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SortofLiberal
08-20-2010, 09:31 AM
I was watching Morning Joe this morning and found it amazing that a former Republican Congressman was pointing out the accomplishments of the Obama administration and trying to make people understand that a lot has been accomplished, but that Obama's mistake is not tooting his own horn. He went so far as to say it was like someone that created the greatest car in the whole world, but put it in the garage and didn't make people aware of it.

Then you go to the programs that are supposed to be people that would let people know about Obama's accomplishments like Rachael Maddow, Ed Shultz and Chris Matthews and instead of hearing them tell us about Obama's accomplishment, all you hear is them bitching because he has not shown enough interest in THEIR pet issue. How much attention do they think their pet issues are going to get if the Republicans get back in control of Congress or should I say get more in control of Congress since they have been in control with filibusters ever since the Dems lost their Super Majority.

No one is saying they should slant their reporting on this President, but is it really in their best interest or the best interest of anyone that thinks the liberal agenda is better for the country than the conservative agenda for them to rip the President on small issues instead of bringing his accomplishments on big issues to the public?

MintJulep
08-20-2010, 10:17 AM
Obama is not qualified for the job or equipped to govern. He isn't skilled nor likable and has completely polarized this nation.

You can blame everyone and their brother for the mess he has caused, but the buck stops with him.

Hawkeye2j
08-20-2010, 10:23 AM
Obama is not qualified for the job or equipped to govern. He isn't skilled nor likable and has completely polarized this nation.

You can blame everyone and their brother for the mess he has caused, but the buck stops with him.
Minty, sometime you are really out to lunch.

Bill Cosby
08-20-2010, 01:01 PM
I was watching Morning Joe this morning and found it amazing that a former Republican Congressman was pointing out the accomplishments of the Obama administration and trying to make people understand that a lot has been accomplished, but that Obama's mistake is not tooting his own horn. He went so far as to say it was like someone that created the greatest car in the whole world, but put it in the garage and didn't make people aware of it.

Then you go to the programs that are supposed to be people that would let people know about Obama's accomplishments like Rachael Maddow, Ed Shultz and Chris Matthews and instead of hearing them tell us about Obama's accomplishment, all you hear is them bitching because he has not shown enough interest in THEIR pet issue. How much attention do they think their pet issues are going to get if the Republicans get back in control of Congress or should I say get more in control of Congress since they have been in control with filibusters ever since the Dems lost their Super Majority.

No one is saying they should slant their reporting on this President, but is it really in their best interest or the best interest of anyone that thinks the liberal agenda is better for the country than the conservative agenda for them to rip the President on small issues instead of bringing his accomplishments on big issues to the public?

Is it their job to toot his horn?? TO showcase his accomplishments?? \

While on one hand ppl (both sides) complain the "media" is biased they none the less complain when they don't give them props......:banghead: Oye VAY!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe they just aint very impressed w/ his accomplishments........????

I could think of a few things they/I are not to impressed w/......

GITMO- Open for business, Spying on Americans still, end war in Iraq= 100,000 mercenaries & 50,000 troops renamed, bush's Afghani-NAM blunder getting the anti-Upped......... Hell he even rehired some of the loZers bush the lesser appointed...WTF???:banghead:

Moby
08-20-2010, 01:46 PM
Obama is not qualified for the job or equipped to govern. He isn't skilled nor likable and has completely polarized this nation.

You can blame everyone and their brother for the mess he has caused, but the buck stops with him.
He has polarized this nation?

I don't know where you were the past decade but the nation was polarized long before he was running for President.

MintJulep
08-20-2010, 01:55 PM
He has polarized this nation?

I don't know where you were the past decade but the nation was polarized long before he was running for President.The current state of polarization pales in comparison to the Bush years. In fact, there is a study that rated Obama the most polarizing President in history.

Bill Cosby
08-20-2010, 02:04 PM
The current state of polarization pales in comparison to the Bush years. In fact, there is a study that rated Obama the most polarizing President in history.

