Does America Really Hate All Muslims

[Fulltimer]

Is it the position of all Christians that Islam must be destroyed?

That appears to be the message we are sending to the world and it seems to be helping to recruit more suicide bombers and extremists to the cause of al Queda.

The Gainesville preacher has been joined by the Westboro Baptist preacher and they by fundementalist preachers across America to publically burn copies of the Quran on September 11 to show our hate for all Muslims and demonstrate the hate Christians have for Islamics.

A preacher in Tennessee will have a Quran burning tommorrow.
A preacher in Kansas will have a Quran burning tommorrow.
A preacher in Wyoming will burn the Quran on the Capitol steps.

Maybe as the fundementalists wish, these actions will serve notice to the Islamic world we are declaring war on their religon and not just on their governments and will start the all out religous wars they feel is needed to bring about the battles of Armageddon.

[Parade Rain]

Is it the position of all Christians that Islam must be destroyed?

That appears to be the message we are sending to the world and it seems to be helping to recruit more suicide bombers and extremists to the cause of al Queda.

The Gainesville preacher has been joined by the Westboro Baptist preacher and they by fundementalist preachers across America to publically burn copies of the Quran on September 11 to show our hate for all Muslims and demonstrate the hate Christians have for Islamics.

A preacher in Tennessee will have a Quran burning tommorrow.
A preacher in Kansas will have a Quran burning tommorrow.
A preacher in Wyoming will burn the Quran on the Capitol steps.

Maybe as the fundementalists wish, these actions will serve notice to the Islamic world we are declaring war on their religon and not just on their governments and will start the all out religous wars they feel is needed to bring about the battles of Armageddon.

What other message could possibly be gleaned?

[CosmicRocker]

Fundamentalists, and extremists both Christian and Muslim have an interest in keeping the hate going.

I'm glad I work weekends, no time for this nonscense.

[MintJulep]

Americans will not and should not tolerate their violence nor will they dictate what takes place on American soil.

Crazy Muslims around the world are threatening to cut, scrape and kill over a worthless murder manual. And you're concerned about what the world "thinks of us"?

LMAO

Now, that's funny. :lmao2:

[Fulltimer]

While our government is attempting to hold together a coalition of Muslim states to assist in our fight against terrorism and communism we have folks here wanting to destroy those alliances.

Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emerites, Qutar, Kuwait......I don't think we can go it alone against the whole of the Islamic world.

[nondual]

And you're concerned about what the world "thinks of us"?
No, I am concerned about idiots who want Americans to behave like cavemen. :mad:

[nondual]

While our government is attempting to hold together a coalition of Muslim states to assist in our fight against terrorism and communism we have folks here wanting to destroy those alliances.

Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emerites, Qutar, Kuwait......I don't think we can go it alone against the whole of the Islamic world.
All the progress done by our troops lost! Over 4,500 American troops wasted!

Go morons go! Go morons go!

[Fulltimer]

Well, I suppose we will wait to see if these radicals can indeed force the hand of God and bring about the Rapture through their actions.

As for me, When the Rapture happens I will be looking for a newer car. There should be plenty of late model luxury autos abandoned, empty, on the Interstate.

[nondual]

As for me, When the Rapture happens I will be looking for a newer car. There should be plenty of late model luxury autos abandoned, empty, on the Interstate.
:woohoo: :yay: :banana:

[MintJulep]

While our government is attempting to hold together a coalition of Muslim states to assist in our fight against terrorism and communism we have folks here wanting to destroy those alliances.

Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emerites, Qutar, Kuwait......I don't think we can go it alone against the whole of the Islamic world.If Islam is a religion of peace, explain why are they threatening to kill for burning paper.

[MintJulep]

No, I am concerned about idiots who want Americans to behave like cavemen. :mad:There is a stark difference between peacefully expressing an opinion and murder. One is a right, one is a crime.

[MintJulep]

Well, I suppose we will wait to see if these radicals can indeed force the hand of God and bring about the Rapture through their actions.

As for me, When the Rapture happens I will be looking for a newer car. There should be plenty of late model luxury autos abandoned, empty, on the Interstate.Dream on. It doesn't take a fundamental Christian to oppose savage behavior. Religion has nothing to do with my opinion on this.

[MichMike]

If Islam is a religion of peace, explain why are they threatening to kill for burning paper.


I think we've found a Catholic that hates "Dem' Darn Pickin' Muslims!!!!"


Let me explain something. Please blink hard before reading:

It is possible for a religion to be good and true despite the fact that a few wackos pretend to be practicing it. The Catholic religion is a GREAT example of this.

[MintJulep]

I think we've found a Catholic that hates "Dem' Darn Pickin' Muslims!!!!"


Let me explain something. Please blink hard before reading:

It is possible for a religion to be good and true despite the fact that a few wackos pretend to be practicing it. The Catholic religion is a GREAT example of this.I'm not Catholic.

[nondual]

If Islam is a religion of peace, explain why are they threatening to kill for burning paper.
It's just paper, right?

See?

:crazzy:

[MichMike]

I'm not Catholic.


Doesn't matter. Read the post again.

[MintJulep]

Doesn't matter. Read the post again.How many Catholics support pedophiles? Quantify it.

[MintJulep]

It's just paper, right?

See?

:crazzy:Why would anyone kill over a piece of paper? Perhaps you can explain.

[MichMike]

How many Catholics support pedophiles? Quantify it.

This has nothing to do with the point.

You, however, have quantified at 100% evidently...please see your ramblings below:

"If Islam is a religion of peace, explain why are they threatening to kill for burning paper."

[nondual]

There is a stark difference between peacefully expressing an opinion and murder. One is a right, one is a crime.
And Americans were always intolerant of other religions, just like as Muslim fundamentalists are... I know.

:crazzy:

[nondual]

Dream on. It doesn't take a fundamental Christian to oppose savage behavior. Religion has nothing to do with my opinion on this.
I thought it was all about your hate for ALL Muslims. :confused:

[slowhand]

How many Catholics support pedophiles? Quantify it.

