How dead is Osama bin Laden? Very much so

[Lovelynice]

I've posted this information before on another site and was asked to bring it here to liven things up (excuse the pun)
Just few facts to begin with;

White House Gets Defensive Over Accusation Bin Laden Is Dead
Usually obedient press corps ask how a dying man on a dialysis machine can survive in remote Pakistani hill caves for six years
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/190707binladendead.htm

Of course, the news of Osama bin Laden being dead came out nearly six years ago. a report from FOX NEWS
http://xs117.xs.to/xs117/07295/FoxNewsOBLdead.png
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

1~ Osama bin Laden is NOT on the FBI most wanted list in connection with 911. Why not? According to FBI spokesman, Chief of Investigative Publicity Rex Tomb, “The FBI has no hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11.” http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4673 http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm (accessed 20 August 2006)

2~ Osama bin Laden is long D E A D. He died on the 16th December 2001, and this was reported throughout Asia and the Middle East about ten days later. Some members of his family attended his funeral in Afghanistan. He died from kidney failure and a lung infection.

Remember the FAKE confession video? Fake Osama on the left in the FAKE confession video, and the real Osama bin Laden on the right (of course)
http://h1.ripway.com/ken_from_dublin/fake_osama_comparo1.jpg

Damn the USA government under G W Bush loves to tell whopping great big lies.


Tragically, some government SHILLS on other sites want to continue to PRETEND that Osama bin Laden is alive. Losing Osama must've been very traumatic for them.

Do a search on these if you like;

According to the Pakistani press, and the Egyptian newspaper, al-Wafd, (Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633) Bin Laden died in December 2001 of pulmonary complications incident to catastrophic kidney failure, in the absence of available hygienic dialysis.

The Egyptian newspaper al-Wafd published an article dated Wednesday, December 26, 2001, (Vol 15 No 4633) describing bin Laden's funeral:
"News of Bin Laden's Death and Funeral 10 days ago
ISLAMABAD - A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa'da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. The official, who asked to remain anonymous, stated to The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago. He mentioned that 30 of al-Qa'da fighters attended the burial as well as members of his family and some friends from the Taleban. ..."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/funeral.jpg
This is a scan of Osama bin Laden's funeral notice

Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is dead, heir has been chosen TEL AVIV - Osama Bin Laden appears to be dead but his colleagues have decided that Al Qaida and its insurgency campaign against the United States will continue, Israeli intelligence sources said. The Israeli sources said Israel and the United States assess that Bin Laden probably died in the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan in December. They said the emergence of new messages by Bin Laden are probably FABRICATIONS, Middle East Newsline reported.

(CNN, Oct 7, 2002) KABUL, Afghanistan - Osama bin Laden is "probably" dead, but former Taliban leader Mullah Omar is alive, Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said.

(BBC, 18 July 2002) The US Federal Bureau of Investigation's counter-terrorism chief, Dale Watson, says he thinks Osama bin Laden is "probably" dead.

Then afterwards you can vote on "When did Osama bin Laden die?" if you wish
http://www.bestandworst.com/v/?id=97124

Religious people frequently go on blind faith believing their great messiah is still alive, but you know, Elvis is still dead, Jimmy Hoffa is still dead, and Osama bin Laden is still dead. That's despite confused pretenders claiming them to be still alive.

As I said, very sad.

Of course, the US media has taken awhile to catch up with news in Arabic; maybe they lack decent translators? Or it wilful denial of facts? Rather like the US media willfully denied the lack of evidence that the USA and UK govts were lying through their teeth about WMDs in Iraq. They really can't be trusted, can they?

[Lovelynice]

Bythe way, you'll have to excuse my occassionally erratic ability with English as I live in Japan and although I work part-time as an English teacher, I'm starting to shortcut and forget the occassional words. Maybe because I'm studying Japanese so intensely, and i'm half-Japanese anyway.

My education background also includes a Bsc in Physics and Advanced Mathematics, but I've studied so many things besides that...

