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Mr, gone
09-10-2010, 03:29 AM
A sign of the trying times happening now and in the future.:(

NEW YORK – The number of U.S. children being raised by their grandparents rose sharply as the recession began, according to a new analysis of census data. The reasons, while somber, were not all economic.

These grandparents often give themselves high marks as caregivers, but many face distinctive stresses as they confront unanticipated financial burdens and culture shock that come with the responsibilities of child-raising.

In all, roughly 7 million U.S. children live in households that include at least one grandparent, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of the most recent Census Bureau data, from 2008. Of that number, 2.9 million were being raised primarily by their grandparents — up 16 percent from 2000, with a 6 percent surge just from 2007 to 2008.

"Clearly something was going on" in those years, said Pew senior researcher Gretchen Livingston, a co-author of Thursday's analysis. "We don't have the data to explicitly state that this is related to recession, but it's a very educated guess."

Reasons for grandparents taking over child-rearing duties are manifold — often involving a single parent who becomes overwhelmed with financial problems, is incarcerated, succumbs to illness or substance abuse, or dies. High rates of divorce and teen pregnancies fuel the phenomenon, as do long overseas deployments confronting some parents in the military.

"It's almost inevitable that there is some stress around the reason these grandparents and grandchildren come together," said Donna Butts, executive director of the nonprofit advocacy group Generations United.

"You're talking about older adults who have agreed to make some sacrifice in their life, and they need to have some support and respect," Butts said. "There are a lot of emotions that the children and the grandparents experience — an anger, a loss of their traditional role."

Roberta Jackson of Winston-Salem, N.C., went through that sort of emotional wringer eight years ago when she agreed to raise her grandson, Drew, who was 6 at the time, after his mother became incapacitated by bipolar disorder.

"When he came to live with me, I had just retired," said Jackson, 63. "I had raised six children of my own, and I wanted to do what I wanted. Drew didn't want to be with me, and I really didn't want to be responsible for him."

For several years, Jackson said, Drew proved to be a disciplinary challenge — "The more rules I laid down, the more rebellious he got."

But she enrolled the two of them in counseling sessions, got support from local agencies and sought out a host of activities for Drew, including a Big Brothers Big Sisters program and a youth football league. Drew, who will turn 15 later this month, has improved his grades, and his grandmother hopes he's on track to go to college.

"We've become partners now," she said. "We've learned to trust each other."

Jackson is African-American and single. Overall, according to the Pew center, 34 percent of grandparent caregivers are unmarried and 62 percent are women.

The phenomenon of grandparents raising grandchildren has been proportionally higher among blacks and Hispanics than among whites, but the sharpest rise from 2007 to 2008 was among whites, with a 9 percent jump, according to Pew.

In all, 53 percent of the grandparent caregivers are white, 24 percent are black, and 18 percent Hispanic.

According to the Pew Center, most grandparents give themselves high marks for the role they are playing in their grandchildren's lives — with a majority saying they are doing a very good or excellent job and fewer than 10 percent rating themselves at "fair" or "poor."

The American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry notes that many children living with grandparents enter that arrangement with preexisting problems stemming from abuse, neglect, prenatal exposure to drugs and alcohol, and loss of their parents.

"Many grandparents in this caretaking role underestimate or are unaware of the added burdens their new role as 'parents' will place upon them," warns the academy. It urges these grandparents to seek support and assistance from other family members, clergy, social agencies and mental health professionals.

In New York City, an array of special services are available onsite at a 50-unit apartment building in the Bronx specifically designed for grandparents raising grandchildren. There are support groups and counseling for the elders; art and academic programs for the kids.

Financed by Presbyterian Senior Services and the West Side Federation for Senior and Supportive Housing, the building has a long waiting list of more families wishing to get in.

Among the tenants is Annie Barnes, 67, who is raising two teens placed in her custody in 1994 when their father — Barnes' son — was fatally stabbed.

Back in 2005, when the apartment building opened and Barnes and her grandchildren moved in, she reflected on the turn her life had taken.