Besides the diocese and the vatican..None of them

[nondual]

Why would anyone kill over a piece of paper? Perhaps you can explain.
You need that explained? REALLY? :lmao2:

:crazzy:

[MintJulep]

This has nothing to do with the point.

You, however, have qualified at 100% evidently...please see your ramblings below:

"If Islam is a religion of peace, explain why are they threatening to kill for burning paper."It does have something to do with the point. A LOT of Islamics support radical Islam's murders and believe they're justified. I don't know a single Catholic who supports pedophilia.

This explains why some alleged "peaceful" Muslims living here in the US are now making threats over their stupid book.

Religion of peace, my ass.

[2T]

You need that explained? REALLY? :lmao2:

:crazzy:


I heard a big WOOOOSH sound :lmao2:

[MintJulep]

You need that explained? REALLY? :lmao2:

:crazzy:No, I don't. They do it because they're uncivilized barbarians. I was wondering if you knew that, apparently you do.

[nondual]

No, I don't. They do it because they're uncivilized barbarians. I was wondering if you knew that, apparently you do.
:confused: :confused:

[MichMike]

It does have something to do with the point. A LOT of Islamics support radical Islam's murders and believe they're justified. I don't know a single Catholic who supports pedophilia.

This explains why some alleged "peaceful" Muslims living here in the US are now making threats over their stupid book.

Religion of peace, my ass.


First, you suggested ALL of Islamic followers believed in killing and now you don't? I just want to be clear.

Second, do you have any analysis proofing that there is a higher percentage of Islamic followers that support violence vs Catholic followers. Please provide the link to that scientific study. Thank you in advance.

[MintJulep]

First, you suggested ALL of Islamic followers believed in killing and now you don't? I just want to be clear. No, I don't believe "ALL" followers of Islam believe in killing.

Second, do you have any analysis proofing that there is a higher percentage of Islamic followers that support violence vs Catholic followers. Please provide the link to that scientific study. Thank you in advance. Gallup poll: 7% of Muslims believe 9/11 was justified.

http://media.gallup.com/WorldPoll/PDF/MWSRRadical022207.pdf

There is no radical faction of Catholicism that commits mass murder.

[MichMike]

No, I don't believe "ALL" followers of Islam believe in killing.

Gallup poll: 7% of Muslims believe 9/11 was justified.

http://media.gallup.com/WorldPoll/PDF/MWSRRadical022207.pdf

There is no radical faction of Catholicism that commits mass murder.



Soooooo....your opening comment was not consistent with your beliefs. Perhaps you could have suggested that the vast minority of Islamic followers believe in killing.

Regarding the "study' you cited, I didn't see a direct comparison to the Catholic religion.

[MintJulep]

Soooooo....your opening comment was not consistent with your beliefs. Perhaps you could have suggested that the vast minority of Islamic followers believe in killing. Yes, I should have qualified it.

Regarding the "study' you cited, I didn't see a direct comparison to the Catholic religion.Since radical Catholics typically do not commit violence, there are no incidents to poll the moderates on.

[nondual]

There is no radical faction of Catholicism that commits mass murder.
AND? Everybody here knows that!

If you know they are unreasonable and violent, why do you want to provoke them? What do you expect to achieve? Can you tell us, or is that a secret? Because no body can figure it out! :dunno:

[MichMike]

Yes, I should have qualified it.

Since radical Catholics typically do not commit violence, there are no incidents to poll the moderates on.


Good...the vast majority of Islamic followers are peaceful. We are aligned.

Is abuse of a young boy considered violence?

[MintJulep]

Good...the vast majority of Islamic followers are peaceful. We are aligned. Yes, but 84 million are not peaceful and they are scattered throughout the world.

Is abuse of a young boy considered violence?Yes.

[MichMike]

84 million are not peaceful and they are scattered throughout the world.

...and - as we should with the millions of violent Catholics - they must be brought to justice. Aligned again.

Yes.[/


Catholics - granted a minority - commit/support murder and abuse young kids. This is true with all religions and atheists. It's time to stop the bashing of religions and focusing on the people.

Save your campfire wood Mint...no need for a fire tonight.

[nondual]

Yes, but 84 million are not peaceful and they are scattered throughout the world.

Yes.
And al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations will be using the Koran burning video to recruit millions more. Are you satisfied?

Any deaths resulting from this idiocy will be on YOUR hands too.

[CosmicRocker]

And Americans were always intolerant of other religions, just like as Muslim fundamentalists are... I know.

:crazzy:
Let's get some facts straight. Muslims in this country have every right as any other religions. If they are US citizens, they get all the benefits, and the taxes too,

Things are not the same in Saudi Araibia, or other Moslem countries - i don't know all the details for each one, but for ex. wowmen have virtually no rights in Muslim countries.

But it's their country, run it as they see fit.
When we invade - for whaever reasons - we are interfering with their country.

On the whole the US is more tolerant, more likely to enforce equal rights.
-but we 've lost a lot of credit for it because we just have to "make the world safe" ect. blah , blah.

[MichMike]

I thought Mint might be intersted in this...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100910/ap_on_re_eu/church_abuse_belgium

[Trinnity]

According to an Imam who spoke on the radio here in NC, the last two translations of the Koran have all the hate and are not used by traditional Imams at all.
It's the Pan Islamic crowd using the hate version.

There's no mistaking there's a profound difference between peaceful Muslims and radicals. But there's a lot of radicals to contend with.

Fight the radicals who push violence, hate for America and all non Muslims, and Sharia Law. They're a great danger to everyone, even peaceful Muslims.

[MichMike]

Fight the radical and violent religious people of all types...I think that is what some are trying to say.

[Parade Rain]

According to an Imam who spoke on the radio here in NC, the last two translations of the Koran have all the hate and are not used by traditional Imams at all.
It's the Pan Islamic crowd using the hate version.

There's no mistaking there's a profound difference between peaceful Muslims and radicals. But there's a lot of radicals to contend with.

Fight the radicals who push violence, hate for America and all non Muslims, and Sharia Law. They're a great danger to everyone, even peaceful Muslims.

That's why we have laws.

A nutball fanatic can think and believe whatever the fuck s/he pleases; it's what s/he does that matters. Free speech means that said fanatic can 'push' violence and hate America all goddamn day.

