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MintJulep
08-31-2010, 08:22 PM
The Folly of Subsidizing Unemployment

My calculations suggest the jobless rate could be as low as 6.8%, instead of 9.5%, if jobless benefits hadn't been extended to 99 weeks.

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I want to focus here on another dimension of the Obama administration's policies: the expansion of unemployment-insurance eligibility to as much as 99 weeks from the standard 26 weeks.

The unemployment-insurance program involves a balance between compassion—providing for persons temporarily without work—and efficiency.

The loss in efficiency results partly because the program subsidizes unemployment, causing insufficient job-search, job-acceptance and levels of employment. A further inefficiency concerns the distortions from the increases in taxes required to pay for the program.

In a recession, it is more likely that individual unemployment reflects weak economic conditions, rather than individual decisions to choose leisure over work. Therefore, it is reasonable during a recession to adopt a more generous unemployment-insurance program. In the past, this change entailed extensions to perhaps 39 weeks of eligibility from 26 weeks, though sometimes a bit more and typically conditioned on the employment situation in a person's state of residence. However, we have never experienced anything close to the blanket extension of eligibility to nearly two years. We have shifted toward a welfare program that resembles those in many Western European countries.

The administration has argued that the more generous unemployment-insurance program could not have had much impact on the unemployment rate because the recession is so severe that jobs are unavailable for many people. This perspective is odd on its face because, even at the worst of the downturn, the U.S. labor market featured a tremendous amount of turnover in the form of large numbers of persons hired and separated every month.

For example, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that, near the worst of the recession in March 2009, 3.9 million people were hired and 4.7 million were separated from jobs. This net loss of 800,000 jobs in one month indicates a very weak economy—but nevertheless one in which 3.9 million people were hired. A program that reduced incentives for people to search for and accept jobs could surely matter a lot here.

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To get a rough quantitative estimate of the implications for the unemployment rate, suppose that the expansion of unemployment-insurance coverage to 99 weeks had not occurred and—I assume—the share of long-term unemployment had equaled the peak value of 24.5% observed in July 1983. Then, if the number of unemployed 26 weeks or less in June 2010 had still equaled the observed value of 7.9 million, the total number of unemployed would have been 10.4 million rather than 14.6 million. If the labor force still equaled the observed value (153.7 million), the unemployment rate would have been 6.8% rather than 9.5%.

Consider how the prospects for Democrats in the November elections would look if the unemployment rate were now only 6.8%. Obviously, this change would make all the difference, and President Obama can reasonably blame his economic advisers. They should have protected their boss by standing firm and arguing that a reckless expansion of unemployment-insurance coverage to 99 weeks was unwise economically and politically.

Congressman Boehner's advice to Mr. Obama seems correct, though possibly too late to matter.

The rest: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703959704575454431457720188.html?m od=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

doctordog
08-31-2010, 08:27 PM
Great article, I totally agree. People are less likely to take a job that is out of their field if benefits keep coming in. We were told a few months ago not to look at anyone that has been unemployed more than 6 months because people that have been out of work for a year probably would be dead weight.

Bill Cosby
09-01-2010, 02:17 AM
Unfortunetly I think that is proving true..........

I know several ppl on it & most are not looking for work.......

SOme have not even tried until they were threaten to get cut off & then when it passed they stopped looking........

FUnny how that party can get this passed & when it came to HC they were impotent.........

nondual
09-01-2010, 11:43 AM
Unfortunetly I think that is proving true..........

I know several ppl on it & most are not looking for work.......

SOme have not even tried until they were threaten to get cut off & then when it passed they stopped looking........

FUnny how that party can get this passed & when it came to HC they were impotent.........
You mean these lines would be double as long?

http://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2010/6/24/saupload_unemployment_line_missouri_1.jpg

http://nimg.sulekha.com/others/original700/aptopix-florida-unemployment-2010-1-27-21-18-10.jpg

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/~/media/Fiscal-Times/Article/Large/2010/04/04032010_Unemployment_line_article.ashx

MintJulep
09-01-2010, 12:10 PM
Unfortunetly I think that is proving true..........

I know several ppl on it & most are not looking for work.......

SOme have not even tried until they were threaten to get cut off & then when it passed they stopped looking........

FUnny how that party can get this passed & when it came to HC they were impotent.........We agree. There aren't any jobs right now.

Can't say I blame them. Who is going to take a job cleaning toilets making the same amount they can earn staying home? Not a hard choice for me.

Bill Cosby
09-01-2010, 12:40 PM
You mean these lines would be double as long?

http://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2010/6/24/saupload_unemployment_line_missouri_1.jpg

http://nimg.sulekha.com/others/original700/aptopix-florida-unemployment-2010-1-27-21-18-10.jpg

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/~/media/Fiscal-Times/Article/Large/2010/04/04032010_Unemployment_line_article.ashx

I don't know how long the lines would be, I do know ppl that are sitting on their ass watching tv & not looking............:thumbsup:

Hawkeye2j
09-01-2010, 12:43 PM
I don't know how long the lines would be, I do know ppl that are sitting on their ass watching tv & not looking............:thumbsup:
Bill there are deadbeats in every walk of life, but they are very much in the minority. People want to work. They want a living wage.

doctordog
09-01-2010, 12:44 PM
I don't know how long the lines would be, I do know ppl that are sitting on their ass watching tv & not looking............:thumbsup:

me too and it is disgusting. There are several jobs out there if people are willing work. The educated entitlement attitude is dragging the country down as a whole.

doctordog
09-01-2010, 12:44 PM
Bill there are deadbeats in every walk of life, but they are very much in the minority. People want to work. They want a living wage.


Times like these mean you have to change your standard of living:thumbsup:

Bill Cosby
09-01-2010, 12:48 PM
We agree. There aren't any jobs right now.

Can't say I blame them. Who is going to take a job cleaning toilets making the same amount they can earn staying home? Not a hard choice for me.

The guy that lived across the street from me recently got a job @ the golf course........ Not sure exactly what he does but it involves manual labor......

He was making 6 figures as a salesmen for weyerhaeuser paper & now nothing close.... But he is happy & gets free golf & discounts & it keeps him out of the house............ He is the exception........

You need to work hard now days to find even a lousy job...........

nondual
09-01-2010, 01:36 PM
What the ruling class wants is slaves. That's why they are making us compete with China's slave population. They want workers willing to work for peanuts. :mad:

Parade Rain
09-01-2010, 01:39 PM
What the ruling class wants is slaves. That's why they are making us compete with China's slave population. They want workers willing to work for peanuts. :mad:

And with leadership on both sides of the aisle willing to fellate the corporatists, they're getting what they want, slowly but surely. Goodbye worker protections, living wages, pensions, benefits, etc. Lowly blue collars don't "deserve" such luxuries.

Bill Cosby
09-01-2010, 01:43 PM
And with leadership on both sides of the aisle willing to fellate the corporatists, they're getting what they want, slowly but surely. Goodbye worker protections, living wages, pensions, benefits, etc. Lowly blue collars don't "deserve" such luxuries.

Yep they pay lip service & look the other way...........

The two corporate parties are owned & operated from wallstreet........

doctordog
09-01-2010, 05:22 PM
And with leadership on both sides of the aisle willing to fellate the corporatists, they're getting what they want, slowly but surely. Goodbye worker protections, living wages, pensions, benefits, etc. Lowly blue collars don't "deserve" such luxuries.


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doctordog
09-01-2010, 05:31 PM
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so we are not using all of the embed code anymore?