[Lovelynice]

Osama Tape Appears Fake, Experts Conclude

US government fabricating evidence to manipulate American public, scholars say.

Duluth, MN (PRWEB) May 30, 2006 -- The latest audio tape attributed to Osama bin Laden appears to be one more installment in a succession of evidence fabricated by the US government to deceive the American people, according to Scholars for 9/11 Truth. "This tape is only the latest in a series of fabrications intended to mislead the American people," said James H. Fetzer, the society's founder. "The closer we get to revealing the truth about 9/11, the more furiously the government fights to conceal it!"



He said members of Scholars and other experts had detected evidence of fakery.

In this new recording, a voice attributed to Osama bin Laden asserts that Zacarias Moussaoui was not involved in 9/11, which he knew to be the case because he had personally assigned the 19 hijackers involved in those events. The Osama of this tape thereby implicitly confesses his responsibility for orchestrating the attacks. However, in a tape released on December 27, 2001, the authenticity of which is not in doubt, Osama denied having had anything to do with 9/11. "Moreover," Fetzer added, "some of the 19 hijackers he 'personally assigned' have turned up alive and well."

To be sure, this new tape is not the first one in which bin Laden appears to take responsibility for the attacks. As David Ray Griffin, a prominent member of Scholars, points out, "The Osama on the video tape that appeared on December 13, 2001, confessed to planning the 9/11 attacks. But he is far darker and much heavier than the real Osama bin Laden. People can see the difference by looking up 'The Fake bin Laden Video Tape' on Google."

Griffin's point is supported by a work-in-progress by members of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, which appears on its web site under the heading, "9/11: Have we been lied to?" It offers evidence of fakery in some of the videos based upon various physical properties of the figures that are presumed to be Osama, pointing out that there are differences in the ears, cheeks, eyebrows, length of the nose and shape of the nostrils. "The use of computer analysis can 'fine tune' these questions of facial characteristics," Fetzer said, "but the gross differences already show they are not the same."

"Another problem with the video of December 13, 2001," Griffin pointed out, "was that its stocky bin Laden praised two of the alleged hijackers, Wail M. Al-Shehri and Salem al-Hazmi, by name, and yet both the London Telegraph and the Saudi embassy reported several days after 9/11 that al-Hazmi was still alive and working in Saudi Arabia. Given the fact that the earlier video in which Osama confessed was clearly a fake, we should be suspicious of this latest apparent confession."

A professor at Duke, Bruce Lawrence, who has published Messages to the World: The Statements of Osama bin Laden, expressed profound skepticism about a tape that was released January 17, 2006, in a report that appeared two days later. "There's nothing in this from the Koran," Lawrence said. "He's, by his own standards, a faithful Muslim who quotes scripture in defense of his actions. There's no quotation from the Koran in the excerpts we got, no reference to specific events, no reference to past atrocities." Lawrence also observed the tape ran only 10 minutes, whereas the shortest previous tape, at 18 minutes, was nearly twice as long.

Fetzer noted that many of the same anomalous properties are found in the latest tape. "Compared to Osama's past performances," he observed, "this message is too short, too direct, and full of falsehoods. It was even described on CBS News by Bob Schieffer as 'almost American'." A translation of the text of the tape has also been released by IntelCenter, a private company that does contract work for the US government.

Authentic Voice/Fake Content

Informed that Reuters news agency has reported confirmation that the voice on the tape is indeed that of Osama bin Laden, Fetzer replied, "The fact that the voice is his does not prove that the tape is authentic. We have had phony tapes before using voices that were authentic. Mark Bingham, a passenger on Flight 93, is supposed to have called his mother and said, 'Hi, Mom, this is Mark Bingham!' His mother confirmed it was his voice, but does anyone seriously believe that Mark Bingham would have used his last name in identifying himself to his mother?"