"When I turned 50 I wanted to do things for myself and travel places," she told the Gotham Gazette at the time. "I had to put my plan on hold to provide for my grandchildren."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_grandparent_parents

Trinnity
09-10-2010, 03:43 AM
My county has one of the highest teen preg rates in the state. They get preg young and often, and dump them on their moms. Disgusting.
You can get birth control pills for free. There's no excuse for all that screwin' up.
What the hell's wrong with them????

Fulltimer
09-10-2010, 03:52 AM
My granddaughter lives with us. We are helping her get through college.
Her dad, my son in law, lives here too.
Her daughter, my Great Granddaughter, lives with us as well and has all her life.

My 99 year old mother in law lives with us too.

Right now there are 5 generations that call my place home. It is wonderful!

I retired when I was 48 years old and we had 7 years of total freedom and will again one day.
We still have our 5th wheel parked beside the house and both Mary and I plan to go back on the road fulltime one day but right now the needs of our family is more important.

Fulltimer
09-10-2010, 10:32 PM
I guess I am the only grandparent with grandkids at home here.

When I was about 6 years old I started waking in the middle of the night convinced I was the only person awake in the whole world. It was a lonely feeling and I thought I must stay awake and guard the night until someone else awoke to stand watch.

We lived on a small farm a short distance from the railroad tracks and every night a train would come through town. I would hear it when it came into town and tooted the whistle at the first crossing. I would listen to it as it came through and when it had passed I would then relax and go back to sleep secure in the knowledge that there was another person awake to take over the night watch.

When I was 10 my family sold the farm and moved into town too far from the tracks to hear the train. I had built my first crystal radio from a safety pin, razor blade, wire and a toliet paper roll. The antenna was a wire going through the screen and tacked to the window frame outside.

For the next few years when I waked late at night I would put the headphone on and tune the radio to an all night program. When I would hear the voice on the radio I could then turn the watch over to the person on the radio and go back to sleep.

I learned that there was always someone somewhere awake as I got older and no longer worried that I was responsible for guarding the night.

Now when I hear my great granddaughter cry out in the night I know I must hurry to reassure her there is another awake and watching over the night for her so she can rest without worry.

She turned two years old last week.

foxbaron
09-10-2010, 11:11 PM
My granddaughter lives with us. We are helping her get through college.
Her dad, my son in law, lives here too.
Her daughter, my Great Granddaughter, lives with us as well and has all her life.

My 99 year old mother in law lives with us too.

Right now there are 5 generations that call my place home. It is wonderful!

I retired when I was 48 years old and we had 7 years of total freedom and will again one day.
We still have our 5th wheel parked beside the house and both Mary and I plan to go back on the road fulltime one day but right now the needs of our family is more important.


Most folks would consider what you are going through as a burden. I think that it is GREAT because the younguns' get to know their elders, talk with them, learn from them and love them and be loved in return. They learn family history, what their parents, grandparents and great grandparents went through and what family actually means and what makes our society stable.

It solidifies family ties. It is a refuse from the world and it gives the little ones someone to run to for help when mom and dad are pissed. The more grandparents and great grandparents around, the more cookies that are made. The more fun the holidays are, especially Christmas. The more birthdays mean something.

You could probably teach the Waltons a few things.

Family is everything. Nobody else gives a rats ass about ya. Family will always be there, even when they don't want to, because you are family. That is what families ar all about. Enjoy every minute of it because once they all grow up it will get awfully quiet and there is nothing worse than "quiet".

Bedlam is best.

slowhand
09-10-2010, 11:19 PM
My county has one of the highest teen preg rates in the state. They get preg young and often, and dump them on their moms. Disgusting.
You can get birth control pills for free. There's no excuse for all that screwin' up.
What the hell's wrong with them????