Crimethink is something dreamed up by George Orwell. We don't need it in a civilized democracy.

Deal with it.

[Fulltimer]

Fight the radical and violent religious people of all types...I think that is what some are trying to say.

Amen!

:thumbsup:

[doctordog]

And al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations will be using the Koran burning video to recruit millions more. Are you satisfied?

Any deaths resulting from this idiocy will be on YOUR hands too.

Bullshit, so any deaths resulting from abortions are on your hands, got it:thumbsup:

[Trinnity]

Fight the radical and violent religious people of all types...I think that is what some are trying to say.And not just the religious ones. Gawd, those poor suffering people in N Korea......pitiful.

[nondual]

Bullshit, so any deaths resulting from abortions are on your hands, got it:thumbsup:
Death of embryos? Death of fetuses? Who cares! :lmao2:

We kill horses, don't we?

[Mason66]

Well, I suppose we will wait to see if these radicals can indeed force the hand of God and bring about the Rapture through their actions.

As for me, When the Rapture happens I will be looking for a newer car. There should be plenty of late model luxury autos abandoned, empty, on the Interstate.

Try to find a 4X4 so you can drive over the rubble.

A Range Rover would be best.

[Mason66]

Fight the radical and violent religious people of all types...I think that is what some are trying to say.

I agree with that however the radical Muslims have used the fact that Americans had hurt Muslims the world over as the reason for 9/11.

So according to them, if an American hurts a Muslim on the other side of the world it is OK to kill other Americans anywhere they find them, or in their own country.

Why would Muslims be upset with the fact that since Muslims hurt a lot of people on 9/11 people should hurt Muslims where ever they are found.

They can do it but nobody else?

[doctordog]

Death of embryos? Death of fetuses? Who cares! :lmao2:

We kill horses, don't we?

so humans equal horses, lunatic alert! NEXT

[nondual]

so humans equal horses, lunatic alert! NEXT
We kill chicken too. :)

[2T]

Try to find a 4X4 so you can drive over the rubble.

A Range Rover would be best.

the hummer was a good choice in zombieland

[Trinnity]

That's why we have laws.
A nutball fanatic can think and believe whatever the fuck s/he pleases; it's what s/he does that matters. Free speech means that said fanatic can 'push' violence and hate America all goddamn day.
Crimethink is something dreamed up by George Orwell. We don't need it in a civilized democracy.
Deal with it.Like they give a damn about our laws. :lmao2: Fool.

"Deal with it."
Ooooo, aren't you a bad-ass. :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[nondual]

Like they give a damn about our laws. :lmao2: Fool.

"Deal with it."
Ooooo, aren't you a bad-ass. :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:
Why do you think millions of wealthy Muslims send their kids to our schools? Why do you think they come here to stay and make a living?

Because they love America, that's why. If not, why else?

[Trinnity]

For the last time. I've made it clear there's a difference between peaceful Muslims and radicals. I have no issue with the peaceful ones.

Look at my sig, fool.
Don't bother me with that crap again, you illiterate fool. :talktothehand:

[Parade Rain]

For the last time. I've made it clear there's a difference between peaceful Muslims and radicals. I have no issue with the peaceful ones.

Look at my sig, fool.
Don't bother me with that crap again, you illiterate fool. :talktothehand:

Is this your idea of reasoned discourse?

There's a difference between backwards theocratic despotism and civilized democracy.

[nondual]

For the last time. I've made it clear there's a difference between peaceful Muslims and radicals. I have no issue with the peaceful ones.

Look at my sig, fool.
Don't bother me with that crap again, you illiterate fool. :talktothehand:
You love all peaceful Muslims but Iman Rauf... I know...

:hi:

[nondual]

Obama -- We don't differenciate, it isn't about us and them, it is about us.

Obama definitely gets it! :thumbsup:

[John Galt]

Obama -- We don't differenciate, it isn't about us and them, it is about us.

Obama definitely gets it! :thumbsup:
Now there's a peaceful muslim she hates

[doctordog]

That's why we have laws.

A nutball fanatic can think and believe whatever the fuck s/he pleases; it's what s/he does that matters. Free speech means that said fanatic can 'push' violence and hate America all goddamn day.

Crimethink is something dreamed up by George Orwell. We don't need it in a civilized democracy.

Deal with it.

Which is why we can burn all the fucking Qarans we choose to.

[Parade Rain]

Which is why we can burn all the fucking Qarans we choose to.

Yes, you can. The issue isn't about what is legal, or even 'right'. It's about being prepared to take responsibility for the consequences of one's actions.

There's a deep failure among the Republicans to connect dots.

Demonstrate hatred for muslims by burning their text = increased hatred from muslims around the world directed towards Americans.

See how easy that is?

Now, go see if there's another nutball somewhere planning a koran burning that you can celebrate with another thread here.

[nondual]

Which is why we can burn all the fucking Qarans we choose to.
Right, fuck the troops and all the progress they had done until now.

3 trillion dollars and 4,500 American lives just wasted in a whim.

Teabaggers are so fucking dumb! :mad:

That explains this!

Major Institutions

http://www.pollingreport.com/institut2.htm


The Tea Party movement

http://www.pollingreport.com/politics.htm


Sarah Palin

http://www.pollingreport.com/p.htm

[Trinnity]

You love all peaceful Muslims but Iman Rauf... I know...

:hi:He has an agenda, and it's not peace and love. It's power. Not my fault you don't get that. Time will tell.

[nondual]

He has an agenda, and it's not peace and love. It's power. Not my fault you don't get that. Time will tell.
Any citations? :lmao2:

[MintJulep]

84 million are not peaceful and they are scattered throughout the world.

...and - as we should with the millions of violent Catholics - they must be brought to justice. Aligned again. There are no violent factions of Catholicism.

Catholics - granted a minority - commit/support murder and abuse young kids. This is true with all religions and atheists. It's time to stop the bashing of religions and focusing on the people. A minority of Catholic priests are pedophiles, that is a sexual perversion, not actions based on their 'word of god'. You would never find an average Catholic family who would say they feel abusing children is fully justified.