Griffin agreed, adding, "Back in 1999, William Arkin published an article entitled, 'When Seeing and Hearing isn't Believing' (which can also be accessed on Google). Describing the new technology of 'voice morphing' (or 'voice synthesizing'), Arkin explained that, if audio technicians have a recording of your voice, then they can create a tape in which your voice‹your authentic voice!‹says anything they wish."

In a press release on April 22, 2006, the Scholars observed that a tape played at the trail of Zacarias Moussaoui included discussion among the passengers about using a drink cart to break down the cabin door alleged to have been picked up on a cockpit voice recorder, which does not record conversations in the passenger cabin. "This is not the first and certainly will not be the last time that the American government plays the American people for suckers," Fetzer said.

"We have just acquired new evidence that the Pentagon video tapes were processed and manipulated in an apparent effort to distort or conceal what happened there on 9/11," Fetzer observed. "Apparently, whenever the government feels the need to bolster the official myth about 9/11, it simply fabricates a new tape! Anybody who wants to keep score
should visit our web site."

Scholars for 9/11 Truth is a non-partisan society of experts and scholars dedicated to exposing falsehoods and establishing truths about the events of 9/11. It maintains a web site at st911.org, where it archives its studies, documents, records and evidence.

[Lovelynice]

The CIA long ago stopped searching for Osama bin Laden too.

The Central Intelligence Agency long ago closed the unit that for years had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden. The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded ages ago.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html?ex=1152676800&en=2576b5ef6af849cc&ei=5070&emc=eta1

No use hunting for a dead guy, right?

Osama is long dead
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html

[Lovelynice]

Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is dead, heir has been chosen
http://216.26.163.62/2002/me_terrorism_10_16.html

[Lovelynice]

Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader. "The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead," the source said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

[Lovelynice]

Osama bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan almost six months ago: the fugitive died in December [2001] and was buried in the mountains of southeast Afghanistan

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/11/opinion/11TAHE.html?ex=1089432000&en=373a282aeff2716a&ei=5070&todaysheadlines

[Lovelynice]

More on those fake videos;

Only the lying lapdog USA news media says that those videos were real.

Anyone with a brain can recognise that this Mr Fat Nose (ON THE LEFT) from the 2001 fake confession video is not the REAL Osama bin Laden (ON THE RIGHT).
http://h1.ripway.com/ken_from_dublin/fake_osama_comparo1.jpg
fake video, OBVIOUSLY.

More pictures of the REAL Osama bin Laden compared with the FAKE Mr Fat Nose
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/binladen8.jpg


The 2004 FAKE video - fake Osama bin Laden vs real Osama bin Laden. I guess he must have a shapechanging head and nose too.
http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/surprise/fake-to-real.gif

Bin Laden was left handed too, and they forgot that little detail as well.

[Lovelynice]

The audio tapes don't stand independent scrutiny either.

Bin Laden tape “faked”

swissinfo November 29, 2002 11:01 AM

Swiss researchers say they are 95 per cent certain that a recent audio tape attributed to the Saudi dissident, Osama bin Laden, is not genuine.

The Lausanne-based Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence (IDIAP) claims it was recorded by an impostor.

The review of the tape, which was first aired on November 12 by the Arabic television network, Al-Jazeera, was commissioned by the French television channel, France 2.

However, having compared the most recent tape with 20 previous recordings attributed to bin Laden, the IDIAP claims the voice is not that of the al-Qaeda leader.

Professor Hervé Boulard, the institute’s director, told France 2 that he was 95 per cent certain that “it has not been recorded by bin Laden”.

The IDIAP, which is affiliated to the Federal Institute of Technology in Lausanne and the University of Geneva, said the risk of error was just five per cent.

The voice on the tape praises recent attacks against Western targets including the siege of a Moscow theatre by Chechen rebels, the bombing of a French oil tanker off the coast of Yemen, and the Bali bombing.

The speaker also warns America’s allies – particularly Britain, France, Italy, Canada, Germany and Australia – that they will also be targeted if they continue to back the US.

At the time of the tape’s appearance, officials in the United States concluded that it was “probably” bin Laden speaking. They said it was the clearest evidence yet that bin Laden had survived the US-led bombing in Afghanistan.