I would say that was the first johnson then perhaps nixon & the other johnson.....

MintJulep
08-20-2010, 02:12 PM
I would say that was the first johnson then perhaps nixon & the other johnson.....Johnson was ranked least polarizing in this study. Nixon is up there, but not in the top three. Obama is one.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/125345/obama-approval-polarized-first-year-president.aspx

Fulltimer
08-20-2010, 02:27 PM
Johnson was ranked least polarizing in this study. Nixon is up there, but not in the top three. Obama is one.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/125345/obama-approval-polarized-first-year-president.aspx

Obama is number one?

You are ignorant if you think the nation is more polarized today than during Lincoln's administration.

Is it even possible for you to discuss anything without your hate for Obama coloring it?



don

Bill Cosby
08-20-2010, 02:46 PM
Johnson was ranked least polarizing in this study. Nixon is up there, but not in the top three. Obama is one.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/125345/obama-approval-polarized-first-year-president.aspx

HHmmmm I am surprised johnson was not higher....

But the first johnson was universally hated by all.......

Hawkeye2j
08-20-2010, 02:58 PM
The current state of polarization pales in comparison to the Bush years. In fact, there is a study that rated Obama the most polarizing President in history.
Minty you just do not live in reality.

doctordog
08-20-2010, 05:32 PM
Minty you just do not live in reality.

Compared to you?:lmao2:

You are so far out of touch with reality that you are irrelevant.

olddude
08-20-2010, 06:19 PM
Minty, sometime you are really out to lunch.

Well what has this two bag POS ever done in his life that would ever give anybody a reason to believe he has credentials to even run a lemon aid stand?

Community organizer :lmao2:

MintJulep
08-20-2010, 06:21 PM
Community organizer :lmao2:Community agitator.

The one thing he excels at. See; Current state of the USA.

olddude
08-20-2010, 06:25 PM
Community agitator.

The one thing he excels at. See; Current state of the USA.

Yeah but it's all Bush's fault..........

AK Gandy
08-20-2010, 06:53 PM
Obama is not qualified for the job or equipped to govern. He isn't skilled nor likable and has completely polarized this nation.

And you're entitled to your own opinion.

A heck of a lot of people however, do not share it.

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AK Gandy
08-20-2010, 06:55 PM
The current state of polarization pales in comparison to the Bush years. In fact, there is a study that rated Obama the most polarizing President in history.


Obama was the "most polarizing POTUS ever" before he even was sworn in.....according to a lot of right-wing talking heads.

What do you attribute that to? ;)


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AK Gandy
08-20-2010, 06:56 PM
Yeah but it's all Bush's fault..........


Not all.

Just a lot.

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MintJulep
08-20-2010, 06:58 PM
And you're entitled to your own opinion.

A heck of a lot of people however, do not share it.

.I'd be willing to bet a lot more share it than disagree with it right now. ;)

He is definitely uniting democrats and repubs over this mosque thing.

AK Gandy
08-20-2010, 06:59 PM
I'd be willing to bet a lot more share it than disagree with it right now. ;)

He is definitely uniting democrats and repubs over this mosque thing.


You mean the 28% of Americans, who aren't even smart enough to know that it is a Constitutional right for them to build it there? :doh:

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MintJulep
08-20-2010, 07:18 PM
You mean the 28% of Americans, who aren't even smart enough to know that it is a Constitutional right for them to build it there? :doh:

.No, the 60+% who acknowledge their Constitutional right to build there, but oppose it on principle.

Hawkeye2j
08-20-2010, 07:44 PM
No, the 60+% who acknowledge their Constitutional right to build there, but oppose it on principle.
What principle is that? Even though you had nothing to do with the attack we are going to hang it on you anyway? Some principle.

