Surprise! Daily Kos: I Don't Support the Troops..oops, there, I said it

[radioguy]

I Don't Support the Troops..oops, there, I said it
by lurxst
Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 04:27:34 PM PDT

Link (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/19/18384/0637)

[Independent Harry]

I bet that's all you read, or your small and feeble mind couldn't actually wrap itself around what this person point was...

[radioguy]

I bet that's all you read, or your small and feeble mind couldn't actually wrap itself around what this person point was...

Nope I read it. In fact, here are some of the finer points:

"Can an anti-war proponent look at these Iraqi resistance fighters with the same admiration, even though they worship differently than us and when they eventually win are likely to install a distasteful (to Americans) theocratic tinged state. Can a person who doesn’t believe in violence support that people’s right to govern themselves, perhaps violently."

The left will probably put their hands over their hearts and recite this crap daily.

[Smurf-Herder]

Well, I read it.

And I don't agree with his point of view, or view of reality.

[Bill]

Yeah, so what did you expect?

This is just another artificial "politics of offense" ploy.

We get it, you're terribly offended.

The two thirds of americans who think the war was a mistake offend you.

That's a real sad story you're telling. I'm sure it's going to change public opinion any day now.

[radioguy]

Yeah, so what did you expect?

This is just another artificial "politics of offense" ploy.

We get it it, you're terribly offended.

The two thirds of americans who think the war was a mistake offend you.

That's a real sad story you're telling. I'm sure it's going to change public opinion any day now.

No, it won't change public opinion, just affirm it. We all know that the left has never supported the troops, so this moron admitting it won't come as a big surprise to many.

[Independent Harry]

Nope I read it. In fact, here are some of the finer points:

"Can an anti-war proponent look at these Iraqi resistance fighters with the same admiration, even though they worship differently than us and when they eventually win are likely to install a distasteful (to Americans) theocratic tinged state. Can a person who doesn’t believe in violence support that people’s right to govern themselves, perhaps violently."

The left will probably put their hands over their hearts and recite this crap daily.

So since only the left don't support the war, then 2/3 of this country are not leftists. Wow, the right must have done something really wrong, to send everyone running the opposite way.

Your logic is like a bad fart. It sits around and stinks for a while and then just whisps away...

You can't see past the blinders the US government installed on your face apparently. You took that paragraph out of context completely, (which is something you claim the left does all the time).

"During WWII, French resistance fighters were also called terrorists and insurgents by their German occupiers. Can an anti-war proponent look at these Iraqi resistance fighters with the same admiration, even though they worship differently than us and when they eventually win are likely to install a distasteful (to Americans) theocratic tinged state. Can a person who doesn't believe in violence support that people's right to govern themselves, perhaps violently."

we are the aggressors in their land, what right do we have to call people defending their way of life (even if we don't agree with it) terrorists. You are so focused on spreading democracy for the good of the world, you never stopped to ask if we should...

[radioguy]

we are the aggressors in their land, what right do we have to call people defending their way of life (even if we don't agree with it) terrorists. You are so focused on spreading democracy for the good of the world, you never stopped to ask if we should...

Because they are terrorists, that's why. They aren't just fighting the coalition forces, they are setting off suicide bombs in crowed markets. They are torturing innocent civilians. They are murdering entire villages of people just to show how big and bad they are. They are TERRORISTS.

[Independent Harry]

Because they are terrorists, that's why. They aren't just fighting the coalition forces, they are setting off suicide bombs in crowed markets. They are torturing innocent civilians. They are murdering entire villages of people just to show how big and bad they are. They are TERRORISTS.

If you say it 20x it must be true right?

So during the Vietnam war we did not level entire villages? We did not blow innocent people up? On purpose?

And it's not like we didn't develop claymore mines that have been used in civillian populations by ourselves and Israel right?

We currently do not torture civillians? Without having any real due process to discover their innocence or lack there of?

I think that you will find America has engaged in this sort of activity as well, so I don't see how you can continually take the moral high ground on this subject...

[TheCenturion]

If you say it 20x it must be true right?

So during the Vietnam war we did not level entire villages? We did not blow innocent people up? On purpose?

And it's not like we didn't develop claymore mines that have been used in civillian populations by ourselves and Israel right?

We currently do not torture civillians? Without having any real due process to discover their innocence or lack there of?

I think that you will find America has engaged in this sort of activity as well, so I don't see how you can continually take the moral high ground on this subject...

LOL.. Sanctimonious, right-wing, militarist hypocrites are always pointing the finger away from themselves to wag it at others in their dismissive myopia. Take, for example, the incidents of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. How many civilians who were simply going about their business on the way to work or shopping in street markets were obliterated there? Let's sit back and hear the sophistry, excuses and justifications from Radiojerk about how and why that was a reasonable mission - while out of the other side of his face he condemns the so called "terrorists". I can hardly wait. How I despise these assholes.They'll never get it.

[Smurf-Herder]

LOL... Sanctimonious right-wing militarist hypocrites are always pointing the finger away from themselves to wag it at others in their patently dismissive myopic views of history.. Like, for example, the history of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. How many civilians who were simply going about their business on the way to work or shopping in street markets were obliterated there? Let's sit back and hear the sophistry, excuses and justifications from Radiojerk about it now. I can hardly wait. Geez.. How I despise these assholes.

Regardless ........ your viewpoint ignores the enemies at hand, to the civilization you're living in, in favor of dwelling on your perceived hypocricy of "the establishment".

[TheCenturion]

Regardless ........ your viewpoint ignores the enemies at hand, to the civilization you're living in, in favor of dwelling on your perceived hypocricy of "the establishment".

Huh? Let me try to make this a little easier for you to grasp.

