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nondual
09-11-2010, 08:25 AM
Daily Show: Why Won’t MSNBC Bullsh*t Their Election Coverage Like Fox?
Will cable networks be able to shake off their “Summer of the Killer Mosque” cobwebs and actually report on Obama’s push for the re-election of Dems? Yes and no.
On Thursday’s Daily Show, Jon pointed out that Fox continues to edit video deceptively in order to preserve the integrity of its right-wing narrative. MSNBC, on the other hand, can’t seem to take a hint. They’re just reporting what happens.
One of these networks has a lot to learn about being “Fair and Balanced.”
Watch it:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-9-2010/are-you-ready-for-some-midterms----msnbc-s-political-narrative
Fulltimer
09-11-2010, 08:56 AM
The thing is Fox is simply broadcasting to their base and can say whatever they want without regard to the truth or even actual events.
They are not going to change their viewer's opinion of Obama. They all already hate him.
nondual
09-11-2010, 09:09 AM
They all already hate him.
And that's exactly how they want it. :dunno:
SortofLiberal
09-11-2010, 09:39 AM
I blame MSNBC more for the slanted view the voters have of this President than I do FOX.
They have their talking heads that while being progressives, have their own little axes to grind and instead of acknowledging the accomplishments of this President all you ever hear out of them is how he has not taken care of their petty issues. You have Ed Shultz bitching about him not being progressive enough. You have Rachel Maddow bitching that he has not done enough for Gays. As they rip him from the Left and FOX rips him from the Right, why is anyone surprised that the Republicans are winning in the polls.
So, when the Republicans get control of the country and we are dealing with a replay of the last two years that Bill Clinton was in office of investigations and hate mongering by the Right and nothing getting done to help the middle class, it will not be FOX that brought us to the bad old days that got us into this ditch, but we will have MSNBC to thank.
nondual
09-11-2010, 10:15 AM
I blame MSNBC more for the slanted view the voters have of this President than I do FOX.
They have their talking heads that while being progressives, have their own little axes to grind and instead of acknowledging the accomplishments of this President all you ever hear out of them is how he has not taken care of their petty issues. You have Ed Shultz bitching about him not being progressive enough. You have Rachel Maddow bitching that he has not done enough for Gays. As they rip him from the Left and FOX rips him from the Right, why is anyone surprised that the Republicans are winning in the polls.
So, when the Republicans get control of the country and we are dealing with a replay of the last two years that Bill Clinton was in office of investigations and hate mongering by the Right and nothing getting done to help the middle class, it will not be FOX that brought us to the bad old days that got us into this ditch, but we will have MSNBC to thank.
That's why we call them media whores. :D They each cater to their own set of customers.
CosmicRocker
09-11-2010, 04:52 PM
That's why we call them media whores. :D They each cater to their own set of customers.
Yep. Belly up to ther bar, and drink your own brand.
The" other stuff" is pure poison. Thank goodness I'm drinking the politically correct kind.
BlueSpoon
09-11-2010, 07:03 PM
Looks to me like viewers know where the bullshit is coming from and it isn't Fox.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/cable-news
Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for September 8, 2010
P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,214,000 viewers
CNN – 402,000 viewers
MSNBC – 413,000 viewers
CNBC – 202,000 viewers
HLN – 280,000 viewers
P2+ Prime Time
FNC – 2,569,000 viewers
CNN – 654,000 viewers
MSNBC –923,000 viewers
CNBC – 269,000 viewers
HLN – 508,000 viewers
nondual
09-11-2010, 08:36 PM
Looks to me like viewers know where the bullshit is coming from and it isn't Fox.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/cable-news
Viewers know? How?
Did viewers know Hannity was lying, as he was caught doing?
Viewer ship has little to do with their being honest.
olddude
09-13-2010, 12:23 AM
Viewers know? How?
Did viewers know Hannity was lying, as he was caught doing?
Viewer ship has little to do with their being honest.
Good Lord man, a third of FNC's viewers are leftys just trying to get the straight scoop. Even the die hard leftsided liberals don't believe a lot of the crap they get on those commie stations.
Mr, gone
09-13-2010, 02:33 AM
Looks to me like viewers know where the bullshit is coming from and it isn't Fox.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/cable-news
Hitler had millions of follows also, does that mean he was 'right'.:taunt:
Looks to me like viewers know where the bullshit is coming from and it isn't Fox.
