Senate Vote Shows Who Doesn't Support Troops

[radioguy]

Here is the text of the amendment voted on in the Senate:

"To express the sense of the Senate that General David H. Petraeus, Commanding General, Multi-National Force-Iraq, deserves the full support of the Senate and strongly condemn personal attacks on the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all members of the United States Armed Forces."

The vote passed 72-25, with all republicans voting "yes". Let's see some of those who voted "No" to supporting the troops.

Boxer - No surprise.
Byrd - The democrats KKK buddy.
Clinton - She wants to be commander in chief of our military?
Durbin - This clown compares our troops to Nazi and communist troops, so...
Kennedy - He prefers killing young women rather than terrorists
Kerry - How ironic. He was the only one to condemn the Moveon ad, now he "flip-flops"
Reid - He called them losers months ago, so no shocker here.

http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00344

[Moby]

Here is the text of the amendment voted on in the Senate:

"To express the sense of the Senate that General David H. Petraeus, Commanding General, Multi-National Force-Iraq, deserves the full support of the Senate and strongly condemn personal attacks on the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all members of the United States Armed Forces."

The vote passed 72-25, with all republicans voting "yes". Let's see some of those who voted "No" to supporting the troops.

Boxer - No surprise.
Byrd - The democrats KKK buddy.
Clinton - She wants to be commander in chief of our military?
Durbin - This clown compares our troops to Nazi and communist troops, so...
Kennedy - He prefers killing young women rather than terrorists
Kerry - How ironic. He was the only one to condemn the Moveon ad, now he "flip-flops"
Reid - He called them losers months ago, so no shocker here.

http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00344
Oh no! Someone called a General acting as a politician a name.

Grow up.

Was the Moveon.org ad tasteless? Of course. Was it worded poorly? Yes. Where they totally off the mark? I don't think so.

[Linkster]

I sure wish someone woud show me in the ad where they say they DO NOT support the troops - everything I see on it says they do - and that they were attacking the general himself - but then I guess when you dont have anything else viable to talk about - attack everybody on both sides. I wonder if the people that are attacking this ad would also attack the other ads that people ran - lets see 4 years ago calling other military personnels service into question? Not a chance - they are doing just like they always do - hypocritical to the end. "Oh but you can attack a military person if they are running for office - thats ok" will be the answer - guaranteed

More importantly - looks to me like some democrats have just lost 3 million of their suporters by voting for this - not that this vote means anything - it just voices their opinion - hmmm - same as the ad was doing eh?

[Bill]

It's nice to see the senate has run out of important things to do.

So they got all this free time to make symbolic gestures.

[radioguy]

Oh no! Someone called a General acting as a politician a name.

I think both you and Linkster missed the boat on this one... Let me highlight what you two are either ignoring, or have overlooked in this amendment.

"To express the sense of the Senate that General David H. Petraeus, Commanding General, Multi-National Force-Iraq, deserves the full support of the Senate and strongly condemn personal attacks on the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all members of the United States Armed Forces."

So Clinton, Durbin, Reid, Kerry, Kennedy and the rest of those degenerates, condone personal attacks on the honor and integrity of members of the United States Armed Forces.

So, they support the troops huh? I guess we shouldn't question their patriotism either, should we?

I really shouldn't give the democrats grief though, they're just towing the company line, because MoveOn.org owns them, remember?

[Linkster]

Actually the text of the amendment is a little different than what you posted:
SEC. 1070. SENSE OF SENATE ON GENERAL DAVID PETRAEUS.

(a) Findings.--The Senate makes the following findings:

(1) The Senate unanimously confirmed General David H. Petraeus as Commanding General, Multi-National Force-Iraq, by a vote of 81-0 on January 26, 2007.

(2) General Petraeus graduated first in his class at the United States Army Command and General Staff College.

(3) General Petraeus earned Masters of Public Administration and Doctoral degrees in international relations from Princeton University.