One thing we can say with certainty, 7% of Muslims support murder by the purest practitioners of their religions, 0% of Catholics support murder by other members of their religion.

[MintJulep]

And al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations will be using the Koran burning video to recruit millions more. Are you satisfied?

Any deaths resulting from this idiocy will be on YOUR hands too.I'm not responsible for someone else committing murder. Place the blame where it belongs, with the ass backwards terrorists.

[MintJulep]

Obama -- We don't differenciate, it isn't about us and them, it is about us.

Obama definitely gets it! :thumbsup:Obama said he will stand with the Muslims if the political winds are against them and he is living up to it, taking sides with the Muslims and against the Americans. His allegiance is clearly with the Muslims so it is absolutely no surprise a large portion of the electorate think he's a Muslim.

[foxbaron]

Considering that their holy book tells them to convert us infidels or slay us with the sword can someone tell me how to tell the difference between the crazy ones and the quiet meek ones who may someday decide their so called god wants them to kill me because I won't convert?

Either they believe what their god tells them or they don't. Either they are a true Muslim or they are a cafeteria Muslim. How does one tell the difference?

How are we to know the hour and the day in which they decide to follow all tenets of their religin?

Their religion is not compatable with our culture as their religion is not just a religion but a way of life.

As long as they force their religion on others there will always be conflict.

As long as Muslim countries refuse to tolerate other religions in their midst there will be no peace.

In other words it is THEY who have declared a HOLY WAR on all other religions and then they cry about it when others are tired of being tolerant of them.

[Bill Cosby]

If Islam is a religion of peace, explain why are they threatening to kill for burning paper.

If Christianity is a religion of peace why are they burning paper??

IMHO the nuts doing this are no more representative of Christianity then self proclaiming Muslim nuts are of Islam.....

:dunno:

[Bill Cosby]

Considering that their holy book tells them to convert us infidels or slay us with the sword can someone tell me how to tell the difference between the crazy ones and the quiet meek ones who may someday decide their so called god wants them to kill me because I won't convert?

Either they believe what their god tells them or they don't. Either they are a true Muslim or they are a cafeteria Muslim. How does one tell the difference?

How are we to know the hour and the day in which they decide to follow all tenets of their religin?

Their religion is not compatable with our culture as their religion is not just a religion but a way of life.

As long as they force their religion on others there will always be conflict.

As long as Muslim countries refuse to tolerate other religions in their midst there will be no peace.

In other words it is THEY who have declared a HOLY WAR on all other religions and then they cry about it when others are tired of being tolerant of them.

I already told you.......... I think a couple times already.........

You really don't GUF about religion & all that......... YOu got no dog in this fight............. Go bash the Librarians, lord knows they are always up to no good......:lmao2:

[Lou_Dobbs]

Yes, you can. The issue isn't about what is legal, or even 'right'. It's about being prepared to take responsibility for the consequences of one's actions.

There's a deep failure among the Republicans to connect dots.

Demonstrate hatred for muslims by burning their text = increased hatred from muslims around the world directed towards Americans.

See how easy that is?

Now, go see if there's another nutball somewhere planning a koran burning that you can celebrate with another thread here.

I know what you're saying and agree.

But I can see why some people look at it like this:

Muslims(who were radicals) flew planes into our buildings and killed thousands of people. Now we're not suppost to burn a koran because if we do they might attack us?

I'm 100% against burning the Koran, I think it's pathetic and makes us all look bad and I still hold hope that people will come to their senses. I'm also 100% against terrorism and the people who choose to practice Islam by causing terror, hanging homosexuals, killing women, killing their own daughters because they are dating white guys(as has happend in Canada a few times). The Islam we see via the media is not one of peace but one of hate. The problem is that burning a Koran will only increase the number of people who practice it this way. The people who are burning it will be insulting FAR more good people than bad. The radicals are a tiny percentage and they are going to be able to say look the Americans really are as evil and horrible as we say. Why in the world would we want to insult the entire Muslim world? why would we want to insult generations of American Muslims?

How can anybody be for this?

[Bill Cosby]

I know what you're saying and agree.

But I can see why some people look at it like this:

Muslims(who were radicals) flew planes into our buildings and killed thousands of people. Now we're not suppost to burn a koran because if we do they might attack us?

I'm 100% against burning the Koran, I think it's pathetic and makes us all look bad and I still hold hope that people will come to their senses. I'm also 100% against terrorism and the people who choose to practice Islam by causing terror, hanging homosexuals, killing women, killing their own daughters because they are dating white guys(as has happend in Canada a few times). The Islam we see via the media is not one of peace but one of hate. The problem is that burning a Koran will only increase the number of people who practice it this way. The people who are burning it will be insulting FAR more good people than bad. The radicals are a tiny percentage and they are going to be able to say look the Americans really are as evil and horrible as we say. Why in the world would we want to insult the entire Muslim world? why would we want to insult generations of American Muslims?

How can anybody be for this?

:thumbsup:

Most excellent post & points Lou.............:D

[Mason66]

the hummer was a good choice in zombieland

Yes but if you watch Top Gear out of England you would know that build quailty, which would be very important in an after-the-end-of-the-world situation, is very low on the Hummer and very high on the Range Rover.

The Range Rovers were made to get across jungles and deserts while the Hummer was made to drive to a resturant in Beverly Hills.

[Frankg]

Is it the position of all Christians that Islam must be destroyed?

That appears to be the message we are sending to the world and it seems to be helping to recruit more suicide bombers and extremists to the cause of al Queda.

The Gainesville preacher has been joined by the Westboro Baptist preacher and they by fundementalist preachers across America to publically burn copies of the Quran on September 11 to show our hate for all Muslims and demonstrate the hate Christians have for Islamics.

A preacher in Tennessee will have a Quran burning tommorrow.
A preacher in Kansas will have a Quran burning tommorrow.
A preacher in Wyoming will burn the Quran on the Capitol steps.

Maybe as the fundementalists wish, these actions will serve notice to the Islamic world we are declaring war on their religon and not just on their governments and will start the all out religous wars they feel is needed to bring about the battles of Armageddon.