Rival study

The Swiss findings, however, are in direct contrast to voice recognition tests commissioned by the weekly French news magazine, “L’Express”.

The magazine asked two experts to examine the tape: Bernard Gautheron, director of the phonetic testing laboratory at the University of Paris’s Institute of Linguistics and Phonetics; and Olivier Fiani, a translator and expert on Middle East affairs.

Gautheron concluded that there was a “very strong probability” that the tape was authentic.

In an interview with swissinfo, he cast doubt on whether the computers used by the IDIAP had been subtle enough to pick up all the known nuances of bin Laden’s speech pattern, including his use of language.

“Osama bin Laden’s speech is characterised by a certain number of tics,” he said. “Computers do not take into account these elements which are nonetheless very important.”

swissinfo with agencies

[Lovelynice]

Al Qaeda also is a myth, a fiction that was created to scare gullible people into supporting a racist war against Muslims and Arabs, all for the sake of enriching greedy war profiteers and power hungry sociopaths who wish to invade and occupy middle east countries based on the false pretense of spreading democracy and freedom... it's all BS, and the USA and the UK are now considered the new Nazis of today.

People are being DECEIVED into fighting and risking their lives in a war for profit - for no other reason than to make a few liars and murdering people into mega rich, mega powerful billionairres and multi-millionairres.

This is evil mass-murder and war profiteering at it's worst.

AL QUEDA IS FAKE

1. We have MI5 (British CIA) posing as Alqueda.
"Al-Qaeda cleric exposed as an MI5 double agent", http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-3-1050175,00.html

2. We have Mossad (Israel CIA) posing as ALqueda in Palestine: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2949idf_qaeda.html
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j120902.html
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/palestinians_arrest_al_qaeda_poseurs.htm
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=241042&contrassID=2&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y&itemNo=241042
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/terrorist.html

3. We have USA posing as Alqueda:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html

The FBI lists Gadahn's aliases as Abu Suhayb Al-Amriki, Abu Suhayb, Yihya Majadin Adams, Adam Pearlman, and Yayah. But Adam Pearlmen is his REAL name! Adam is the grandson of the late Carl K. Pearlman; a prominent Jewish urologist in Orange County. Carl was also a member of the board of directors of the Anti-Defamation League, which was caught spying on Americans for Israel in 1993, much as AIPAC has been caught up in the more recent spy scandal.

3. We have israel posing as alqueda in the phillipines.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/qaeda_philippines.html
http://www.mb.com.ph/PROV2004061411759.html

4. British SAS posing as Iraqi Insurgants:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/424614.stm

The two British operatives, arrested by Basra police and later freed by a British military operation, were identified by the BBC as "members of the SAS elite special forces" (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/424614.stm). They were disguised by wigs and Arab dress. Iraqi sources reported that the Iraqi police were watching the two, and when they tried to approach them they shot two policemen and tried to escape the scene. The Iraqi police chased and captured them, to discover large amount of explosives planted in the car, which apparently was planned to be remotely detonated in the busy market of Basra. The SAS involvement in Iraq was discovered on the 30th of January 2005 when an RAF Hercules plane crashed near Baghdad killing then British servicemen after dropping off fifty SAS members north of Baghdad to fight Iraqi guerillas.


Mossad agents arrested by the PA for attempting to set up phony 'al Qaeda' cells in the Gaza Strip.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/palqaeda.jpg

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html

[Jesse Hemingway]

Then start going after his family.

[Lovelynice]

Then start going after his family.

what would be the point?

Remember this from the first post on this thread?

1~ Osama bin Laden is NOT on the FBI most wanted list in connection with 911. Why not? According to FBI spokesman, Chief of Investigative Publicity Rex Tomb, “The FBI has no hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11.” http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4673 http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm (accessed 20 August 2006)

and Osama bin Laden never said that he had anything to do with 9/11, as the only video saying that he did was FAKED, as were the later audio tapes.