Looks to me like viewers know where the bullshit is coming from and it isn't Fox.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/cable-news
Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for September 8, 2010
P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,214,000 viewers
CNN – 402,000 viewers
MSNBC – 413,000 viewers
CNBC – 202,000 viewers
HLN – 280,000 viewers
P2+ Prime Time
FNC – 2,569,000 viewers
CNN – 654,000 viewers
MSNBC –923,000 viewers
CNBC – 269,000 viewers
HLN – 508,000 viewers
Another perfect example of how the right is more gullible than any other group in America.
Compare the media outlets that are funded by Rupert Murdoch with those funded by George Soros.
People flock to the misleading information coming from Murdoch and are even proud of the fact that they flock to false and misleading information. People also flock to the media funded by Soros which is the same but in such small numbers that it doesn't even make these polls.
Thanks for proving my point again :thumbsup:
nondual
09-13-2010, 07:43 AM
Looks to me like viewers know where the bullshit is coming from and it isn't Fox.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/cable-news
1,214,000 - FAUX
402,000
413,000
202,000
280,000
_________
1,297,000 - MSM
And that's not counting The Daily Show
Independent Harry
09-13-2010, 09:15 AM
I dont get it, did anyone actually march the video and see the outright lies that fox tells? I mean why woukd listen to someone that lies to you over and over again?
tristanrobin
09-13-2010, 09:47 AM
Good Lord man, a third of FNC's viewers are leftys just trying to get the straight scoop. Even the die hard leftsided liberals don't believe a lot of the crap they get on those commie stations.
:lmao2:
um
do you have any kind of validation for that absurd claim?
:lmao2:
tristanrobin
09-13-2010, 09:49 AM
I dont get it, did anyone actually march the video and see the outright lies that fox tells? I mean why woukd listen to someone that lies to you over and over again?
I watched it. There's not much to say about it, other than Jon Stewart is really really funny. Nothing new. For 10 years we've seen a plethora of examples of FAUX News outright lying about issues. The people who watch that kind of dishonesty are like the people on internet forums who write things like "Liberals hate America" and "Obama isn't an American" garbage. They just watch it in order to get their spleens vented of venom.
MintJulep
09-13-2010, 09:52 AM
I dont get it, did anyone actually march the video and see the outright lies that fox tells? I mean why woukd listen to someone that lies to you over and over again?Probably because they are tired of shit like this. The state run media has the market cornered on lies.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2010/09/13/msnbc-s-wolffe-repeats-debunked-newsweek-claim-koran-flushed-down-toi
nondual
09-13-2010, 09:56 AM
:lmao2:
um
do you have any kind of validation for that absurd claim?
:lmao2:
Kooks don't need validation.
Hawkeye2j
09-13-2010, 09:57 AM
Probably because they are tired of shit like this. The state run media has the market cornered on lies.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2010/09/13/msnbc-s-wolffe-repeats-debunked-newsweek-claim-koran-flushed-down-toi
Minty even your avatar is dishonest. Reagan was the biggest deficit spender of all. Tax rates under Reagan at the end of his term was not much lower than Jimmy Carter.
Trinnity
09-13-2010, 09:58 AM
How 'bout this for a bumper sticker:
GEORGE SORES FOR SHADOW PREZ
RE-WRITING THE CONSTITUTION BY 2020, MY WAY
nondual
09-13-2010, 10:09 AM
How 'bout this for a bumper sticker:
GEORGE SORES FOR SHADOW PREZ: RE-WRITING THE CONSTITUTION BY 2020, MY WAY
Too long! :lmao2:
MintJulep
09-13-2010, 10:12 AM
How 'bout this for a bumper sticker:
GEORGE SORES FOR SHADOW PREZ: RE-WRITING THE CONSTITUTION BY 2020, MY WAYLet Soros throw away more millions of dollars like he did trying to buy the election for Kerry. Soros money won't trump the will of the people, and boy have they got will now! :lmao2:
nondual
09-13-2010, 10:51 AM
Let Soros throw away more millions of dollars like he did trying to buy the election for Kerry. Soros money won't trump the will of the people, and boy have they got will now! :lmao2:
FOX using the same attacks on Obama they used against Kerry (http://foxattacks.com/)
Independent Harry
09-13-2010, 11:49 AM
Probably because they are tired of shit like this. The state run media has the market cornered on lies.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2010/09/13/msnbc-s-wolffe-repeats-debunked-newsweek-claim-koran-flushed-down-toi
From the story it just sounds like they used that as an example of what happened in a similar situation. What the consequences were. It doesn't sound lime they were trying to dsy the Newsweek story was true... I aol to see the comparison, as well, ow does one media outlet lying mske it on for yours to lie? Wouldn't you continue to try and find an unbiased source that reports news and doesnt lie to you about what happens?