Hawkeye2j
08-20-2010, 07:48 PM
To ban mosque is to subvert Constitution
By Roland S. Martin, CNN Contributor
August 20, 2010 1:16 p.m. EDT

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Roland Martin: America's rights being chipped away under guise of fighting war on terror
Protecting rights means upholding freedom of religion for all Americans, he writes
Martin says fear, hatred of Muslims behind opposition to the New York Islamic center
Even pain of 9/11 doesn't justify violating U.S. Constitution, Martin writes
Editor's note: Roland S. Martin, a CNN political analyst, is a syndicated columnist and author of "Listening to the Spirit Within: 50 Perspectives on Faith," and the new book, "The First: President Barack Obama's Road to the White House." He is a commentator for TV One Cable Network and host of a Sunday morning news show.
(CNN) -- "My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total. And I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction, of the Constitution."
Those eloquent words were spoken on July 25, 1974, by an outstanding woman and fellow Texan, Rep. Barbara Jordan, when she was a member of the House Judiciary Committee investigating the impeachment of President Richard Nixon.
And as I have listened and watched the stunning debate over the potential location of an Islamic community center and mosque two blocks away from where the World Trade Center towers were destroyed on September 11, 2001, Jordan's precise words keep coming to mind.
In the aftermath of the tragic 9/11 attacks, the refrain from many Americans was that it was critical for the United States to prevent the terrorists, al Qaeda, from taking away what we wrested from the British between 1775 and 1783 -- our independence and democracy.
Yet in our zeal to fight terrorism worldwide, we have chipped away at our precious rights, willing to surrender hard-fought civil liberties under the guise of protecting ourselves from terrorists at home and abroad. Today, we are a nation embroiled in a local zoning dispute over a plan for a 13-story Islamic cultural center that will house a mosque, theater and other amenities.
It has been inaccurately described as the "ground zero mosque," a ridiculous term considering it will be two blocks away from the site of the fallen World Trade Center towers.
What has been fascinating and demoralizing to watch is the clear and unmistakable religious bigotry that has taken over this conversation. Critics of the project contend that they are not trying to trample on our precious constitutional right of religious freedom by opposing the project. They contend that it is simply in bad taste to build it so close to ground zero, and that Americans are far too emotional about the issue.
Others words really come to mind. Irrational. Hysterical. Intolerant. Hypocritical.
Over the last several years, we have seen American troops shedding blood on the battlefields in Iraq and Afghanistan, fighting for American liberty and values. We hold ourselves up with self-righteousness as the paragon of democracy and freedom, yet we are quick to stifle the freedom of others we simply don't agree with.
A lot of the hateful rhetoric spewing out of talk radio, on blogs and on mainstream TV stems from a deep-seated mistrust, hatred and dislike of anyone practicing Islam.
In our politically correct way, we say we respect Muslims who aren't intent on launching a jihad, but the venom in the words of many reveals that isn't true. In a debate on CNN, James Carville talked about his Muslim friends being sickened by this attitude, only to see Bill Bennett then ask if those friends had publicly repudiated the Muslims involved in 9/11 and terrorism.
Is that what we've come to? We want to demand to see IDs of Hispanic-looking folks who might be here illegally, but we also want American Muslims to prove their patriotism by denouncing any and every crazed and deranged Muslim in the world who seeks to do us harm. Never mind that we have Muslims fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan; prove yourselves to be worthy Americans who are on "our side."
The pain and heartache that was created on 9/11 was unbearable for many. The nation was traumatized, shocked and paralyzed by the brazen acts caused by the bastards who swore allegiance, not to peace, but to a murderous man named Osama bin Laden and a loose-knit terror network named al Qaeda.
For some reason, Republicans have lost sight of the fact that even President George W. Bush made clear that America isn't at war with Islam. And clearly some Democrats are so afraid to stand up for the U.S. Constitution that they are about as weak as a wet sheet of paper.
Now instead of joining hands with fellow Americans, including Muslim Americans, our deep-seated hatred of Muslims is calling us to detest this community center and mosque.
As the drama has unfolded with rapid speed over the last several days, I've tried to understand how a nation so willing to pronounce our "American values" across the world could so easily forget that the early American settlers left nations to escape religious persecution. Our Founding Fathers could have easily created a national religion. But they had the foresight to allow this to be a land where anyone could choose, or not choose, to practice their religion freely.
Years ago while interning at the Houston Defender, I remember writing an editorial about a Texas ACLU lawyer and member of the NAACP defending a leader of the Ku Klux Klan, who was being ordered to turn over membership rolls of the group. No matter how much the attorney detested the KKK personally, he spoke of their rights being just as important as the NAACP's, and cited how efforts were made in the 1940s, '50s and '60s to force the NAACP to reveal their membership rolls.
Fighting to protect and uphold the U.S. Constitution even means defending those we can't stand. We cannot be so willing to exclude someone from the protection that that document affords.
Rep. Barbara Jordan also spoke to this issue in that tense hearing room on July 25, 1974.
"Earlier today, we heard the beginning of the Preamble to the Constitution of the United States: 'We, the people.' It's a very eloquent beginning," she said. "But when that document was completed on the 17th of September in 1787, I was not included in that 'We, the people.' I felt somehow for many years that George Washington and Alexander Hamilton just left me out by mistake. But through the process of amendment, interpretation and court decision, I have finally been included in 'We, the people.' "
Any American who claims to love this nation with all his or her heart should take the same view. No matter how raw our emotions have been rubbed; no matter how much anger we have for the despicable human beings who killed thousands of Americans on 9/11; none of us should be so angry and shameful that we trample the one document that has held this nation together all these years.
I am a believer in Jesus Christ; he is my personal lord and savior. I am an American who loves this country with all my heart and soul. But I also believe that the building of a Muslim community center near the World Trade Center site will not be an insult to the souls lost when those planes flew into the Twin Towers. It will not be a slap in the face to others traumatized by the events of that day. Allowing this project to go forward will show the best of America. It will mean that we not only love and respect our values, but we revere them to the point that we allow something to go forward even when other Americans disagree.
Even the pain of 9/11 isn't enough to turn our backs on the U.S. Constitution. That would simply be un-American.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/08/20/martin.mosque.constitution/index.html?hpt=C2