What do you expect to happen when the president of the United States supports building a ground zero victory mosque 2 blocks from the WTC ?

I don't support the Koran burning but this all on obama now , he lit the fuse.

[nondual]

What do you expect to happen when the president of the United States supports building a ground zero victory mosque 2 blocks from the WTC ?

I don't support the Koran burning but this all on obama now , he lit the fuse.
Why can't a mosque be built near GZ? Please explain...

Now, watch him disappear... :)

:dunno:

[Fulltimer]

What do you expect to happen when the president of the United States supports building a ground zero victory mosque 2 blocks from the WTC ?

I don't support the Koran burning but this all on obama now , he lit the fuse.

They own the building.

I would suppose they can use it for whatever they want.

In your world does the President of the United States of America rule on every local zoning case?

If so perhaps he should come down to my town and stop the apartment house going up down the road from me.

If he doesn't stop that damn apartment from being built I will burn a copy of Terry Jones book.

[nondual]

They own the building.

I would suppose they can use it for whatever they want.

In your world does the President of the United States of America rule on every local zoning case?

If so perhaps he should come down to my town and stop the apartment house going up down the road from me.

If he doesn't stop that damn apartment from being built I will burn a copy of Terry Jones book.
Don't be too hard on him, he's probably just a ten year old kid. :)

[Frankg]

They own the building.

I would suppose they can use it for whatever they want.

In your world does the President of the United States of America rule on every local zoning case?

If so perhaps he should come down to my town and stop the apartment house going up down the road from me.

If he doesn't stop that damn apartment from being built I will burn a copy of Terry Jones book.

This is not just a local zoning issue and the fact they own it is irrelevant.

Ground Zero is a place where 2892 american citizens were murdered and where many heros trying to save them died as well and we have a president in the white house who supports a victory mosque 2 blocks away.

That to me, is disgusting.

[Fulltimer]

This is not just a local zoning issue and the fact they own it is irrelevant.

Ground Zero is a place where 2892 american citizens were murdered and where many heros trying to save them died as well and we have a president in the white house who supports a victory mosque 2 blocks away.

That to me, is disgusting.


Ground Zero should be a national monument and as such be just like any other national park or monument.

If the old Burlington Coat Factory showroom is indeed a part of that national monument it cannot be owned by a private organization. The fact that it is owned by the church proves it is not a part of Ground Zero or a part of the national monument and as such is private property subject to the same rules that applies to any other piece of private property.

If the old Burlington Coat Factory showroom had any historical significence it would have been purchased and set aside as a historic site.

[nondual]

This is not just a local zoning issue and the fact they own it is irrelevant.

Ground Zero is a place where 2892 american citizens were murdered and where many heros trying to save them died as well and we have a president in the white house who supports a victory mosque 2 blocks away.

That to me, is disgusting.
American citizens of ALL backgrounds and religions. :thumbsup:

Understand?

[nondual]

This is not just a local zoning issue and the fact they own it is irrelevant.

Ground Zero is a place where 2892 american citizens were murdered and where many heros trying to save them died as well and we have a president in the white house who supports a victory mosque 2 blocks away.

That to me, is disgusting.
What about all the other stores and bars around GZ, should they be NOW closed?

Why now? Can you answer that one? :dunno:

[slowhand]

What do you expect to happen when the president of the United States supports building a ground zero victory mosque 2 blocks from the WTC ?

I don't support the Koran burning but this all on obama now , he lit the fuse.

One of the reasons why our forefathers fought the British for our independence was for freedom of religion

I know it was a long time ago, maybe you forgot

[MintJulep]

What about all the other stores and bars around GZ, should they be NOW closed?

Why now? Can you answer that one? :dunno:None of them are a monument to the killers, so no reason for them to be closed.

[John Galt]

None of them are a monument to the killers, so no reason for them to be closed.
This isn't a monument to killers either, and you know it.

Do you get paid time and a half to post on weekends?

[nondual]

None of them are a monument to the killers, so no reason for them to be closed.
:lmao2: Monument to killers...

See? You hate all Muslims, don't you? They are all killers, even NYC Muslims, right?

:crazzy: :crazzy: :crazzy:

[nondual]

This isn't a monument to killers either, and you know it.

Do you get paid time and a half to post on weekends?
She HATES all Muslims, she is a hater and a bigot. :mad:

[Hawkeye2j]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP2C0dCUD3A

[Bill Cosby]

This is not just a local zoning issue and the fact they own it is irrelevant.

Ground Zero is a place where 2892 american citizens were murdered and where many heros trying to save them died as well and we have a president in the white house who supports a victory mosque 2 blocks away.

That to me, is disgusting.

Yea that would be, if it were true......... But it's not........

You can call it a coat factor or a Mosque, or whatever makes you angrier...... I don't think they will be calling it that......

[Trinnity]

She HATES all Muslims, she is a hater and a bigot. :mad:That is so untrue. She doesn't. Your comment is abusive.

[Trinnity]

Given the history of the Ottoman empire, which the Pan Islamic movement is the modern incarnation of.....this ostentatious building gives the impression of a "victory mosque" to many informed people. Our openness and diversity is causing us to embrace "Trojan Horses". The terrs are trending toward recruiting Americans to do their dirty work now. Plus, the "soft Jihad" is working too. They're trying to make us "Sharia Law compliant". It's been said the center will be a Sharia Law teaching center among other things.
These are ways they will conquer us from within. We're setting ourselves up for it.

[nondual]

Given the history of the Ottoman empire, which the Pan Islamic movement is the modern incarnation of.....this ostentatious building gives the impression of a "victory mosque" to many informed people. Our openness and diversity is causing us to embrace "Trojan Horses". The terrs are trending toward recruiting Americans to do their dirty work now. Plus, the "soft Jihad" is working too. They're trying to make us "Sharia Law compliant". It's been said the center will be a Sharia Law teaching center among other things.
These are ways they will conquer us from within. We're setting ourselves up for it.
Tell me, what do we need Religion for when we have Science?

And that's what we need to teach all school children around the world.