Minty even your avatar is dishonest. Reagan was the biggest deficit spender of all. Tax rates under Reagan at the end of his term was not much lower than Jimmy Carter.
It depends on how you measure it. It usually goes to George W. Bush but there are some ways to twist it and make Bush only look like the 2nd worst deficit spender and Reagan first.
Of course it's always the dems fault that republicans increase spending and borrowing so much.
How 'bout this for a bumper sticker:
GEORGE SORES FOR SHADOW PREZ
RE-WRITING THE CONSTITUTION BY 2020, MY WAY
Rupert Murdoch was doing that for 8 years and is still doing that now. How do you like it?
Probably because they are tired of shit like this. The state run media has the market cornered on lies.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2010/09/13/msnbc-s-wolffe-repeats-debunked-newsweek-claim-koran-flushed-down-toi
Wanna bet that we can find more obviously fabricated stories by Fox and Rush than you can find?
I'm not talking about errors, I'm talking about obviously fabricated false stories like the Whitey, Mouse, Bunny Ranch Train, ACORN and things like that?
Minty, the fact that you think there's more politically made up stuff in the mainstream media then there is at Fox is another perfect example of how you believe the lies.
Independent Harry
09-13-2010, 10:49 PM
Moby - don't forget the obvious ploy of saying that Republican senators were Democrats when they were caught in a scandal...
ocealdia
09-14-2010, 11:56 AM
Yep. Belly up to ther bar, and drink your own brand.
The" other stuff" is pure poison. Thank goodness I'm drinking the politically correct kind.
What he said. :lmao2:
Tommy
09-14-2010, 01:21 PM
its nothing but market share ... nothing else
anyone who thinks there is any other reason is..
the country is pretty much divided 50/50 .. give or take..
so look at those numbers....
fox is the only cable news channel for the right wing.. so they get all of the right wing viewers... thats half the country
the other 3 cable news stations have to split the left so they get a third of the left wing viewers .... thats like 17% of the country for each
if there was 3 right wing cable news channels then fox wouldnt have such great numbers
nondual
09-14-2010, 02:10 PM
its nothing but market share ... nothing else
anyone who thinks there is any other reason is..
the country is pretty much divided 50/50 .. give or take..
so look at those numbers....
fox is the only cable news channel for the right wing.. so they get all of the right wing viewers... thats half the country
the other 3 cable news stations have to split the left so they get a third of the left wing viewers .... thats like 17% of the country for each
if there was 3 right wing cable news channels then fox wouldnt have such great numbers
:thumbsup: It's simple math.
Trinnity
09-14-2010, 02:40 PM
Rupert Murdoch was doing that for 8 years and is still doing that now. How do you like it?Be specific and PROVE IT.
Be specific and PROVE IT.
Prove what?
You already know that Rupert Murdoch owns News Corp, which own Fox News and The New York Post. You already know that Murdoch owns the Weekly Standard run by William Kristol. You already know that William Kristol founded the PNAC. You already know that every member of the PNAC once Bush took office was given a position of power. You should already know that the Bush administration did what the PNAC claimed needed to be done in 1998. You should already know that the PNAC wants to have a single set of moral values for the world which would require a fight between Christianity and all other religions. Of course the Muslim religion was the only one gaining enough member to threaten Christianity.
You should already know all of this stuff. You worry about Soros because you were told to worry about through the News Corp. media network. Yet you ignore the fact that Rupert Murdoch has controlled the think tanks, the white house and the media that you subscribe to and believe is educating you. :banghead:
Why do you so readily accept one while complaining about the other? Soros doesn't have any where near the reach as Murdoch and there's no evidence that his think tanks are controlling the any portion of our government.
its nothing but market share ... nothing else
anyone who thinks there is any other reason is..
the country is pretty much divided 50/50 .. give or take..
so look at those numbers....
fox is the only cable news channel for the right wing.. so they get all of the right wing viewers... thats half the country
the other 3 cable news stations have to split the left so they get a third of the left wing viewers .... thats like 17% of the country for each
if there was 3 right wing cable news channels then fox wouldn't have such great numbers
Hi Tommy. Good to see you but I totally disagree with you.
I don't think it has anything to do with market share at all. I think it has to do with viewing preferences and learning styles.