(4) General Petraeus has served multiple combat tours in Iraq, including command of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) during combat operations throughout the first year of Operation Iraqi Freedom, which tours included both major combat operations and subsequent stability and support operations.

(5) General Petraeus supervised the development and crafting of the United States Army and Marine Corps counterinsurgency manual based in large measure on his combat experience in Iraq, scholarly study, and other professional experiences.

(6) General Petraeus has taken a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

(7) During his 35-year career, General Petraeus has amassed a distinguished and unvarnished record of military service to the United States as recognized by his receipt of a Defense Distinguished Service Medal, two Distinguished Service Medals, two Defense Superior Service Medals, four Legions of Merit, the Bronze Star Medal for valor, the State Department Superior Honor Award, the NATO Meritorious Service Medal, and other awards and medals.

(8) A recent attack through a full-page advertisement in the New York Times by the liberal activist group, Moveon.org, impugns the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all the members of the United States Armed Forces.

(b) Sense of Senate.--It is the sense of the Senate--

(1) to reaffirm its support for all the men and women of the United States Armed Forces, including General David H. Petraeus, Commanding General, Multi-National Force-Iraq;

(2) to strongly condemn any effort to attack the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all the members of the United States Armed Forces; and

(3) to specifically repudiate the unwarranted personal attack on General Petraeus by the liberal activist group Moveon.org


And quite honestly it is the most sniveling, simple-minded, useless pieces of legislation I've seen in probably a year - using all of the valuable time on this when they could have actually been doing something for the troops - something they refuse to actually address like body armor, armor for humvees etc etc.

Secondly - until they also add in a sense of the senate for the attacks on Max Cleland, Tom Daschle, and last but not least John McCain - then this is pretty much a typical only certain Americans are allowed to have free speech - and its obviously not these guys

[Bill]

Hey, if your war isn't going well, what else have you got but to sling some dirt?

Add the politics of distraction to the politics of offense.

It's a "Heckuva Job!".

[Linkster]

Bill - its all part of the horn-swaggle going on
Think back to January last year - Bush saying that if congress would give him 6 months - then they could talk about setting timetables in legislation - so congress did - starting in March and ending in Sept - now its the congress' turn

[radioguy]

Mitt Romney's response sums it up:

"Hillary Clinton had a choice. She could stand with our troop commander in Iraq, or she could stand with the libelous left wing of her party. She chose the latter. The idea that she would be a credible commander-in-chief of our armed forces requires the willing suspension of disbelief."
:lmao2:

[Linkster]

Whos gonna listen to Romney - he's just a rainbow warrior now - damn gay pride supporters

[Bill]

Here's Time Magazine's article about this - saying the right wing likes to dish it out but can't take it.

And talking about their politics of offense.

Those right wingers are all such sensitive little bleeding hearts...

"Goodness gracious. oh, my paws and whiskers. Some of the meanest, most ornery hombres around are suddenly feeling faint. Notorious tough guys are swooning with the vapors. The biggest beasts in the barnyard are all aflutter over something they read in the New York Times. It's that ad from MoveOn.org — the one that calls General David Petraeus, the head of U.S. forces in Iraq, general betray us. All across the radio spectrum, right-wing shock jocks are themselves shocked. How could anybody say such a thing? It's horrifying. It's outrageous. It's disgraceful. It's just beyond the pale ... It's ... oh, my heavens ... say, is it a bit stuffy in here? ... I think I'm going to ... Could I have a glass of ... oh, dear [thud].

Welcome to the wonderful world of umbrage, the new language of American politics. You would not have thought that the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly would be so sensitive. Sticks and stones and so on. Yet they all seem to have taken one look at that ad and fainted dead away. And when they came round, they demanded — as if with one voice (or at least as if with one list of talking points) — that every Democratic presidential candidate must "condemn" this shocking, shocking document. "

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1663424,00.html?cnn=yes

Po widdle wight wingers - they're all just so offended that anyone could call a general a name.