MintJulep
08-20-2010, 07:48 PM
What principle is that? Even though you had nothing to do with the attack we are going to hang it on you anyway? Some principle. Is that what Howard Dean is doing? Harry Reid? How about the rest of the state and local democrats who take the same position?

MintJulep
08-20-2010, 07:49 PM
To ban mosque is to subvert Constitution
By Roland S. Martin, CNN Contributor
August 20, 2010 1:16 p.m. EDT

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Roland Martin: America's rights being chipped away under guise of fighting war on terror
Protecting rights means upholding freedom of religion for all Americans, he writes
Martin says fear, hatred of Muslims behind opposition to the New York Islamic center
Even pain of 9/11 doesn't justify violating U.S. Constitution, Martin writes
Editor's note: Roland S. Martin, a CNN political analyst, is a syndicated columnist and author of "Listening to the Spirit Within: 50 Perspectives on Faith," and the new book, "The First: President Barack Obama's Road to the White House." He is a commentator for TV One Cable Network and host of a Sunday morning news show.
(CNN) -- "My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total. And I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction, of the Constitution."
Those eloquent words were spoken on July 25, 1974, by an outstanding woman and fellow Texan, Rep. Barbara Jordan, when she was a member of the House Judiciary Committee investigating the impeachment of President Richard Nixon.
And as I have listened and watched the stunning debate over the potential location of an Islamic community center and mosque two blocks away from where the World Trade Center towers were destroyed on September 11, 2001, Jordan's precise words keep coming to mind.
In the aftermath of the tragic 9/11 attacks, the refrain from many Americans was that it was critical for the United States to prevent the terrorists, al Qaeda, from taking away what we wrested from the British between 1775 and 1783 -- our independence and democracy.
Yet in our zeal to fight terrorism worldwide, we have chipped away at our precious rights, willing to surrender hard-fought civil liberties under the guise of protecting ourselves from terrorists at home and abroad. Today, we are a nation embroiled in a local zoning dispute over a plan for a 13-story Islamic cultural center that will house a mosque, theater and other amenities.
It has been inaccurately described as the "ground zero mosque," a ridiculous term considering it will be two blocks away from the site of the fallen World Trade Center towers.
What has been fascinating and demoralizing to watch is the clear and unmistakable religious bigotry that has taken over this conversation. Critics of the project contend that they are not trying to trample on our precious constitutional right of religious freedom by opposing the project. They contend that it is simply in bad taste to build it so close to ground zero, and that Americans are far too emotional about the issue.
Others words really come to mind. Irrational. Hysterical. Intolerant. Hypocritical.
Over the last several years, we have seen American troops shedding blood on the battlefields in Iraq and Afghanistan, fighting for American liberty and values. We hold ourselves up with self-righteousness as the paragon of democracy and freedom, yet we are quick to stifle the freedom of others we simply don't agree with.
A lot of the hateful rhetoric spewing out of talk radio, on blogs and on mainstream TV stems from a deep-seated mistrust, hatred and dislike of anyone practicing Islam.
In our politically correct way, we say we respect Muslims who aren't intent on launching a jihad, but the venom in the words of many reveals that isn't true. In a debate on CNN, James Carville talked about his Muslim friends being sickened by this attitude, only to see Bill Bennett then ask if those friends had publicly repudiated the Muslims involved in 9/11 and terrorism.