War = death / bad. Peace = life /good.

Write that down a few thousand times and get back to us.

[Jesse Hemingway]

It is an all voluntary military they just tried to get an equitable troop rotation 1 year in country 1 year home the republicans blocked the Web-bill. Now that the republicans have blocked that bill I hate to say but the troops are F$KKKED by the republicans.


The fact the republicans care for the troops the most; then the United States Military in an uneatable position all anybody can do is wish them luck and hope they make it out alive. :banghead::banghead: :banghead:

End of story the TROOOPS are on their own.

[Linkster]

Ive always liked this quote - and happened to see it in someones sig there - an old Yassar Arafat quote:
A religious war is fighting over who's imaginary friend is better

And yes - most of the comments in this entire thread missed the point of the original post over there - as Im sure most of the 20 %'s will - they think that using slurs and attacking the majority with louder biting attacks will make them look stronger- fortunately in the long run it has always had the opposite effect - and that majority will keep getting larger - which explains why almost 70% of this country is now against the war and wants the troops out

[radioguy]

Huh? Let me try to make this a little easier for you to grasp.

War = death / bad. Peace = life /good.

Write that down a few thousand times and get back to us.

You should have explained that years ago to bin laden and the other terrorists in the world who support you views of America. Then maybe the following wouldn't have happened:

The attacks on 9/11/2001
The attack on the USS Cole
The suicide car-bomb attack in 1983, at the U.S. embassy in Beirut.
The killing of 241 marines by a suicide bombers near U.S. military barracks near Beirut airport in 1983
The Shiite truck bomb attack at the U.S. embassy in Kuwait in 83.

And if you like, I can post 13 more attacks against us that took place from 1985 - 2001, but I think even you get my point.

[Linkster]

Your response has nothing to do with the thread - unless you would like to make a connection here?

[Independent Harry]

You should have explained that years ago to bin laden and the other terrorists in the world who support you views of America. Then maybe the following wouldn't have happened:

The attacks on 9/11/2001
The attack on the USS Cole
The suicide car-bomb attack in 1983, at the U.S. embassy in Beirut.
The killing of 241 marines by a suicide bombers near U.S. military barracks near Beirut airport in 1983
The Shiite truck bomb attack at the U.S. embassy in Kuwait in 83.

And if you like, I can post 13 more attacks against us that took place from 1985 - 2001, but I think even you get my point.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki

The Use of Napalm on Civillians in Japanese Cities: One of the worst attracities ever commited, and should be deemed as a terrorist act. It was te direct and deliberate targeting of civillians in one of the most horrible ways to die.

http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/fire.html

"The Japanese later listed over 83,000 dead in the attack; over 40,000 wounded and a total of 15.8 square miles of the city were burned to ashes with the destruction of 265,171 buildings. The intensity of the fire was so much that the water in the rivers reached the boiling point."

Yes nothing like being burned alive walking around in your marketplace while 15.8 square miles of your city is burned to ashes. But we are so much better than the terrorists. We are a nation of morals and a christian nation. We believe in only attacking civilians when we are at war...

Your moral bankruptcy and inability to see the other side as human beings protecting their belief system is staggering. They do not want a democracy, they do not beleive in it, who are we to make them. Having a democracy forced upon you is not a democratic solution...

[Jesse Hemingway]

You should have explained that years ago to bin laden and the other terrorists in the world who support you views of America. Then maybe the following wouldn't have happened:

The attacks on 9/11/2001
The attack on the USS Cole
The suicide car-bomb attack in 1983, at the U.S. embassy in Beirut.
The killing of 241 marines by a suicide bombers near U.S. military barracks near Beirut airport in 1983
The Shiite truck bomb attack at the U.S. embassy in Kuwait in 83.

And if you like, I can post 13 more attacks against us that took place from 1985 - 2001, but I think even you get my point.

You have developed a common thread each of these incidents could have been avoided if the military would have been more vigilant. When I was in the military a successful attack on the unit means WE as a group failed.

Now there is not much a person can do if the people like dick cheney compromise vital security information allowing the attacks to occur.

[TheCenturion]

You should have explained that years ago to bin laden and the other terrorists in the world who support you views of America. Then maybe the following wouldn't have happened:

The attacks on 9/11/2001
The attack on the USS Cole
The suicide car-bomb attack in 1983, at the U.S. embassy in Beirut.
The killing of 241 marines by a suicide bombers near U.S. military barracks near Beirut airport in 1983
The Shiite truck bomb attack at the U.S. embassy in Kuwait in 83.

And if you like, I can post 13 more attacks against us that took place from 1985 - 2001, but I think even you get my point.


LOL.. Yes.. I get your point. But, since I had already concluded that you're a completely xenophobic, self involved, partisan, sanctimonious, agenda driven fool incapable of understanding any of the complex history from our 60 years of foreign policy blunders in The Middle East and their repercussions, much less the nuances, it's all rather moot. Demonstrating it further is quite un-necessary. But, thanks for doing it anyway. It's like Samuel Clemens said, "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."

Since the war criminals you endorse don't keep an accurate body count of their victims, it's reported by the UNHRC that child malnutrition rates have jumped from 19 percent before the invasion four years ago to over 28 percent now. There are two million internally displaced people, many of whom have no or little access to food rations. Eight million people are in urgent need of emergency aid. That figure includes the over two million who are displaced within the country as refugees, half of whom are children. This, of course, doesn't take into account the deaths, casualties and indiscriminate carnage directly from the invasion itself which have been estimated by Lancet to be as high as 100,000 civilian victims.

Please, do expound on their involvement in the Beirut Marine Barracks attack, The USS Cole bombing or 911 and how these conditions are alleviating terrorism.