A German TV show found that the White House's translation of the video was inaccurate and "manipulative". The quality of the video was very poor and the authenticity of the tape was questioned. Here's 5 Osamas - which is the odd one out? The four Osama bin Laden's with the long thin nose and features OR that other guy with the fat nose?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/binladen8.jpg
Fat-nosed guy is the man confessing on the "Osama confesses" tape. Between the nose and the cheeks it is clear that this man is NOT Osama.

On December 27, 2001, a second video containing the pale skinned and very real Osama 'C' was broadcast on al Jazeera. The tape was reportedly made on November 19, 2001 - that's ten days after the "lucky find" tape was reportedly made. Are we supposed to believe that Osama's skin, hair and beard changed color in ten days? Also, the REAL Osama bin Laden's comments caused quite a stir because because they contradicted the "confession" video.

There's been other fake videos since. Fake bin Laden tapes, "verified" by the CIA, are nothing new. Every supposed bin Laden statement since 2001 has been blatantly bogus.

Perhaps due to the widespread hilarity evoked by "Fatty bin Laden," the next Osama from beyond the grave message had no images it was an audiotape delivered to al-Jazeera in fall 2002. The CIA verified it as authentic and then got a rotten egg in the face when the world's foremost voice identification experts in Switzerland reported that "the message was recorded by an impostor."

Even the Christian Science Monitor doesn't buy the phony 'confession' tape anymore

...
The "confession" isn't one, but a mistranslation – and there are mistakes on the tape. Arabic is an extremely difficult language to translate accurately and unambiguously into English because of the radical differences in structure and alliteration.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0418/p11s02-coop.html

The real Osama bin Laden has been dead since December 2001.

This faking of videos in an attempt to demonize Arabs and Islam is from uncommon these days
Atwar Bahjat horror story [UPDATE: it's a hoax.]
http://abuaardvark.typepad.com/abuaardvark/2006/05/atwar_bahjat_ho.html

The USA government got caught lying in this way before

The real Hanni Majour
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/aa77/hanjour1.jpg

The guy that the US government tried to claim was him
http://www.nynewsday.com/media/photo/2004-07/13512460.jpg
I guess he must've had a head transplant. Not a very convincing image from a security camera either; there's no date or time. Every security camera image that I've ever seen had a date and time stamp.

and nine of the alleged hijackers are still alive!
http://www.welfarestate.com/911/

Really, there's very little evidence of any Arabs being involved in the 9/11 attacks.

[Jesse Hemingway]

what would be the point?


It is called culture justice with a benefit it would show just how much the Bush family is in bed with the F$KKKING terrorists. :lmao2:

By the way I like your posts keep up the great work.:thumbsup::thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[RawAlex]

Bin Ladin dead or alive doesn't matter, his stale date is is around December 2008, when the boy king and his puppeteers will finally get booted out of Washington.

Ever notice that every "terror" event now is suddenly Al Quaida? Groups of people who don't know each other are suddenly all part of one large and well organized team? That isn't organized terrorists, that is a very selective and talented press spin from people like Rove and Bush... forming up the "enemy". Americans are most happy when they see white hat / black hat... they don't work well with grey. Bush is giving them what they want, a single enemy and single target to cover everything bad in the world.

Some news for you George: It isn't one group. There are any number of people pissed off about the US, and your willingness to lump them all into one group is just giving every wingnut in the middle east as reason to come out and take potshots at you. Trying to jam your demented version of world order down people's throats isn't helping, trust me.

"A new world order".... isn't that what you Daddy called it?

[Jesse Hemingway]

Bin Ladin dead or alive doesn't matter, his stale date is is around December 2008, when the boy king and his puppeteers will finally get booted out of Washington.

Ever notice that every "terror" event now is suddenly Al Quaida? Groups of people who don't know each other are suddenly all part of one large and well organized team? That isn't organized terrorists, that is a very selective and talented press spin from people like Rove and Bush... forming up the "enemy". Americans are most happy when they see white hat / black hat... they don't work well with grey. Bush is giving them what they want, a single enemy and single target to cover everything bad in the world.