Is that what we've come to? We want to demand to see IDs of Hispanic-looking folks who might be here illegally, but we also want American Muslims to prove their patriotism by denouncing any and every crazed and deranged Muslim in the world who seeks to do us harm. Never mind that we have Muslims fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan; prove yourselves to be worthy Americans who are on "our side."
The pain and heartache that was created on 9/11 was unbearable for many. The nation was traumatized, shocked and paralyzed by the brazen acts caused by the bastards who swore allegiance, not to peace, but to a murderous man named Osama bin Laden and a loose-knit terror network named al Qaeda.
For some reason, Republicans have lost sight of the fact that even President George W. Bush made clear that America isn't at war with Islam. And clearly some Democrats are so afraid to stand up for the U.S. Constitution that they are about as weak as a wet sheet of paper.
Now instead of joining hands with fellow Americans, including Muslim Americans, our deep-seated hatred of Muslims is calling us to detest this community center and mosque.
As the drama has unfolded with rapid speed over the last several days, I've tried to understand how a nation so willing to pronounce our "American values" across the world could so easily forget that the early American settlers left nations to escape religious persecution. Our Founding Fathers could have easily created a national religion. But they had the foresight to allow this to be a land where anyone could choose, or not choose, to practice their religion freely.
Years ago while interning at the Houston Defender, I remember writing an editorial about a Texas ACLU lawyer and member of the NAACP defending a leader of the Ku Klux Klan, who was being ordered to turn over membership rolls of the group. No matter how much the attorney detested the KKK personally, he spoke of their rights being just as important as the NAACP's, and cited how efforts were made in the 1940s, '50s and '60s to force the NAACP to reveal their membership rolls.
Fighting to protect and uphold the U.S. Constitution even means defending those we can't stand. We cannot be so willing to exclude someone from the protection that that document affords.
Rep. Barbara Jordan also spoke to this issue in that tense hearing room on July 25, 1974.
"Earlier today, we heard the beginning of the Preamble to the Constitution of the United States: 'We, the people.' It's a very eloquent beginning," she said. "But when that document was completed on the 17th of September in 1787, I was not included in that 'We, the people.' I felt somehow for many years that George Washington and Alexander Hamilton just left me out by mistake. But through the process of amendment, interpretation and court decision, I have finally been included in 'We, the people.' "
Any American who claims to love this nation with all his or her heart should take the same view. No matter how raw our emotions have been rubbed; no matter how much anger we have for the despicable human beings who killed thousands of Americans on 9/11; none of us should be so angry and shameful that we trample the one document that has held this nation together all these years.
I am a believer in Jesus Christ; he is my personal lord and savior. I am an American who loves this country with all my heart and soul. But I also believe that the building of a Muslim community center near the World Trade Center site will not be an insult to the souls lost when those planes flew into the Twin Towers. It will not be a slap in the face to others traumatized by the events of that day. Allowing this project to go forward will show the best of America. It will mean that we not only love and respect our values, but we revere them to the point that we allow something to go forward even when other Americans disagree.
Even the pain of 9/11 isn't enough to turn our backs on the U.S. Constitution. That would simply be un-American.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/08/20/martin.mosque.constitution/index.html?hpt=C2Who is trying to ban the mosque?