See? It doesn't matter how many mosques there are, as long as we teach our children that's just religious superstition and fantasy, nothing to do with reality. There is no Promised Land, nor an Afterlife, those are physical impossibilities.

[nondual]

Teaching our children the truth would be much cheaper than spending 100 billion a year on useless, nonsensical wars.

[nondual]

That is so untrue. She doesn't. Your comment is abusive.
Do a search on the word muslim associated with her and read all her comments about Muslims.

[John Galt]

There is no Promised Land, nor an Afterlife, those are physical impossibilities.
Well now...now your straying into an area that you can't possibly prove one way or another.

If you haven't had any experiences with family/friends who've passed, you just aren't receptive to the possibility.

Energy is neither created, nor destroyed. It just moves from one level to another.

We are energy. Our body is the carafe, that that holds it.

Sunday is my day to discuss existentialism:D

[nondual]

Well now...now your straying into an area that you can't possibly prove one way or another.

If you haven't had any experiences with family/friends who've passed, you just aren't receptive to the possibility.

Energy is neither created, nor destroyed. It just moves from one level to another.

We are energy. Our body is the carafe, that that holds it.

Sunday is my day to discuss existentialism:D
I believe - as Judaism used to a thousand years ago - that there is a soul, sort of like poltergeists, but that it dissipates with time. It's like a drop of water dissolving into the ocean. But, if your memes are strong enough, they stay imprinted in the Noosphere, for all humans to tap into. :D That explains synchronicity and de-javu moments.

[MintJulep]

:lmao2: Monument to killers...

See? You hate all Muslims, don't you? They are all killers, even NYC Muslims, right?

:crazzy: :crazzy: :crazzy:I'm against a mosque at GZ, and that isn't changing.

I don't hate all Muslims but I have no affinity for the religion of Islam, no. It is no religion of peace. Being less than 1% of the population, they are outnumbered, so we don't have to deal with the routine murders Israel does. If they were the majority, it would be a completely different story.

[Trinnity]

Tell me, what do we need Religion for when we have Science?

And that's what we need to teach all school children around the world.

See? It doesn't matter how many mosques there are, as long as we teach our children that's just religious superstition and fantasy, nothing to do with reality. There is no Promised Land, nor an Afterlife, those are physical impossibilities.***You don't know what is possible.***


There's a problem with your premise. Many people believe, as I do, that there's a higher power. If there is indeed a higher power, and you teach children there is not, you have harmed them.
This is the problem I have with some atheists. Their disbelief is on a militant, combative level. I have seen them (on another site) literally demand that people of faith admit that God is a "fairy tale". I don't demand that you believe in God, just don't badger others for their faith.

Much hate and killing has been done in the name of religion. Christianity evolved from a focus on retribution for sins (old testament) to one based on forgiveness and living to be a good example to others (new testament).

I mentioned the other day that an Imam on local (Raleigh) radio said that the last two translations have been militant and advocating violence. He said that traditional Imams don't even teach from those versions. I find this interesting and would like to know if it's true. I will look for some info on that and I'd appreciate it if others here would look also.

[Trinnity]

I believe - as Judaism used to a thousand years ago - that there is a soul, sort of like poltergeists, but that it dissipates with time. It's like a drop of water dissolving into the ocean. But, if your memes are strong enough, they stay imprinted in the Noosphere, for all humans to tap into. :D That explains synchronicity and de-javu moments.So you've got it all figured out. Thanks for settling this complex issue for all time.
Now, work on "the meaning of life" and get back to me. :lmao2:

[nondual]

I'm against a mosque at GZ, and that isn't changing.

I don't hate all Muslims but I have no affinity for the religion of Islam, no. It is no religion of peace. Being less than 1% of the population, they are outnumbered, so we don't have to deal with the routine murders Israel does. If they were the majority, it would be a completely different story.
I see. :D So you believe that Palestinians kill Israelis because they are Muslim. WOW. That's quite a stupid statement!

How can anyone even reply to this nonsense, tell us?

[nondual]

***You don't know what is possible.***
Science tells me. Science always tells the truth, unlike your fagoty Pope.

There's a problem with your premise. Many people believe, as I do, that there's a higher power. If there is indeed a higher power, and you teach children there is not, you have harmed them.
God can neither think nor see until It turns into brains with eyes. :) My god knows as much as we do. There is no creator. As verified by science, the Universe creates itself.

This is the problem I have with some atheists. Their disbelief is on a militant, combative level. I have seen them (on another site) literally demand that people of faith admit that God is a "fairy tale". I don't demand that you believe in God, just don't badger others for their faith.
I am not an atheist, I believe that God IS the Universe itself, and science confirms it.

[MintJulep]

I see. :D So you believe that Palestinians kill Israelis because they are Muslim. WOW. That's quite a stupid statement!

How can anyone even reply to this nonsense, tell us?Islamics do not acknowledge Israel's right to exist and want to kill every Jew on the planet. They strap bombs on their 5 year olds and send them into Israeli villages.

Nothing is more stupid than defending ass backwards barbarism. Zoo animals are more civilized than Koranimals. :lmao2:

[nondual]

Islamics do not acknowledge Israel's right to exist and want to kill every Jew on the planet. They strap bombs on their 5 year olds and send them into Israeli villages.

Nothing is more stupid than defending ass backwards barbarism. Zoo animals are more civilized than Koranimals. :lmao2:
That's not why Palestinians kill Jews.

[nondual]

So you've got it all figured out. Thanks for settling this complex issue for all time.
Now, work on "the meaning of life" and get back to me. :lmao2:
As cybernetic systems go from state to state, these will keep or reject data depending on its usefulness, in other words, depending on its meaning or significance. Self-replication, learning, memory, self-organization, etc., all depend on process, and for these mechanisms to work, these systems must go from one state to the next, as the wave function collapses, each collapse, each wave-front, representing a new state, each state representing actuality, or the now moment. The particle being in a rock-like state only during this moment, however brief that moment may be. At each moment, each particle having its own wavelength, wave-phase, frequency (or energy), etc. Meaning being discerned through a mechanism of wave superposition, or parallel information processing, which acts from top to bottom and bottom to top, all at once. Meaning being intrinsic to sentience.