Gee..I dont know?..Lets ask Sarah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEZITdTFfPY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEZITdTFfPY)

Trinnity
09-11-2010, 09:42 AM
Gee..I dont know?..Lets ask Sarah
I don't see Bristol dumping her baby on her mom and hauling ass til the next birth.
Yet these teen in my county have one after another, and their back out parting asap. :woohoo:

Two different situations, airhead. :rolleyes:

slowhand
09-11-2010, 12:14 PM
I don't see Bristol dumping her baby on her mom and hauling ass til the next birth.
Yet these teen in my county have one after another, and their back out parting asap. :woohoo:

Two different situations, airhead. :rolleyes:

You went on a rant about there being no excuse for teenagers not utilizing birth control, because it is available and free

Palin's daughter got knocked up because she didnt use birth control, and the video I posted is of Palin stating that she is against birth control

Get with the program

Pat
09-11-2010, 12:20 PM
You went on a rant about there being no excuse for teenagers not utilizing birth control, because it is available and free

Palin's daughter got knocked up because she didnt use birth control, and the video I posted is of Palin stating that she is against birth control

Get with the program
<Begin sarcasm>
Obviously your one example describes everybody from the conservative side of the aisle. Such astute analysis on your part. You should work for a think tank.
<End sarcasm>

slowhand
09-11-2010, 12:37 PM
<Begin sarcasm>
Obviously your one example describes everybody from the conservative side of the aisle. Such astute analysis on your part. You should work for a think tank.
<End sarcasm>

Sarah Palin..True story..........

Trinnity
09-11-2010, 05:22 PM
You went on a rant about there being no excuse for teenagers not utilizing birth control, because it is available and free

Palin's daughter got knocked up because she didnt use birth control, and the video I posted is of Palin stating that she is against birth control

Get with the programYou brought her into the discussion to harass. I won't give you the time of day for such mischief. Carry your ass.

Parade Rain
09-11-2010, 05:34 PM
You brought her into the discussion to harass. I won't give you the time of day for such mischief. Carry your ass.

Taking something TOPIC-RELATED and turning it into a personal thing. In Trinn's world, this is known as "Doing my part".

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=235594&postcount=8

Trinnity
09-11-2010, 05:53 PM
Taking something TOPIC-RELATED and turning it into a personal thing. In Trinn's world, this is known as "Doing my part".

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=235594&postcount=8Trolling again - you'll never change.

Parade Rain
09-11-2010, 05:54 PM
Trolling again - you'll never change.

I'll always find blind hypocrisy hilarious, you're right. :lmao2:

MintJulep
09-11-2010, 06:01 PM
I guess I am the only grandparent with grandkids at home here.

When I was about 6 years old I started waking in the middle of the night convinced I was the only person awake in the whole world. It was a lonely feeling and I thought I must stay awake and guard the night until someone else awoke to stand watch.

We lived on a small farm a short distance from the railroad tracks and every night a train would come through town. I would hear it when it came into town and tooted the whistle at the first crossing. I would listen to it as it came through and when it had passed I would then relax and go back to sleep secure in the knowledge that there was another person awake to take over the night watch.

When I was 10 my family sold the farm and moved into town too far from the tracks to hear the train. I had built my first crystal radio from a safety pin, razor blade, wire and a toliet paper roll. The antenna was a wire going through the screen and tacked to the window frame outside.

For the next few years when I waked late at night I would put the headphone on and tune the radio to an all night program. When I would hear the voice on the radio I could then turn the watch over to the person on the radio and go back to sleep.

I learned that there was always someone somewhere awake as I got older and no longer worried that I was responsible for guarding the night.

Now when I hear my great granddaughter cry out in the night I know I must hurry to reassure her there is another awake and watching over the night for her so she can rest without worry.

She turned two years old last week. Good on you, FT. You sound like a caring grandfather.

Thanks for sharing.

slowhand
09-11-2010, 06:18 PM
You brought her into the discussion to harass. I won't give you the time of day for such mischief. Carry your ass.

Why dont you put me on ignore, and keep me on ignore, and then you wont have to fall victim to my "mischief"

Parade Rain
09-11-2010, 06:19 PM
Why dont you put me on ignore, and keep me on ignore, and then you wont have to fall victim to my "mischief"

Damn, you are POWERFUL. :lmao2:

John Galt
09-11-2010, 06:28 PM
I guess I am the only grandparent with grandkids at home here.