Hawkeye2j
08-20-2010, 07:54 PM
Who is trying to ban the mosque?
Read what is typed in red.

MintJulep
08-20-2010, 08:09 PM
Read what is typed in red.I did. It doesn't mention anyone has tried to ban the mosque. If the author doesn't like citizens expressing their opinion, perhaps he should move to a country which doesn't allow freedom of expression.

Hawkeye2j
08-20-2010, 08:39 PM
I did. It doesn't mention anyone has tried to ban the mosque. If the author doesn't like citizens expressing their opinion, perhaps he should move to a country which doesn't allow freedom of expression.
You are having trouble with reading comprehension again. It addresses your point in the red.

olddude
08-21-2010, 10:03 AM
What principle is that? Even though you had nothing to do with the attack we are going to hang it on you anyway? Some principle.

Nawh......People were asleep at the wheel when obungo was talking while he was running for pres. They just didn't hear what he was saying and what he was planing for them. The demoCrit's constant bash job on Bush from day one and with help of the liberal media all the people knew was Bush bad...obungo good and didn't hear anything else.

Well things have changed, they got the wool pulled over their eyes when they drank the obungocide koolaid and didn't pay any attention to what he was saying. It didn't take them long to figure out that they had been fucked and obungo didn't even use no grease. That ain't about to happen again.

They are wide awake now and they have looked and listened to what this radical bastard that wants to put this symbol of accomplishment right where his friends and fellow radical muslim brothers brought this country to it's knees. No good can come from these people putting this mosque where they want to put it only more division and hatred will come from this and that is what they want. They plan on using our constitution and our kindness against us the same way the millions of illegals that have invaded our country have.

The people are wide awake now. The koolaid has worn off and they are taking notes and are going to kick ass real soon...........Coming to a polling place near you soon.

MintJulep
08-21-2010, 10:19 AM
The people are wide awake now. The koolaid has worn off and they are taking notes and are going to kick ass real soon...........Coming to a polling place near you soon.Oh yeah. :lmao2:

olddude
08-21-2010, 10:20 AM
Read what is typed in red.

I did manage to read that crap and got through it without having to puke but once. You know spin is a wonderful thing sometimes. Everybody uses spin to get their point across and make their ideas more appealing than the next guys but I gotta say this, where he is good at making his story sound like there is no way any one could disagree with his view, it falls short.

while I was puking I came out of my trance and got to thinking for myself. I read his argument that the mosque is not even near where the WTC was and that it was over two blocks away from the site. Sounds good on paper but only if you forget about why the building is unfit for habitation right now in the first place. He didn't mention that in his piece, I guess not because of all of the spinning going on. Part of that building was damaged from falling debris and wreckage caused by his fellow muslim brothers and would be a fitting place for these radical bastages to call home.

This doesn't have a thing to do with the constitution it is about right and wrong, about good and evil, it's as simple as that.

MintJulep
08-21-2010, 10:27 AM
The fact this building was hit and damaged by the landing gear on 9/11 makes it part of Ground Zero, and collateral damage.

Hawkeye2j
08-21-2010, 11:04 AM
The fact this building was hit and damaged by the landing gear on 9/11 makes it part of Ground Zero, and collateral damage.
My what a stretching of logic you do. No it doesn't make it part of Ground Zero as debris hit miles away.