[disrupter]

Hmmm, what about CentCom Chief Admiral William Fallon who called Petraeus an Ass Kissing, Chickenshit & later said 'I hate people like that'?

Would you force him not to have his own opinion too?

radioguy wants a world full of spineless sycophants.

radioguy is unfit to be an american.

Are we going to be neoconmen's sheep or stand up like opinionated ADULTS?

Corporate clones or people with actual individual personalities?

It is easy for me, life has been comparatively kind, i will retain my own opinion without any qualms of losing a job or social standing among my social clique.

Others will have to choose for themselves,
but keep in mind you nation, species, planet & history do depend in some small way on the decision(s) you make.

btw how is forcing troops to remain longer in battle than in recovery time 'supporting the troops'?
another case of the neocon forked tongue.

[Smurf-Herder]

Actually the text of the amendment is a little different than what you posted:
SEC. 1070. SENSE OF SENATE ON GENERAL DAVID PETRAEUS.

(a) Findings.--The Senate makes the following findings:

(1) The Senate unanimously confirmed General David H. Petraeus as Commanding General, Multi-National Force-Iraq, by a vote of 81-0 on January 26, 2007.

(2) General Petraeus graduated first in his class at the United States Army Command and General Staff College.

(3) General Petraeus earned Masters of Public Administration and Doctoral degrees in international relations from Princeton University.

(4) General Petraeus has served multiple combat tours in Iraq, including command of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) during combat operations throughout the first year of Operation Iraqi Freedom, which tours included both major combat operations and subsequent stability and support operations.

(5) General Petraeus supervised the development and crafting of the United States Army and Marine Corps counterinsurgency manual based in large measure on his combat experience in Iraq, scholarly study, and other professional experiences.

(6) General Petraeus has taken a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

(7) During his 35-year career, General Petraeus has amassed a distinguished and unvarnished record of military service to the United States as recognized by his receipt of a Defense Distinguished Service Medal, two Distinguished Service Medals, two Defense Superior Service Medals, four Legions of Merit, the Bronze Star Medal for valor, the State Department Superior Honor Award, the NATO Meritorious Service Medal, and other awards and medals.

(8) A recent attack through a full-page advertisement in the New York Times by the liberal activist group, Moveon.org, impugns the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all the members of the United States Armed Forces.

(b) Sense of Senate.--It is the sense of the Senate--

(1) to reaffirm its support for all the men and women of the United States Armed Forces, including General David H. Petraeus, Commanding General, Multi-National Force-Iraq;

(2) to strongly condemn any effort to attack the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all the members of the United States Armed Forces; and

(3) to specifically repudiate the unwarranted personal attack on General Petraeus by the liberal activist group Moveon.org


And quite honestly it is the most sniveling, simple-minded, useless pieces of legislation I've seen in probably a year - using all of the valuable time on this when they could have actually been doing something for the troops - something they refuse to actually address like body armor, armor for humvees etc etc.

Secondly - until they also add in a sense of the senate for the attacks on Max Cleland, Tom Daschle, and last but not least John McCain - then this is pretty much a typical only certain Americans are allowed to have free speech - and its obviously not these guys

"...something they refuse to actually address like body armor, armor for humvees etc etc."

You're way out of touch on this.

[Smurf-Herder]

I think the ad has every right to be seen ........

......... showing how extreme MoveOn is as a political propaganda manipulation group. Making their best attempt to sabotage US forces in Iraq. They have every right to show themselves for the radicals they are.

[disrupter]

turd-surfer,

leader of the asskissing chickenshit traitors,

the NEOTRAITORS.

Well what about the 190,000 weapons Petraeus put on the blackmarket of Iraq,

without even recording serial numbers?

What about Blackwater's involvement smuggling illegal weapons to terrorists in Iraq?

Once a neoTraitor always a traitor.