Some news for you George: It isn't one group. There are any number of people pissed off about the US, and your willingness to lump them all into one group is just giving every wingnut in the middle east as reason to come out and take potshots at you. Trying to jam your demented version of world order down people's throats isn't helping, trust me.

"A new world order".... isn't that what you Daddy called it?:thumbsup:
The NEW WORLD ORDER speech début on (drum roll please) September 11, 1990 anyone see the pattern with the bush family.:disbelief:

[Lovelynice]

Ever notice that every "terror" event now is suddenly Al Quaida?

It's easier to pretend Al Queda is a "James Bond style" super-villian organisation so they can "push the propaganda".

I'll get onto the truth behind the Bali Bombings which were also blamed on an Al Queda associated group - but were really set up by the Indonesian Military - at a later date. The truth came out MAINSTREAM in the Australian news media and shocked everyone (while Aussie PM, little Johnny Howard continues to pretend the FACTS aren't already known to everyone).

[Lovelynice]

It is called culture justice with a benefit it would show just how much the Bush family is in bed with the F$KKKING terrorists.

By the way I like your posts keep up the great work.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

They aren't in bed with the terrorists, THEY ARE the terrorists. Family tradition of criminal behaviour going back decades to business dealings with the Nazis - during wartime - and probably earlier.

Thanks for the compliment. I am here by special request to enlighten you all
;)

[Jesse Hemingway]

They aren't in bed with the terrorists, THEY ARE the terrorists. Family tradition of criminal behaviour going back decades to business dealings with the Nazis - during wartime - and probably earlier.

Thanks for the compliment. I am here by special request to enlighten you all
;)

Enlighten on; your preaching to the choir :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[SirMoby]

Then start going after his family.
They're supposedly our allies.

[Jesse Hemingway]

The next seven weeks will be one wild ride.:hi: :p :D

[crusader]

Osama is most likely a cab driver in New York City!

[Linkster]

Al Qaeda has never existed exept in some minds of intelligence officers at the CIA and MI - it was made up long ago to have a "good public recognition" name that could be used to promote as much fear as possible during the time of Kissinger - he even wrote about it many times in his New World Order diatribes.

As early as the 1980s, some NSA intelligence security specialists who left the agency have been writing about all of the covering up and listing the private firms that are making the faked tapes, as well as their addresses and tracing the routes the faked intelligence has taken.
So far, two employees of the NSA have been thrown in jail for their support of these former NSA personnel using planted evidence - as well as many operations that on the outside that looked like bank failures etc to make sure that the people that knew way too much either "committed suicide" or were incarerated in a place where they couldnt talk anymore.

The most recent example (and I hate to say this as I hate what this guy stood for) is Ney in Ohio - he knew just a little too much and had secretly threatened to go public with it - and all of a sudden an aid of his and himself get involved with Abranoff (sp?) and are convicted of bribery and other idiotic crimes (which every congressman does on a daily basis) - he just knew some things about some actions in Florida before 9/11 that wouldnt look to good right now

[Lovelynice]

Osama is most likely a cab driver in New York City!

no, he's just long dead.

[Rtazmann]

If they could find Saddam in a little hole in the ground ,you can bet your ass Osama is dead.

[Bill Cosby]

no, he's just long dead.


What changes if he is live or dead???

He is a useful boogy man to keep sheeppl in line. If he goes there will be another to replace him before you can say uncle sam & click your heels together three times..........http://www.snarksmith.com/images/101406/goldstein.jpg

[Binky]

They aren't in bed with the terrorists, THEY ARE the terrorists. Family tradition of criminal behaviour going back decades to business dealings with the Nazis - during wartime - and probably earlier.

Thanks for the compliment. I am here by special request to enlighten you all
;)



Unfortunately, Bushs great grandpappy had dealings with the nazis ever so long ago. So anything that goes on nowadays does not surprise me.