And Old Dude these people did not attack on 9/11. And neither of you ever answered my question. Are you ready to buy up their property so they can purchase another site? Do you think they are made of money? This is the property they own.

Maybe the next time you build a house I should gather hundreds of people to protest about you moving there because what you stand for offends me.

Parade Rain
08-21-2010, 11:15 AM
My what a stretching of logic you do. No it doesn't make it part of Ground Zero as debris hit miles away.

And Old Dude these people did not attack on 9/11. And neither of you ever answered my question. Are you ready to buy up their property so they can purchase another site? Do you think they are made of money? This is the property they own.

Maybe the next time you build a house I should gather hundreds of people to protest about you moving there because what you stand for offends me.

The only reason this continues to be an issue is because reasonable people continue to give these whiners any further consideration. They keep screeching that they're not trying to usurp the constitutional rights of the mosque-builder, that they're just exercising their own free speech rights.

Well, let them. Let them screech, whine, moan, scream and cry about "sensitivity" all they want, while the rest of us move forward and onward.

nondual
08-21-2010, 12:02 PM
He isn't skilled nor likable and has completely polarized this nation.
Those are completely unfounded statements. Have you been listening to Dan Quayle Jr lately, because you sound like him? Like a six year old.

nondual
08-21-2010, 12:04 PM
He has polarized this nation?

I don't know where you were the past decade but the nation was polarized long before he was running for President.
Race baiters are the ones polarizing this nation, no one else.

olddude
08-21-2010, 12:05 PM
The only reason this continues to be an issue is because reasonable people continue to give these whiners any further consideration. They keep screeching that they're not trying to usurp the constitutional rights of the mosque-builder, that they're just exercising their own free speech rights.

Well, let them. Let them screech, whine, moan, scream and cry about "sensitivity" all they want, while the rest of us move forward and onward.

LOOKOUT!! there is a road block up ahead.:lmao2:

Parade Rain
08-21-2010, 12:07 PM
LOOKOUT!! there is a road block up ahead.:lmao2:

What's that, olddude? Planning to put an obstacle in the way of progress? How Christian of you. :D

Mike D.
08-21-2010, 12:13 PM
What's that, olddude? Planning to put an obstacle in the way of progress? How Christian of you. :D

Leading the US off a cliff isn't really "progress."

Parade Rain
08-21-2010, 12:17 PM
Leading the US off a cliff isn't really "progress."

Yawn. Get some new material.

Mike D.
08-21-2010, 12:34 PM
Yawn. Get some new material.

Sorry if you're bored by those of us who actually give a shit about this country.

Parade Rain
08-21-2010, 12:37 PM
Sorry if you're bored by those of us who actually give a shit about this country.

I'm bored by the two-dimensional arguments by the lockstep bigots. Sorry.

Mike D.
08-21-2010, 12:45 PM
I'm bored by the two-dimensional arguments by the lockstep bigots. Sorry.

Your inability or unwillingness to objectively assess realistic and valid counter-arguments to what amounts to a worn-out, cliche, naive, and cookie-cutter political ideology riddled with ridiculous, childish, and flat-out stupid cat-calls of "racism" and "bigot" cannot be blamed on those making the counter-argument.

High-school mentalities are nothing new. Idealistic pipe-dream liberalism is about as one-dimensional as a gray, dried-up dog turd... and so are the majority of its adherents' knee-jerk tactics.

Parade Rain
08-21-2010, 12:46 PM
Your inability or unwillingness to objectively assess realistic and valid counter-arguments to what amounts to a worn-out, cliche, naive, and cookie-cutter political ideology riddled with ridiculous, childish, and flat-out stupid cat-calls of "racism" and "bigot" cannot be blamed on those making the counter-argument.

High-school mentalities are nothing new. Idealistic pipe-dream liberalism is about as one-dimensional as a gray, dried-up dog turd... and so are the majority of its adherents' knee-jerk tactics.

Blah, blah, blah...not even worth reading. Next...