's reset:

Scientologists tend to deny medical care to their children. Really? I do get it though: Why rely on the Scientologist's official doctrinal position on the need for medical and pharmacological treatment of physical disease when you can just make shit up?

Here is what the Scientologists put out about the place of medicine in there scheme of things:

Scientology policy is adamant that no true spitirual progress can be expected if underlying medical conditions remain untreated. Medical doctors are trained to deal with the physical aspects of illness and injury. A Scientologist with a physical condition is always advised and supported to seek and obtain the needed examination and treatment of a qualified medical professional. Separately and once under medical treatment, a Scientologist then can address his illness or injury with Scientology counseling to handle any spiritual trauma or other factors connected with the physical condition which may have predisposed him to illness or injury. There are also many medical doctors who are Scientologists themselves.

What is the Scientology view on drugs?

Scientologists use medical drugs and prescription medication when physically ill and also rely on the advice and treatment of medical doctors. Scientologists do not take street drugs or mind altering psychiatric drugs of any kind.

Scientologists believe that psychotropic or street drugs damage a person physically, mentally and spiritually. They decrease awareness and hinder abilities. They are a "solution" to some other problem only to become a bigger problem.

I don't see them getting thrown in jail for that.Because that's not their practice.

I think there's another religious sect that does that. Which one is it?Because that is their practice.

Islam is going to push very hard for what it wants, and what it wants is Sharia Law.Islam is not a monolithic thing. And neither is Christianity. If Christianity were, based on the advocacy of fundamentalist Christians, I could as validly/invalidly state Christianity wants theocracy in America.

I hope the more modern Muslims who live in America to escape Sharia Law, will stand against it.I hope the more moderate and modern Christian will stand against the fundamentalist Christian radicals.

[Trinnity]

That was a direct quote....if it's gone, you deleted it. I'm not going to bother to look for it.
Later, trollista.
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Oh, Okay, dsolo said it. Damn, y'all are clones of each other. Now it makes sense. You're genetic experiments gone wrong.

[2T]

That was a direct quote....if it's gone, you deleted it. I'm not going to bother to look for it.
Later, trollista.
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Oh, Okay, dsolo said it. Damn, y'all are clones of each other. Now it makes sense. You're genetic experiments gone wrong.


no, its just that you're a dumbazz :taunt:

[Parade Rain]

That was a direct quote....if it's gone, you deleted it. I'm not going to bother to look for it.
Later, trollista.
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Oh, Okay, dsolo said it. Damn, y'all are clones of each other. Now it makes sense. You're genetic experiments gone wrong.


You're a DUMB FUCK.

DSOLO wrote that, not 2T.

[Trinnity]

Compared to you, I'm Einstein. :lmao2:

[Environment Man]

Once again, Trinnity is right.

Isn't she always?

[Environment Man]

You're a DUMB FUCK.

DSOLO wrote that, not 2T.

You are so vulgar.

Trinnity is a lady. You are not.

[doctordog]

You're a DUMB FUCK.

DSOLO wrote that, not 2T.

that is better than being a lousy one like you:lmao2:

[Parade Rain]

Hey Eturd - you summoned Trinn to your perv palace; she's waiting! :lmao2:

[Environment Man]

that is better than being a lousy one like you:lmao2:

Parade Rain is not a happy person.

She can be so cruel to people.

[Environment Man]

Hey Eturd - you summoned Trinn to your perv palace; she's waiting! :lmao2:

Oh? You're monitoring my every post are you?

Trinnity has class.

STFU and learn from her.

[Parade Rain]

Oh? You're monitoring my every post are you?

Trinnity has class.

STFU and learn from her.

Funny thing, you hit 'new posts' and there's no avoiding them.

Better go catch her before the 'mood' is gone...:hi:

[doctordog]

Parade Rain is not a happy person.

She can be so cruel to people.

no wonder she hooks up with all that hobo trash from the south;)

[Environment Man]

Funny thing, you hit 'new posts' and there's no avoiding them.

Better go catch her before the 'mood' is gone...:hi:

Don't be jealous PR.

Trinnity is a lady and you are not.

Trinnity is smart and you are not.

Trinnity is sophisticated and you are not.

No wonder you are so jealous of her.

