NYC Mosque will be Sharia Law teaching center

[Trinnity]

* Let's not let our openness and tolerance be the cause of the end of Liberty *

I have heard this, this morning on a Durham, NC talk radio show, and I have not yet found a citation to back it up, BUT allegedly, the NYC proposed Mosque will be a Sharia Law teaching center. There are not that many in the US yet. The encroachment of Sharia Law compliance in the USA is a tenet of "soft Jihad".

You know, the more ya learn about this Mosque/community center, the worse it stinks.

We all have a stake in it. Liberals and conservatives alike must be alarmed by the subjugation - defacto slavery of women imposed by Sharia, and the threat to freedom and Liberty.
Sharia law permits and encourages "honor killings" of women.
Is that what we want to be acceptable in America?

Would the members please keep a look out for info on this. Thanks.
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[FredK]

I'm scared now. Not.

[Trinnity]

I'm scared now. Not.I understand.
They count on Americans NOT taking it seriously.

[thecatskinner]

I don't believe I have ever seen any center of worship--of any denomination that did not teach "Church law".

As a young Mennonite about to marry a Catholic girl I was blessed with a teacher who guided me through my conversion masterfully. He was both a Franciscan friar and cannon lawyer.

Latter I taught for many years canonical law to high school students (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Canonical+law) within the context of Catechism. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catechism)

None of that is unusual or subversive ----rather these are things that go on every day within practically every religion.

I find it terribly sad what some people manage to conger up in the name of fear management. Ignorance is a dangerous thing.

[AK Gandy]

I find it terribly sad what some people manage to conger up in the name of fear management. Ignorance is a dangerous thing.
Got that right Dave. :thumbsup:

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[Hawkeye2j]

This is more of the throw the shit against the wall and see what sticks.

[AK Gandy]

This is more of the throw the shit against the wall and see what sticks.

It's also the perfect example of some observations made, in another recent thread. :rolleyes:
DO you mean overly emotional and outraged at anything they find in the Neoconservative media that's supposed to make them outraged? :)
Yeah..............that's it. :thumbsup:

Cept you left out............'really gullible.' :lmao2:
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[MintJulep]

* Let's not let our openness and tolerance be the cause of the end of Liberty *

I have heard this, this morning on a Durham, NC talk radio show, and I have not yet found a citation to back it up, BUT allegedly, the NYC proposed Mosque will be a Sharia Law teaching center. There are not that many in the US yet. The encroachment of Sharia Law compliance in the USA is a tenet of "soft Jihad".

You know, the more ya learn about this Mosque/community center, the worse it stinks.

We all have a stake in it. Liberals and conservatives alike must be alarmed by the subjugation - defacto slavery of women imposed by Sharia, and the threat to freedom and Liberty.
Sharia law permits and encourages "honor killings" of women.
Is that what we want to be acceptable in America?

Would the members please keep a look out for info on this. Thanks.
__________________I'm not worried about this because they are vastly outnumbered. Were we in a situation like Israel, they would be setting off bombs here everyday, but that's hardly the case. If someone attempted to install Shariah Law here, the masses would be revolt like nothing we've ever seen before.

[MintJulep]

I don't believe I have ever seen any center of worship--of any denomination that did not teach "Church law".

As a young Mennonite about to marry a Catholic girl I was blessed with a teacher who guided me through my conversion masterfully. He was both a Franciscan friar and cannon lawyer.

Latter I taught for many years canonical law to high school students (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Canonical+law) within the context of Catechism. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catechism)

None of that is unusual or subversive ----rather these are things that go on every day within practically every religion.

I find it terribly sad what some people manage to conger up in the name of fear management. Ignorance is a dangerous thing.What does any of that have to do with Shariah Law?

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/08/2010816171115397111.html

[thecatskinner]

I believe this method finds effectiveness through more than ignorance. I believe it is further fertilized by basic mental laziness --people simply accept (even adopt) what someone--often some entertainment talking head--says as being accurate. Despite the fact that if they were to do even the least bit of reflection most would not pass the test of reasonableness.

Add to that--"if it fits my paradigms"---I'm good to go:banghead:

As to the Sharia law question---that is self evident--think about it.

[MintJulep]

I believe this method finds effectiveness through more than ignorance. I believe it is further fertilized by basic mental laziness --people simply accept (even adopt) what someone--often some entertainment talking head--says as being accurate. Despite the fact that if they were to do even the least bit of reflection most would not pass the test of reasonableness.

Add to that--"if it fits my paradigms"---I'm good to go:banghead:

As to the Sharia law question---that is self evident--think about it.??

Shariah law exists and is enforced, and Islam abides by law straight out of the year 1400. To claim it is no different than Catholicism is ridiculous on its face.

[Moby]

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Shariah law exists and is enforced, and Islam abides by law straight out of the year 1400. To claim it is no different than Catholicism is ridiculous on its face.
Doesn't every religion have the same right in the USA to teach their own followers?

[MintJulep]

Doesn't every religion have the same right in the USA to teach their own followers?Absolutely. Have I ever indicated otherwise? They don't have a right to their own laws though.

[thecatskinner]

They have every right to their own "laws"--up to the point were those "laws" are in conflict with the laws of our government.

In this country those "laws" are no more than church precepts--not law.

There are a lot of points in cannon law that do not align with civil law--that does not mean we do not teach cannon law or even those points.

[MintJulep]

They have every right to their own "laws"--up to the point were those "laws" are in conflict with the laws of our government.That is correct.