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Great story. I'm surprised by the OP. It only addresses the negative side of this issue.

Granted, the family unit has long been broken in this country, but that's fodder for another thread.

Growing up in NYC, my grandmother lived two flights down from us in the same apt. bldg.

She was a huge part of our upbringing, even though only dad worked.

She would babysit us, and yes...her presence kept long held family traditions intact.


Shit happens. Right now, my screwball little sister is living with her kids/grandchild in my 87 year old father's house.

Similar scenario to yours. At his age, it's supposed to be mutually beneficial, but I believe it is my sister who needs the help more than he.



I'm sure you are happy to have your family so close, and the 'normalcy' the young uns experience will be handed down to future generations long after you're gone.

John Galt
09-11-2010, 06:33 PM
You went on a rant about there being no excuse for teenagers not utilizing birth control, because it is available and free

Palin's daughter got knocked up because she didnt use birth control, and the video I posted is of Palin stating that she is against birth control

Get with the program
Birth control is a sin to the Xtians.

For those who choose to take advantage of free birth control, they may very well take their life in their hands when they go to planned parenthood.

You never know when a fundy will blow the place up.

And then there's always the nutjob from Nevada who believes that rape babies are 'part of god's plan'.


Why we have so many parentless children in this nation varies from region to region.

Of course, the judgement of these people is rather predictable.

Trinnity
09-11-2010, 06:58 PM
Birth control is a sin to the Xtians.Wrong, just to Catholics. Maybe some other sects, but not to Christians in general.

John Galt
09-11-2010, 07:13 PM
Wrong, just to Catholics. Maybe some other sects, but not to Christians in general.
Yep...you're right.

I never understood why they never changed that...they don't need armies anymore.

Many religions are set up to keep mothers pregnant.

In Judaism, they teach that women are 'dirty' when they menstruate.

There are bath houses, with special prayers for that time of the month.


Figures...they'd create a stigma, about the only time it would be safe to have sex.

Always about increasing the numbers.

slowhand
09-11-2010, 10:08 PM
Damn, you are POWERFUL. :lmao2:

The way I see it is, why bother putting somebody on ignore, if they're gonna peek?


"I gots to know"

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4IqAMwAGn1w/SBnddTpST2I/AAAAAAAABl0/46b_tRJ8u3E/s400/clint-eastwood-dirty-harry.JPG

slowhand
09-11-2010, 10:37 PM
Birth control is a sin to the Xtians.

For those who choose to take advantage of free birth control, they may very well take their life in their hands when they go to planned parenthood.

You never know when a fundy will blow the place up.

And then there's always the nutjob from Nevada who believes that rape babies are 'part of god's plan'.


Why we have so many parentless children in this nation varies from region to region.

Of course, the judgement of these people is rather predictable.

There are more denominations of Christianity than Carter's got pills, from the civilized, to the whacko extremists..And some of them go beyond worshiping God, to thinking they are God, and thats when they start doing bizzare shit..Blowing up abortion clinics, denying their children medical treatment, drinking poison Kool Aid, Catholics and Protestants killing each other in Ireland, burning the Koran, Falwell saying we got what we deserved on 9/11, starving children to death, and then theres the Westboro crackpots, who would probably put a contract out on Santa Claus

Its amazing how so many people can read the same book, and get anything from peace, to justified violence out of it, and some of them are under the premise they have been "saved"

What I want to know is, who is gonna save us from them?

Pat
09-11-2010, 10:39 PM
I have everybody on ignore, so the entire board looks like this,
This post is blocked because you have the user on ignore.

John Galt
09-12-2010, 06:27 AM
I have everybody on ignore, so the entire board looks like this,
Makes for a shitload of posts on one page

doctordog
09-12-2010, 02:59 PM
You brought her into the discussion to harass. I won't give you the time of day for such mischief. Carry your ass.

never mind that that idiot in charge now spent more time at grandma's than anywhere else.