[Environment Man]

no wonder she hooks up with all that hobo trash from the south;)

Why am I not surprised that PR consorts with hobos?

[Parade Rain]

Don't be jealous PR.

Trinnity is a lady and you are not.

Trinnity is smart and you are not.

Trinnity is sophisticated and you are not.

No wonder you are so jealous of her.

Yeah, that's nice.

Why don't you go spam up the two threads dedicated to you and your slimy crap rather than ruining this one? Deal? :D

[Environment Man]

Yeah, that's nice.

Why don't you go spam up the two threads dedicated to you and your slimy crap rather than ruining this one? Deal? :D

Why don't you go back to YOUR chat board and stop harrassing people at DCJ?

Deal?

[doctordog]

Yeah, that's nice.

Why don't you go spam up the two threads dedicated to you and your slimy crap rather than ruining this one? Deal? :D

When you go back to that ghost community called Rumble we will, until then fuck off.:thumbsup:

[Parade Rain]

Why don't you go back to YOUR chat board and stop harrassing people at DCJ?

Deal?

Stop whining and sniveling, girly boy. I'm there AND here. How 'bout that? :lmao2:

[Environment Man]

Stop whining and sniveling, girly boy. I'm there AND here. How 'bout that? :lmao2:

Islam is peace, except for extremists like you.

[doctordog]

Islam is peace, except for extremists like you.

Don't tease the shill, Islam is her new pet religion.:lmao2:

[Environment Man]

Sir Moby has a perfectly good thread topic here.

But then PR flies planes all into it.

PR just comes to DCJ to start some sh*t.

Why would a Buddhist care about the effect of Islam anyway?

[Environment Man]

Don't tease the shill, Islam is her new pet religion.:lmao2:

Well I hope she has her belly covered.

[Hawkeye2j]

Parade Rain is being ganged up on with personal attacks on this thread. It should stop.

[Binky]

Oh cut the crap. You righties go off half cocked every time a flag is burned. You are such hypocrites.


Excuse me? Who the heck gave you the power to know what each of us do? I, for one, have NEVER gone off HALF COCKED when a flag was burned. I sure as hell don't like it. I think it is disrespectful. And traitorius. I figure if someone hates America so much they burn the flag, then get the hell out and find another country that fits their needs. One with less freedoms and more control. So don't go plunking all rights into the same pile.

Since you're a lefty then I guess we can staple a sign to your ass labling you a flag burner. You know..........if the righties aren't doing it and are going nutso when it's done, then that leaves you lefties doing the nasty deed.

Go figure.....Now there's a shocker....

[Hawkeye2j]

Excuse me? Who the heck gave you the power to know what each of us do? I, for one, have NEVER gone off HALF COCKED when a flag was burned. I sure as hell don't like it. I think it is disrespectful. And traitorius. I figure if someone hates America so much they burn the flag, then get the hell out and find another country that fits their needs. One with less freedoms and more control. So don't go plunking all rights into the same pile.

Since you're a lefty then I guess we can staple a sign to your ass labling you a flag burner. You know..........if the righties aren't doing it and are going nutso when it's done, then that leaves you lefties doing the nasty deed.

Go figure.....Now there's a shocker....
Well another Right Wing Nut Job is heard from.

[doctordog]

Parade Rain is being ganged up on with personal attacks on this thread. It should stop.

she is not going to give you any, let it go.:lmao2:

[Binky]

Well another Right Wing Nut Job is heard from.


Why you're just hilarious....It's a great thing I have a terrific sense of humor......:lmao2:

[Trinnity]

Parade Rain is being ganged up on with personal attacks on this thread. It should stop.Parade Rain is the premier troll/attacker of this site. To defend her is silly, Hawk.

[doctordog]

Parade Rain is the premier troll/attacker of this site. To defend her is silly, Hawk.

she told him he was good looking:lmao2:

[Trinnity]

Oh.........................

[Environment Man]

Well another Right Wing Nut Job is heard from.

Don't you talk to Binky that Way.

Islam is peace. You are not.

[Environment Man]

Islam is a legitimate religion.

Its violent wing gives the religion a bad name though.

Christianity has been cruel in the past too though.

Human inhumanity to humans is a human thing regardless of the ideals of the two legitimate religions.