Material systems will use only that information which contains meaning to them, or, meaningful information. Whatever happens here on Earth has meaning only to us humans, and we, as Nature's top product, are responsible.

We can't use subjectivity to understand or explain objective reality. Love, purpose... these things have meaning to us, but neither Science, nor the Universe, cares about what they mean. To understand and explain reality we must look at it in an objective way, and the facts say that the Aether... God... Mind... Consciousness... or whatever, is just a thing with no purpose. It can neither see nor think... until process turns it into brains with eyes. We see and think for it, and we like it and want to continue, that is where purpose comes from. We have purpose, the Aether does not.

In his book Answer to Job, Carl Jung wrote:

"The importance of consciousness is so great that one cannot help suspecting the element of meaning to be concealed somewhere within all the monstrous, apparently senseless biological turmoil, and that the road to its manifestation was ultimately found on the level of warm-blooded vertebrates possessed of a differentiated brain - found as if by chance, unintended and unforeseen, and yet somehow sensed, felt and groped for out of some dark urge."

[Trinnity]

Science tells me. Science always tells the truth, unlike your fagoty Pope.I'm not Catholic, I'm Lutheran. The Lutheran Church is a very friendly group, that has a big, big, emphasis on charitable support of the local community.God can neither think nor see until It turns into brains with eyes. :) My god knows as much as we do. There is no creator. As verified by science, the Universe creates itself.You don't know what you don't know.I am not an atheist, I believe that God IS the Universe itself, and science confirms it.Believe what you want, but don't try to shove your beliefs done someone else's throat. That's how you come across.

[MintJulep]

That's not why Palestinians kill Jews.Sure it is. You're clearly a victim of propaganda. The Jews could give them every piece of land there and they'd still want to kill every one.

Hey, I bet you think that terrorist float was a humanitarian mission, right? :lmao2:

[nondual]

You don't know what you don't know.
Right, but I know what I know. ;)

Believe what you want, but don't try to shove your beliefs done someone else's throat. That's how you come across.
Weak, that's how you come across.

[nondual]

Sure it is. You're clearly a victim of propaganda. The Jews could give them every piece of land there and they'd still want to kill every one.
Some of them... maybe.

What do think about Zionism?

Hey, I bet you think that terrorist float was a humanitarian mission, right? :lmao2:
What else could it be? :dunno:

[Trinnity]

Right, but I know what I know. ;)


Weak, that's how you come across.
Ignorant and arrogant, that's how you come across. Oh, and you have the worst potty mouth on the site.--->Just statin' a fact.

[Parade Rain]

Well now...now your straying into an area that you can't possibly prove one way or another.

If you haven't had any experiences with family/friends who've passed, you just aren't receptive to the possibility.

Energy is neither created, nor destroyed. It just moves from one level to another.

We are energy. Our body is the carafe, that that holds it.

Sunday is my day to discuss existentialism:D

I think I'm gonna barf. :lmao2:

[nondual]

Ignorant and arrogant, that's how you come across.
Petulant! As ROOK would say. :hi:

[John Galt]

I think I'm gonna barf. :lmao2:
I think I just threw up in my mouth

[MintJulep]

I think I just threw up in my mouthThat happens when you drink 24/7.

[John Galt]

That happens when you drink 24/7.
I don't know about that....I don't drink.

Are you speaking from first hand knowledge?

[Trinnity]

Hey, I bet you think that terrorist float was a humanitarian mission, right?
What else could it be? :dunno:

Klein: Ayers, Dohrn top activists in Gaza flotilla group

May 31, 2010 by Brenda J. Elliott
Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Gaza, 12/31/09

Aaron Klein, Jerusalem bureau chief for World Net Daily, reports from New York:

The group behind the Gaza flotilla that engaged in deadly clashes with Israeli commandoes today counts among its top activists Weather Underground terrorist founders William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn as well as Jodie Evans, the leader of the radical activist organization Code Pink.

Ayers and Dohrn were close associates for years with President Obama, while Evans was a fundraiser and financial bundler for Obama’s presidential campaign.

Earlier today, Israeli navy commandos raided the six-ship flotilla, encountering heavy resistance and live fire from the activists. Nine activists were killed and dozens of others were reportedly injured, as were several of the Israeli commandoes.

The flotilla was organized by the Free Gaza Movement, a coalition of leftist human rights activists and pro-Palestinian groups engaged in attempts to break a blockade imposed by Israel on the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.

Ayers, Dohrn and Evans’ Code Pink have led several recent Free Gaza Movement initiatives, including attempted marches into the Gaza Strip. Dorhn was in the Middle East just last month on behalf of the movement.

In January, WND reported Ayers, Dohrn and Evans were involved in provoking chaos on the streets of Egypt in an attempt to enter Gaza with the Free Gaza Movement to join in solidarity with the territory’s population and leadership.

The three helped to stir riots after the Egyptian government refused to allow a large number of protesters to enter neighboring Gaza. Eventually, the protesters accepted an Egyptian offer of allowing about 100 marchers into Gaza. Once in the territory, those marchers were reportedly met on the Gaza side by Hamas’ former Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh.

During the time of the January march, Sen. John Kerry wrote a letter in support of a “humanitarian delegation from Massachusetts” to Gaza.

Members of the Ayers, Dohrn and Evans group documented on their blogs how Kerry’s letter was used at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo while attempting to pressure Egypt to let their group into Gaza,

Images of the letter were posted on the Electronic Intifada website run by Ali Abunimah, who was with Evans group in Egypt. WND previously reported Obama spoke at pro-Palestinian events in the 1990s alongside Abunimah. In one such event, a 1999 fundraiser for Palestinian “refugees,” Abunimah recalls introducing Obama on stage.

Kerry’s office previously met with Code Pink members, WND has learned. Sarah Roche-Mahdi of Code Pink also is a member of the United for Peace and Justice Palestine Task Force, which met with Kerry’s staffers.

Kerry last year became the most senior U.S. politician to visit the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, although at the time he did not meet with Hamas leaders.