Look at the crowd at a WWE match. Thousands of people attend these. Deep down they all know that it's fake but they won't admit it. They love the emotional portion of it. There's some one to hate, and some one that's good. They cheer for the person they think is the good guy. They're told to do that. They want to do that.
How many in such a crowd do you think are liberal or independent?
There's a particular mindset of people that are drawn to this style of misinformation. If all networks were shut down, Olbermann would never gather the same following as Beck. If Beck was preaching to the left, he could never use such tactics as people on the left and middle are more likely to avoid the hate and misinformation.
Look at how many times on this board the left and middle will post years worth of data and factual information. Look at how often that happens from the right?
The spin is popular with a particular mindset of people. If Fox News started pushing liberal politics today, in 6 years 90% of their following would be voting for Joe Biden.
Trinnity
09-14-2010, 05:13 PM
Moby, I wrote: "Soros: re-writing the Constitution by 2012 - my way"
You wrote: "Rupert Murdoch was doing that for 8 years and is still doing that now. How do you like it?"
Bill Cosby
09-14-2010, 05:14 PM
Hi Tommy. Good to see you but I totally disagree with you.
I don't think it has anything to do with market share at all. I think it has to do with viewing preferences and learning styles.
Look at the crowd at a WWE match. Thousands of people attend these. Deep down they all know that it's fake but they won't admit it. They love the emotional portion of it. There's some one to hate, and some one that's good. They cheer for the person they think is the good guy. They're told to do that. They want to do that.
How many in such a crowd do you think are liberal or independent?
There's a particular mindset of people that are drawn to this style of misinformation. If all networks were shut down, Olbermann would never gather the same following as Beck. If Beck was preaching to the left, he could never use such tactics as people on the left and middle are more likely to avoid the hate and misinformation.
Look at how many times on this board the left and middle will post years worth of data and factual information. Look at how often that happens from the right?
The spin is popular with a particular mindset of people. If Fox News started pushing liberal politics today, in 6 years 90% of their following would be voting for Joe Biden.
Most excellent post........... :thumbsup:
I have never really thought of it like that.........
I have been pondering making a thread about why some listen to "talk radio" & some watch cnn, msnbc, fox etc........
The question being, do listening or viewing those programs effect our views or is it actually like your WWF analogy, they go there cause it is what they wanna see & hear..
The question being, do listening or viewing those programs effect our views or is it actually like your WWF analogy, they go there cause it is what they wanna see & hear..
It's a combination.
They like the good vs. evil scenario. That's what the Old Testament was all about. Rarely do you find Christian pundits reciting Jesus or following the teaching of Jesus but they do focus on the good vs. evil part.
They are drawn to it and it provides them the emotion that they crave and the separation to make them feel smarter and better about themselves.
They can easily be led in any direction that the pundits chose. Take the Tea Party for example. Most of them voted for massively increasing spending and massively increasing the size of government when they were told to support it under Bush. As soon as Obama takes office, they're told that it's terrible and now everyone wants to cut the $1.2 trillion in annual budgetary spending that was added by Bush, which they voted for.
Once another PNAC member gets in office they'll be told again that massively increasing spending and the size of government is good and they'll follow along just as they always do.
How can anyone keep the myth that republicans are fiscally conservative when almost all the US debt was created by Reagan and the Bushies? It can only come from false information being fed to people that want to live the lie but the lie must be created for them.
Trinnity
09-14-2010, 11:26 PM
You sure sound like an insufferable know-it-all to me. A partisan one at that.
Just sayin'.
Bill Cosby
09-14-2010, 11:34 PM
You sure sound like an insufferable know-it-all to me. A partisan one at that.
Just sayin'.
Do you have an opinion on what he pointed out???
You sure sound like an insufferable know-it-all to me. A partisan one at that.
Just sayin'.
You can keep slinging insults all day. Since you love your Beck, I'm glad that you jumped in to help make my point clear.
Maybe one day you'll have enough information to offer something intelligent and factual to a discussion on one of the topics.
Trinnity
09-14-2010, 11:44 PM
Yes. His slant on things is colored by his partisanship.
Trinnity
09-14-2010, 11:45 PM
Moby, maybe someday you'll pull that stick out of your ass.
Moby, maybe someday you'll pull that stick out of your ass.
There you go again. Not capable of much else are you and proving my point a second time :thumbsup:
I've posted many facts and it just so happens that those facts don't support your belief. You're welcome to post your own facts to support your belief. The problem is that you have to find them and if they don't exist, well ....
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