Stoning someone to death, hanging or decapitation is a felony punishable by law.

[olddude]

I don't believe I have ever seen any center of worship--of any denomination that did not teach "Church law".

As a young Mennonite about to marry a Catholic girl I was blessed with a teacher who guided me through my conversion masterfully. He was both a Franciscan friar and cannon lawyer.

Latter I taught for many years canonical law to high school students (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Canonical+law) within the context of Catechism. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catechism)

None of that is unusual or subversive ----rather these are things that go on every day within practically every religion.

I find it terribly sad what some people manage to conger up in the name of fear management. Ignorance is a dangerous thing.

I hear you and being a Christian male that tries to follow the golden rule and a firm believer of the constitution I have a problem with this also. Having said that there is no other major religion that I know of that still preaches the need to kill another human being in the name of their god.

Now before all of you start your rants about the Crusades, or how God turned people into pillars of salt for something as simple as just a quick glance back at the burning city that he had just burned up because of the homo's that played there, let me remind you that things have changed a lot since then. The difference is that we are no longer in a binding contract with our God the way we were before our Lord and Savior was born into this earth.

Our religion as with most other civilized religions have evolved over the years unlike what the koran still teaches today. There are some in this Muslim faith that still preach and truly believe in the primitive teachings of this faith and they have plans to bring these teachings home to us here in the good ol United States to a city near you.

They plan on doing it using our own constitution as a tool to get a foot hold and as a spring board to spread this hate and misery to our neighborhoods all across our country. Never mind that what they teach is against our constitution but we are not supposed to see that far into the future. But once it does gets firmly rooted it will spread the same way it has all over the world when it is allowed to grow and what follows is a path of death and misery.

No one I know of is against the muslim religion in general it's the hidden parts of this faith that are so dangerous. There are over 100 mosques in NY City alone so one would gather that most people don't have a problem with the muslim faith there so why all the fuss about this one particular place?

Some people look at the past and what people say as a guide for them to get a picture of what these people are all about. In history this man with plans to build this community center/mosque/shrine/ has never said or done anything that would lead any normal thinking person to believe he has the good of the normal muslim faith or the good of the people of NY at heart here.

I look at the big picture and yes my general outlook at the muslim faith may be a little clouded by the fact that so many people died needlessly just a couple blocks away from this site. But more than that I look at what has happened in so many places all over the world where other terrorist attacks have happened and later on large shrines have been built as a marker of their accomplishments.

Some here are so blinded by their hate for anything people with right leaning or conservative values believe in that they will steadfastly oppose anything that even remotely resembles common sense just to make a stand. That is what has happened to our political arena and as politics has always been a nasty business there was a gentleman's agreement that after the vote they went to work. Now it is more like the days of the Romans when they would throw their opponents to the lions. Somewhere the politicians have turned the tables and created this we against them type atmosphere where we are dangerously close to again taking up arms against each other.

Some blame FDR, some Ronald Reagan, then there was Slick, Bush and now obungo. None of these guys are at fault, they were elected to do a job and they had 4 years or 8 depending on what happened. The real problem is the people that we send to congress. They are the ones that have turned brother against brother and neighbor against neighbor. The difference between the president being able to inflict less damage as opposed to the people in congress is the amount of time they are allowed to pillage the nation. It was never envisioned by our founders for a man to go to washington and spend his entire life there.

I only bring this up to point out where my beliefs are and how we have gotten to the point we are at and why so many cannot see the potential danger here. Nothing this dude has said leads me to believe his intentions are pure and there are a lot of unanswered questions left to be answered before I would feel comfortable with this plan. But what do I know, I'm just an over the hill, white Christian male with no reason to live other than to use up oxygen before some liberal get's it.

[nondual]

Republicans want to send our children supposedly to fight for Muslims' rights in the Middle East, but want to deny Muslims their rights here at home. :crazzy:

Ground Zero for Tolerance
Wednesday 18 August 2010
by: Robert Scheer | Truthdig

Are the Republicans terminally stupid, or are they just playing the dangerous fool? In either case, the irrational attack on Muslims everywhere by the GOP's leadership is not only deeply subversive with regard to the American ideal of religious tolerance but also poses a profound threat to our national security. Nor does it help that some top Democrats, like Harry Reid, are willing to demean Muslims even as we fight two wars in which victory depends on our ability to convey a respect for their religion.

http://www.truth-out.org/robert-scheer-ground-zero-tolerance62426

[Parade Rain]

Karl Rove: Look, we've got a free -- in that same First Amendment, there is a right of freedom of speech. Who believes that, say, skinheads should show up at a black sorority convention and scream bigoted remarks? Who believes that there is a right of freedom of assembly? Who believes, you know, that neo-Nazis should show up at the B'nai B'rith hotel and have their meeting in the same, you know, the next meeting room?

There are rights that everyone has that it would be prudent not to exercise them at certain times, and this right that they have to build a religious building where they want should be prudently exercised elsewhere.

It does seem that Rove doesn't actually believe there is freedom of assembly. In point of fact, we do allow neo-Nazis to hold rallies in racially inflamed communities, just as we allow the Fred Phelpses of the world to show up at the funerals of soldiers.

But it tells us everything we need to know about the right-wing perspective on this that he would blithely compare Muslims practicing their religion peacefully to neo-Nazis and skinheads -- as though they're moral equivalents.

Read the whole thing here:
http://crooksandliars.com/node/39100