[Linkster]

I think the ad has every right to be seen ........

.

I happen to agree - if republican groups can run ads linking US soldiers to bin laden and saddam - then moveon can run ads depicting pereaus as a traitor - which he is to the military

Fortunately the ad has driven donations and joins through the roof for moveon - and they were already a larger voting group than the voting blacks, latinos or fundie christians - so all worked out well Im sure

[Linkster]

I forgot to ask in my last post - so I will now - I see a lot of posts from Smurf-Herder, Radioguy and FrankG expressing a lot of knowledge about troops and the service and even what happens in war-time - Im wondering for all three - what branch of service you were in and was any of it spent overseas?

[Linkster]

Any answers?

[radioguy]

I think the ad has every right to be seen ........

......... showing how extreme MoveOn is as a political propaganda manipulation group. Making their best attempt to sabotage US forces in Iraq. They have every right to show themselves for the radicals they are.

I agree also. Just like the Republicans have the right to submit an amendment before the Senate denouncing it. Just like those 25 democratic senators had the right to side with the group that owns them, rather than stand behind the United States Military.

[radioguy]

I forgot to ask in my last post - so I will now - I see a lot of posts from Smurf-Herder, Radioguy and FrankG expressing a lot of knowledge about troops and the service and even what happens in war-time - Im wondering for all three - what branch of service you were in and was any of it spent overseas?

So are you saying that unless someone served in the military, their opinions don't count? That sounds a lot like something a liberal would say, rather than addressing the issue, doesn't it?

It's none of your GD business whether any of us served or not, you phony closet liberal. Just for the record though, I did serve in the United States Army for 3 years, so I guess according to your rules, I have the right to speak here. :taunt:

[Linkster]

Wow - you are paranoid - I was just interested to see if anyone here had served - pretty simple question

[disrupter]

The pentagon intentionally squandered 9 billion dollars in cash in Iraq.
Virtually all found its way to insurgent, terrorist, and criminal hands.

Billions Over Baghdad, Vanity Fair

They hired a guy from the bahamas who was already associated with marketing fraud & didn't have a single accountant employee to distribute it.

They set it up specifically as an un-sanctioned entity so it would be un-sueable & completely unaccountable.

Just because someone wears a uniform definitely doesn't make them ANY KIND of american or patriot.

Real men WITHOUT uniforms are the ones who fought, died & won this nation's independence from foreign tyrrany.
Additionally there wasn't even an American flag to hide any criminal actions behind.

At the very least the Pentagon is riddled with traitors.

[Marlboro]

I think the ad has every right to be seen ........

......... showing how extreme MoveOn is as a political propaganda manipulation group. Making their best attempt to sabotage US forces in Iraq. They have every right to show themselves for the radicals they are.

They are radical in their approach. It's needed to end an unpopular war..I am for our troops, I just want them home. I don't want anymore dying.

[Frankg]

I forgot to ask in my last post - so I will now - I see a lot of posts from Smurf-Herder, Radioguy and FrankG expressing a lot of knowledge about troops and the service and even what happens in war-time - Im wondering for all three - what branch of service you were in and was any of it spent overseas?
Could you please elaborate on what you mean by "....a lot of knowledge about the troops"

thankyou

[disrupter]

The only relevant thing one has to keep in mind is,

They are traitors to America.

Flags, Uniforms & Bibles will not hide that fact.

[Linkster]

Could you please elaborate on what you mean by "....a lot of knowledge about the troops"

thankyou

Sure:

"So then why are they there killing Iraqi's and fighting us now ? You're telling me that Al-Q , all of a sudden cares so much that they would die fighting American forces just to save Iraqi's , who they,themselves kill ?"

"Al-Quada was in Iraq before the war Linkster, training with the Republican Guard and doing business with Uday and Qusay who as we all know, had close ties to the terrorist group and if the US...."

That seems to indeate that you have some deeper knowledge than most in the US and I was just wondering?