Dohrn later wrote on a blog that she was briefly detained at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo following the January protests there by her group.

“Bill and I went to the American Embassy at 10 a.m. and asked to see the Ambassador. We were ushered into a holding pen a block away from the embassy building where we joined 35 people already there, surrounded by Egyptian soldiers,” she wrote.

Deadly clashes

Israeli Naval Forces intercepted the flotilla today attempting to break the maritime closure of the Gaza Strip.

An Israel Defense Forces spokesperson told WND commandoes boarded the ships after numerous warnings from Israel requested the ships redirect toward the Israeli port of Ashdod where they would be able to unload their aid supplies, which could then be transferred to the Gaza Strip after undergoing security inspections.

During the boarding of one of the ships, the Marmara, activists onboard attacked IDF Naval personnel with live fire and light weaponry including knives and clubs, the IDF spokesperson said.

“The demonstrators had clearly prepared their weapons in advance for this specific purpose,” said the spokesperson.

“As a result of this life-threatening and violent activity, naval forces first employed riot dispersal means, followed by live fire,” the spokesperson said.

“IDF naval personnel encountered severe violence, including use of weaponry prepared in advance in order to attack them,” said the IDF spokesperson.

The IDF released a YouTube video clearly showing activists attacking Israeli commandoes, including with live fire.

Close Obama associates

Evans formed Code Pink, a far-left activist organization, in 2002 to protest America’s war in Iraq. The group previously met with Hamas and with leaders of the Taliban. Evans was a fundraiser and financial bundler for Obama’s presidential campaign.

Abunimah traveled in some of the same political circles as Obama in the 1990s. Abunimah previously described meeting with Obama at a fundraiser at the home of Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, reportedly a former PLO activist. Khalidi was also a close associate of Obama.

“[Obama] came with his wife. That’s where I had a chance to really talk to him,” Abunimah recalled. “It was an intimate setting. He convinced me he was very aware of the issues [and] critical of U.S. bias toward Israel and lack of sensitivity to Arabs. … He was very supportive of U.S. pressure on Israel.

According to quotes obtained by Gulf News, Abunimah recalled a 2004 meeting in a Chicago neighborhood while Obama was running for his Senate seat. Abunimah quoted Obama telling him “warmly” he was sorry that “I haven’t said more about Palestine right now, but we are in a tough primary race.”

“I’m hoping when things calm down, I can be more up front,” Abunimah reportedly quoted the senator as saying.

Abunimah said Obama urged him to “keep up the good work” at the Chicago Tribune, where Abunimah contributed guest columns that were highly critical of Israel.

Ayers, meanwhile, became a name in last year’s presidential campaign when it was disclosed the radical worked closely with Obama for years.

Ayers helped launch Obama’s political career with a fundraiser in his home. Obama served on the board of a Chicago nonprofit alongside Ayers. The terrorist later hired Obama to serve as chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a job Obama later cited as experience that helped qualify him to run for public office.

While at the CAC, Obama and Ayers both granted funds to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN.

WND columnist Jack Cashill has produced a series of persuasive arguments that it was Ayers who ghostwrote Obama’s award-winning autobiography, “Dreams from My Father.”

Ayers and Dohrn were two of the main founders of the Weather Underground, which bombed the New York City Police headquarters in 1970, the Capitol in 1971 and the Pentagon in 1972. The group was responsible for some 30 bombings aimed at destroying the defense and security infrastructures of the U.S.

Characterizing the Weather Underground as “an American Red Army,” Ayers summed up the organization’s ideology: “Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, Kill your parents.”

“Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon,” Ayers recalled in his 2001 memoir, “Fugitive Days.” “The sky was blue. The birds were singing. And the bastards were finally going to get what was coming to them.”

Ayers brandished his unrepentant radicalism for years to come, as evidenced by his now notorious 2001 interview with the New York Times, published one day after the 9/11 attacks, in which he stated, “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.”

Ayers posed for a photograph accompanying the New York Times piece that showed him stepping on an American flag. He said of the U.S.: “What a country. It makes me want to puke.”
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2010/05/31/klein-ayers-dohrn-top-activists-in-gaza-flotilla-group/
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Barack Obama’s close family friends, terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, and top campaign bundler Jodie Evans from Code Pink are top activists with the Gaza flotilla group that attacked the IDF today. ...
newledger.com/2010/05/blood-libel-against-israel/
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Israel had every right, and indeed, a responsibility to prevent the flotilla from getting any closer to Gaza. Egypt and Cyprus, interestingly enough, refused to allow the flotilla entrance into their ports. But you won't hear the mainstream media say a word about it.

The entire operation, going under the guise of a 'humanitarian peace mission' to Gaza, is actually a terrorist operation from top to bottom.

2 groups are a part of this Turkish based flotilla. One is called 'Free Gaza.'

And the primary personnel involved in 'Free Gaza'? American domestic terrorist William Ayers and his wife, Bernadine Dohrn. The two were involved in the bombing of federal buildings during the 1960s and the murder of a police officer.

Another American involved in the group is none other than Jodie Evans, the leader of the Leftist radical group called 'Code Pink.'

It was Ayers, by the way, who launched Barack Obama's political career in his living room in Chicago during the 1990s.

Another key fact that is ignored as the screaming anti-Israeli fanatics around the world have a propaganda field-day is that both Israel and Egypt offered to take the 'humanitarian aid' off the flotilla in order to dispatch it to Gaza, if the flotilla would agree to turn around and leave rather than broach the blockade.

The flotilla refused.
http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/glenn-beck-exposes-terrorists-behind-peace-flotilla-gaza
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There's 3 citations for ya. Spin that.

[nondual]

Klein: Ayers, Dohrn top activists in Gaza flotilla group

May 31, 2010 by Brenda J. Elliott
Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Gaza, 12/31/09

Aaron Klein, Jerusalem bureau chief for World Net Daily, reports from New York:

The group behind the Gaza flotilla that engaged in deadly clashes with Israeli commandoes today counts among its top activists Weather Underground terrorist founders William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn as well as Jodie Evans, the leader of the radical activist organization Code Pink.
I know, I'm so proud of them! :hero: :happy: